ASTRA VXR!!! :(
16 May 2010, 08:31 PM
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16 May 2010, 08:33 PM
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Loads out there 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl74O...ext=1&index=58
Not sure who won in this one but the vxr was reeling in the scoob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfzAdlNgvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ-_F_rAPzU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGkU4uxyGsc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl74O...ext=1&index=58
Not sure who won in this one but the vxr was reeling in the scoob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlfzAdlNgvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ-_F_rAPzU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGkU4uxyGsc&NR=1
16 May 2010, 10:08 PM
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All this tosh about vectra vxr's being quicker than a sti once rolling 
Don't get me wrong they are nice comfy motorway cars i have even considered one for my commute but in no way can they compete with a mildy fettled sti once rolling. Who is the chap whos stating that once mapped they are monsters
Heres one little clip i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0FIyuow7E
Don't get me wrong they are nice comfy motorway cars i have even considered one for my commute but in no way can they compete with a mildy fettled sti once rolling. Who is the chap whos stating that once mapped they are monsters
Heres one little clip i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0FIyuow7E
Why is it so difficult to understand ?? A remapped Vectra produces 300bhp and 400 lbs/ft Torque and is only margionally heavier than a Hawkeye STI plus it's got no 4WD so transmission loss to deal with - in addition to that the Vectra has a twin scroll turbo which means minimizes lag some what. The Vectra I have now is as quick through the gears if not quicker than the STI with PPP that I have just sold, and that was running a proven 316/335 - plus top end they dont suffer from 4WD loss so it's just going to keep pulling away.
A standing start will always see the Vectra blitzed and no one has debated that - and add wet weather or country roads and the STI will quite honestly **** all over the Vectra all day long, but for god sake there are occasions when the STI will be beaten even by a Vauxhall
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16 May 2010, 10:10 PM
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Clarkson on the VXR 'there is only one way to describe this car ... begins in s and ends in t .... and it isn't soot' '....This has got to be the worst chassis I have ever come across...'
Lol at the under steer.
Lol at the under steer.
Handeling isn't in the same leauge as the Impreza, but it's not as bad as Clarkson made out.
16 May 2010, 10:16 PM
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As previously noted - fuse was removed to switch off the traction control. What they didnt realise is that the IDS dampening and other suspension controls are managed through this fuse as well.
Handeling isn't in the same leauge as the Impreza, but it's not as bad as Clarkson made out.
Handeling isn't in the same leauge as the Impreza, but it's not as bad as Clarkson made out.
16 May 2010, 10:31 PM
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I wonder if other car forums react so badly when their marque is beaten by another. 
FFS there are always quicker/faster cars out there and Subaru do not make the world's fastest cars, Impreza's are good point to point cars but in a straight line 4WD counts for very little except for the initial pulloff.
When I am out on the road in my Impreza I always let the morons who want to race me just pass me, I have nothing to prove and it no doubt gives them a boner to think they 'beat' an Impreza.
There is a place for racing and it's called Mid Wales.
FFS there are always quicker/faster cars out there and Subaru do not make the world's fastest cars, Impreza's are good point to point cars but in a straight line 4WD counts for very little except for the initial pulloff.
When I am out on the road in my Impreza I always let the morons who want to race me just pass me, I have nothing to prove and it no doubt gives them a boner to think they 'beat' an Impreza.
There is a place for racing and it's called Mid Wales.
16 May 2010, 10:34 PM
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OMFG - Do yourself a favour and get your blinkers off for god sake my friend.
Why is it so difficult to understand ?? A remapped Vectra produces 300bhp and 400 lbs/ft Torque and is only margionally heavier than a Hawkeye STI plus it's got no 4WD so transmission loss to deal with - in addition to that the Vectra has a twin scroll turbo which means minimizes lag some what. The Vectra I have now is as quick through the gears if not quicker and once over 120mph is just going to keep pulling away.
A standing start will always see the Vectra blitzed and no one has debated that - and add wet weather or country roads and the STI will quite honestly **** all over the Vectra all day long, but for god sake there are occasions when the STI will be beaten even by a Vauxhall
Why is it so difficult to understand ?? A remapped Vectra produces 300bhp and 400 lbs/ft Torque and is only margionally heavier than a Hawkeye STI plus it's got no 4WD so transmission loss to deal with - in addition to that the Vectra has a twin scroll turbo which means minimizes lag some what. The Vectra I have now is as quick through the gears if not quicker and once over 120mph is just going to keep pulling away.
A standing start will always see the Vectra blitzed and no one has debated that - and add wet weather or country roads and the STI will quite honestly **** all over the Vectra all day long, but for god sake there are occasions when the STI will be beaten even by a Vauxhall
16 May 2010, 10:41 PM
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I think it is you who has the blinkers on, I have had vauxhalls of all various guises in the past only one I haven't had the luck of having is the vxr, you are trying to justify your new car on here with your own blinkers on. Where are you based as I would happily take you out in a wrx and you can have your rolling start and see the outcome.
ffs i strugle with under 200bhp puting it down in 1st and second in a FWD Diesel
Had a properly tuned Escort mk4 with 400bhp and it was total ****, all gears appart from 4th and 5th had to be used on part throttle otherwise you just got tyre smoke (ATB diff, seam welded, koni suspension, 225 yoko's) fwd just cant cope with that power
And how does LAG affect it, sorry but if you can drive properly the only time you get any lag is on initial pull away, its not hard to change gear quickly so you dont get lag, guessing at about 0.5 - 1 second tops to go from one gear to the next does not realy give the turbo chance to spin down?
