Deliberately losing the election?
26 February 2010, 02:52 PM
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It's a sad case, isn't it?
You would have thought the Tories would be way ahead in every poll going .... the fact that they are not is a disgrace to them.
The public simply do not trust the Tories ... they remember the mess last time ... they remember the hospital waiting lists - they rememeber their gran suffering on a trolley in the corridor because some rich git wanted more money and lower taxes
You would have thought the Tories would be way ahead in every poll going .... the fact that they are not is a disgrace to them.
The public simply do not trust the Tories ... they remember the mess last time ... they remember the hospital waiting lists - they rememeber their gran suffering on a trolley in the corridor because some rich git wanted more money and lower taxes
26 February 2010, 08:36 PM
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I go much simpler, the UK public do not have any confidence in any of the politicians. Apathy has set in and Federalism is the only solution to meet local issues.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
26 February 2010, 08:47 PM
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I go much simpler, the UK public do not have any confidence in any of the politicians. Apathy has set in and Federalism is the only solution to meet local issues.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
26 February 2010, 08:51 PM
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I go much simpler, the UK public do not have any confidence in any of the politicians. Apathy has set in and Federalism is the only solution to meet local issues.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
I have stated it once and I state it again political parties should be banned. They all are to blame for the total lack of honesty and stifle true debate resulting in the correct decision being made in the interest of the general public. Political parties by their very makeup and how they work stifle individual opinion of their members of parliement.
I want to hear each proposed candidate opinion on subjects not how not to answer it or how to avoid answering it or political correctness ruling the day. We have a lot of major problems touched on above posts like NHS, Immigration, Tax, etc. What we will not get this GE is true debate on any of it just what each candidate is told to say or follow by their party guidelines or manifesto. So wake me up when it is over please.
We need more honesty and realism all round IMO
27 February 2010, 09:21 AM
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+1 - spot on mate
27 February 2010, 05:22 PM
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It's a sad case, isn't it?
You would have thought the Tories would be way ahead in every poll going .... the fact that they are not is a disgrace to them.
The public simply do not trust the Tories ... they remember the mess last time ... they remember the hospital waiting lists - they rememeber their gran suffering on a trolley in the corridor because some rich git wanted more money and lower taxes
You would have thought the Tories would be way ahead in every poll going .... the fact that they are not is a disgrace to them.
The public simply do not trust the Tories ... they remember the mess last time ... they remember the hospital waiting lists - they rememeber their gran suffering on a trolley in the corridor because some rich git wanted more money and lower taxes
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27 February 2010, 07:56 PM
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Because, if Labour are so bad, you would have thought the Tories would have been way ahead ..... that's what I am saying.
They are not, and that should worry them (and I'm sure it is worrying them!)
Because, if Labour are so bad, you would have thought the Tories would have been way ahead ..... that's what I am saying.
They are not, and that should worry them (and I'm sure it is worrying them!)
27 February 2010, 11:53 PM
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28 February 2010, 09:46 AM
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Turned the economy round? Muahahahahahahaha.
So we now don't need any cuts? And all the loans are paid back? And they aren't going to borrow amny more? And inflation won't go mad? And unemployment, the REAL figure, will continue to fall? And companies will be able to borrow from the banks at a non-silly rate?
Turned it round my @rse. Fudged the figures for the election, more like
So we now don't need any cuts? And all the loans are paid back? And they aren't going to borrow amny more? And inflation won't go mad? And unemployment, the REAL figure, will continue to fall? And companies will be able to borrow from the banks at a non-silly rate?
Turned it round my @rse. Fudged the figures for the election, more like
28 February 2010, 10:10 AM
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28 February 2010, 10:26 AM
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I listened to a radio programme last night featuring mainly the Conservative Party Spring conference (that they are holding in Winter btw ).
Sadly all they seemed to do was attack the Labour government while failing yet again to give any concrete policies as to what they will do to change things. Their slogan 'Vote for change' as I have said before must have been thought up in 2 seconds as it really is weak and frankly they are almost as much of a shambles as the government.