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16 May 2010, 10:48 PM
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I think it is you who has the blinkers on, I have had vauxhalls of all various guises in the past only one I haven't had the luck of having is the vxr, you are trying to justify your new car on here with your own blinkers on. Where are you based as I would happily take you out in a wrx and you can have your rolling start and see the outcome.
Got to agree with this man, there is no way in the worl the veccy can put all that power down flat out in 1st 2nd 3rd & maybe even 4th will result in it loosing traction, its just not going to happen,
ffs i strugle with under 200bhp puting it down in 1st and second in a FWD Diesel
Had a properly tuned Escort mk4 with 400bhp and it was total ****, all gears appart from 4th and 5th had to be used on part throttle otherwise you just got tyre smoke (ATB diff, seam welded, koni suspension, 225 yoko's) fwd just cant cope with that power
ffs i strugle with under 200bhp puting it down in 1st and second in a FWD Diesel
Had a properly tuned Escort mk4 with 400bhp and it was total ****, all gears appart from 4th and 5th had to be used on part throttle otherwise you just got tyre smoke (ATB diff, seam welded, koni suspension, 225 yoko's) fwd just cant cope with that power
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16 May 2010, 10:50 PM
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and.... Who gives a **** that it will start to pull away after 120mph? its licence loosing speed anyway and it makes you a bit of a *** racing on the roads over those speeds!
by the time you get to 100mph any 4wd vs 2wd race with each car having 400 bhp will have been won, probably with the 4wd car being a good 50 yards infront thanks to grip
by the time you get to 100mph any 4wd vs 2wd race with each car having 400 bhp will have been won, probably with the 4wd car being a good 50 yards infront thanks to grip
16 May 2010, 10:53 PM
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and.... Who gives a **** that it will start to pull away after 120mph? its licence loosing speed anyway and it makes you a bit of a *** racing on the roads over those speeds!
by the time you get to 100mph any 4wd vs 2wd race with each car having 400 bhp will have been won, probably with the 4wd car being a good 50 yards infront thanks to grip
by the time you get to 100mph any 4wd vs 2wd race with each car having 400 bhp will have been won, probably with the 4wd car being a good 50 yards infront thanks to grip
16 May 2010, 10:55 PM
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Quite obvious you've not been in a Vectra VXR - because frankly you dont have a clue.
Of course traction is an issue which is why all of the comments made are about rolling performance not standing starts. The VXR chassis on the Vectra isn't actually as bad as people think and it's capable of getting power down fine from 3rd onwards, granted 2nd does light up the traction control light some what but it's getting power down towards the top of 2nd early part of the 3rd gear.
Of course traction is an issue which is why all of the comments made are about rolling performance not standing starts. The VXR chassis on the Vectra isn't actually as bad as people think and it's capable of getting power down fine from 3rd onwards, granted 2nd does light up the traction control light some what but it's getting power down towards the top of 2nd early part of the 3rd gear.
16 May 2010, 10:59 PM
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310 bhp in fwd (a very well set up car to) keep a eye on the wheel spin even in 4th
Escort weighs in at a tad under one ton evo is 1.6 so the power to weigh is there just not the grip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHvLOZh9v4
And before you say it.... i dont think scoobys are the ****, i actuly think they are a bit ****! but 4wd and a turbo gives fun and lots of it for the money, would have a evo anyday over the scooby but would NEVER buy another fwd car for fun in my life!
Escort weighs in at a tad under one ton evo is 1.6 so the power to weigh is there just not the grip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHvLOZh9v4
And before you say it.... i dont think scoobys are the ****, i actuly think they are a bit ****! but 4wd and a turbo gives fun and lots of it for the money, would have a evo anyday over the scooby but would NEVER buy another fwd car for fun in my life!
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16 May 2010, 11:08 PM
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SHOULD have got a RWD instead of a **** box,
16 May 2010, 11:10 PM
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yep rwd not quite as good as 4wd but you can get a hell of a lot more power down through the rear than you can the front, and yes i would by a vauxhall, but only a monaro as its the only proper car they have ever made
16 May 2010, 11:16 PM
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LOL would like to see a copper take you to court for "pulling away fast" along side another car they have to prove the intention to race from both drivers to get a conviction bit of a grey area only resulting in a conviction if your thick enough to tell the copper you were racing each other
16 May 2010, 11:21 PM
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16 May 2010, 11:28 PM
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Do everyone a favour and hop over to the lancerregister and tell them how quick the vec is give them a little bait, maybe get your eyes a little more 'opened' there.
16 May 2010, 11:30 PM
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LOL would like to see a copper take you to court for "pulling away fast" along side another car they have to prove the intention to race from both drivers to get a conviction bit of a grey area only resulting in a conviction if your thick enough to tell the copper you were racing each other
16 May 2010, 11:35 PM
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Have you any idea what you're arguing about?
I'd like to know where you get your info from, and especially know why adam thinks a vectra and a sti both running 400bhp would result in the sti being 50 yards in front by 100mph and a race being won? are we talking drag racing? or just racing to the Subaru's strengths?
16 May 2010, 11:36 PM
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2 cars can pull away of the lights flat out up to the speed limit just like one can on its own, as long as the driver is in control of the vehicle no offence has happend
And yes been there seen it done it & gone to court still got a clean licence from the day i passed my test