It is really quite worrying.
I actually think they are just sitting tight and hope they can get elected by default without having to commit to too much in their manifesto and that is not the sort of party I want governing the country.
Look at the US and it pains me to say this, but Obama stands up and says what he is going to do as part of his election campaign, gets elected and starts doing it. Concrete actions to change things, I may not agree with all he does, but at least he has the courage of his convictions.
).Sadly all they seemed to do was attack the Labour government while failing yet again to give any concrete policies as to what they will do to change things. Their slogan 'Vote for change' as I have said before must have been thought up in 2 seconds as it really is weak and frankly they are almost as much of a shambles as the government.
It is really quite worrying.
I actually think they are just sitting tight and hope they can get elected by default without having to commit to too much in their manifesto and that is not the sort of party I want governing the country.
Look at the US and it pains me to say this, but Obama stands up and says what he is going to do as part of his election campaign, gets elected and starts doing it. Concrete actions to change things, I may not agree with all he does, but at least he has the courage of his convictions.
28 February 2010, 11:14 AM
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I suppose we shall have to see what the Conservatives come up with during their conference. They are certainly not impressing anyone much at the moment.
I think the biggest error by "Dave" was to give up the idea of a referendum on the Eu federation agreement at Lisbon. Breaking that promise has upset the electorate a lot more than we might think.
Les
I think the biggest error by "Dave" was to give up the idea of a referendum on the Eu federation agreement at Lisbon. Breaking that promise has upset the electorate a lot more than we might think.
Les
28 February 2010, 11:24 AM
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I agree with Les on the referendum
But I also think that the Conservatives will NOT release ANY policies until Labour have got theirs out..........otherwise they will just be nicked by Lying Labour.
Unfortunately, that shows just how close the tow major parties are, politically.
But I also think that the Conservatives will NOT release ANY policies until Labour have got theirs out..........otherwise they will just be nicked by Lying Labour.
Unfortunately, that shows just how close the tow major parties are, politically.
28 February 2010, 11:40 AM
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Both parties need to grow up and try and just for once undrstand that while neither has any concrete policies for the elction the entire business world is giving the UK a body swerve as why would you commit to anything without knowing what footing the country is likely to be on.
28 February 2010, 12:20 PM
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I suppose we shall have to see what the Conservatives come up with during their conference. They are certainly not impressing anyone much at the moment.
I think the biggest error by "Dave" was to give up the idea of a referendum on the Eu federation agreement at Lisbon. Breaking that promise has upset the electorate a lot more than we might think.
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I think the biggest error by "Dave" was to give up the idea of a referendum on the Eu federation agreement at Lisbon. Breaking that promise has upset the electorate a lot more than we might think.
Les
I think if DC wants to get moving forwards again he has to get rid of Osbourne and put Ken Clark in as shadow chancellor. It's Osbourne that people don't like
28 February 2010, 05:58 PM
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i don't really 'do politics' to be honest, whoever is in charge will make **** all difference to anything i care about.
they're all out to stiff the average guy, that's never changed and never will. all they do is feather their own nests, make as much as they can then **** off to some companies board of directors to make more money.
you can't vote in 'a change' because there isn't one. they're all the same.
all of the above might be 100% incorrect, it's just a personal view, but if they're trying to persuade me to vote for one or the other why am i left not wanting either of them?
do i like brown? no
do i like cameron? no
so what does that leave that will make any difference?
no wonder it's virtually split opinion, there's the usual people voting for their usual party and everyone else doesn't have a bloody clue who to go for.
who seriously trusts a politician and if that's the case why on earth would you vote for them?
they're all out to stiff the average guy, that's never changed and never will. all they do is feather their own nests, make as much as they can then **** off to some companies board of directors to make more money.
you can't vote in 'a change' because there isn't one. they're all the same.
all of the above might be 100% incorrect, it's just a personal view, but if they're trying to persuade me to vote for one or the other why am i left not wanting either of them?
do i like brown? no
do i like cameron? no
so what does that leave that will make any difference?
no wonder it's virtually split opinion, there's the usual people voting for their usual party and everyone else doesn't have a bloody clue who to go for.
who seriously trusts a politician and if that's the case why on earth would you vote for them?
28 February 2010, 09:23 PM
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I agree the referendum climb down was wrong, but that can't be the reason why they are slipping in the poles today.
I think if DC wants to get moving forwards again he has to get rid of Osbourne and put Ken Clark in as shadow chancellor. It's Osbourne that people don't like
I think if DC wants to get moving forwards again he has to get rid of Osbourne and put Ken Clark in as shadow chancellor. It's Osbourne that people don't like
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01 March 2010, 12:25 PM
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Just stamping our feet and saying we don't like Europe aint going to get us far. Surely a leader who will engage with the EU and attempt to reform it is better than just constantly throwing toys out of the pram?
To be honest I find most of the 'anti-Europe' politician pretty objectionable, not because they are anti-Europe, but because I find their agenda can be fairly extreme / xenophobic
01 March 2010, 12:31 PM
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What possible reform that might do us any significant good do you think anyone could persuade thet corrupt bunch to accept Martin?
Nothing to do with xenophobia, purely a rooted objection to the loss of our own sovereignty and the totalitarian government that total federation will lead to. We are almost there now!
It would mean the effective complete loss of any democratic power as far as the people are concerned. Our vote, should we still have one, would mean nothing in the Eu Parliament!
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Nothing to do with xenophobia, purely a rooted objection to the loss of our own sovereignty and the totalitarian government that total federation will lead to. We are almost there now!
It would mean the effective complete loss of any democratic power as far as the people are concerned. Our vote, should we still have one, would mean nothing in the Eu Parliament!
Les
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What possible reform that might do us any significant good do you think anyone could persuade thet corrupt bunch to accept Martin?
Nothing to do with xenophobia, purely a rooted objection to the loss of our own sovereignty and the totalitarian government that total federation will lead to. We are almost there now!
It would mean the effective complete loss of any democratic power as far as the people are concerned. Our vote, should we still have one, would mean nothing in the Eu Parliament!
Les
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Nothing to do with xenophobia, purely a rooted objection to the loss of our own sovereignty and the totalitarian government that total federation will lead to. We are almost there now!
It would mean the effective complete loss of any democratic power as far as the people are concerned. Our vote, should we still have one, would mean nothing in the Eu Parliament!
Les
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BTW I'm all for self determination, and pulling out of the EU wouldn't cause me to lose any sleep.
But I'd want a proper democratic process HERE first. A fairer voting system, fixed term parliaments, full independence for Scotland, Wales and NI should they want it, and the House of Lords scrapped.
01 March 2010, 06:40 PM
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YouTube - Shahid Malik muslim labour MP wants Muslim PM!
Say no more. Although I'm not certain the BNP are the answer...
Say no more. Although I'm not certain the BNP are the answer...
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There are plenty of people in Europe that don't agree with the current federalist outlook. So we should do exactly what you do when you are trying to win an argument; make your case and try and build a consensus.
BTW I'm all for self determination, and pulling out of the EU wouldn't cause me to lose any sleep.
But I'd want a proper democratic process HERE first. A fairer voting system, fixed term parliaments, full independence for Scotland, Wales and NI should they want it, and the House of Lords scrapped.
BTW I'm all for self determination, and pulling out of the EU wouldn't cause me to lose any sleep.
But I'd want a proper democratic process HERE first. A fairer voting system, fixed term parliaments, full independence for Scotland, Wales and NI should they want it, and the House of Lords scrapped.
Breaking up the Union is a very stupid thing to do. Divide and fall suits NL of course. All they want in the end is the full destruction of our country which they personally hate with a vengeance!
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