Harryr34

iTrader: (9)

Ok, how many times have you been to a mosque my friend? I am a british born muslim and I attend my local mosque on a daily basis! Not once have I ever heard a bad word said against any other race or religion even though there is a very strong BNP following in our area (who do happen to cause trouble on a regular basis) I have many friends from all walks of life and have never had a problem with anyone. I suggest you go do your homework before you make such ignorant, misinformed comments.

I am strongly against all forms of terrorism and if I had the time, money and energy I would do everything possible to put a stop to it. At the moment I'm studying full time and holding down a full time job working for TFL so hardly get time to breathe.

It is a small minority that make the headlines for all the wrong reasons, I love the way you seem to think that all muslims are told to fight the west every day! I think people should try and learn a lil about islam before they try and pass on misinformed opinions. I'm sure if we look into every race/religion we will find a small minority that have hatred for everyone but themselves!

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Haroon

graeme jones

kind of agree we have many religions in this country and the ones that dont mix are the ones that people try to ram down your throwt from extremists in the streets with hooks for hands to joho's knocking on your door at tea time.
In my opinion if you believe in a god this should be for your pleasure and family.
I dont believe in any god but our country started off with one belief now it has many keep them to yourselves thats where the problem lies lol

GC8WRX

Mate, where do i begin?



I used to work with a muslim lad who was funny as ****, we had a right laugh every day i worked with him, he was mental!

He would mock the bull**** he was told by his family, his religious people, his peers all day!


he used to tell us that he wasnt allowed to buy this or that brand cos they had done something to offend islam, or that he couldnt attend this or that place cos of the same reason, he used to say that any young british born muslim who showed a leaning towards the wests way of thinking was ( in his own words) almost reprogrammed!


He painted a picture of a whole section of the community who are here purely for financial reasons, i.e we will pay for them to live, and this grouip of people hate the country they are in and its indiginous people (although that opens up a whole new argument, but for the purposes of this argument, i mean people who class themselves as english.)


he used to love darts, and was quite good too, but he was stopped from playing with his local team in levenshulme, soon after he stopped working at our company!

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Funny that. There are at least 2 Muslims who have posted on this thread, and neither would support your view of being people that hate the west.

More to the point, I have even met one of them, and he was lovely. It was a pleasure to meet him. He certainly had the time of day for me, and showed zero hatred. Kind of doesn't fit with your opinion.

David Lock

So what percentage of Muslims do you reckon represent the extremists? 5%? Less that 1%?

The ones I have met or worked with seem genuinely nice folk who have the same worries as we all do. They tend to be fairly quiet and unassuming and I wouldn't expect them to "take on" the extremists because they want a quiet life.

And their religion is very real, much more so than 99% of those professing Christianity, many of whom haven't seen the inside of a church in years. Not forgetting the IRA who bombed kids in the name of Catholicism.

So kick out the extremists and give the rest a break I say.

dl

itr786

so your basis for you stupid view and bump statement(s) of "all muslims" is on you knowing and listing to 1 person?

lol, you truly are a troll.

Mus

iTrader: (2)

Gc8 wrx you always have nice things to say about Muslims somethings will never change you make it sound like you get abused on a daily basis by Muslims Lol

Martin2005

You shouldn't of dignified his outrageous statement with a response. You don't have to justify yourself to him on anyone else for that matter.

chris270181

worked with a few muslims and some were great and some are pircks . One lad used to drink and smoke and then would try ramming his religieon down our throats in other areas of his "beliefs" basically he chose it to suit himself. Basically its the same as anyone elses religieon some people are t.ts and others are fine. Like i said worked with few muslims found some great and some total %@¥

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I think that goes for all people in life regardless of whether or not they are religious.

As for picking and choosing, looking at it from a differen angle. Most people on here probably frown upon certain crimes, yet technically would happily break laws they don't agree with, i.e. speeding, illegally parking, downloading music/films etc. I'm no saying what side of the fence I sit on, but it's not unusual for people to think some things are ok and others aren't depending upon what they want, or think they should be allowed to do. Religious people aren't the only ones guilty of that approach.

The Zohan

^^^^^^^If you really belive this then chances are you have ben brainwashed by someone with an agenda - what's the difference between you or any other extremist groups and thier views? - very little judging by your post.

You should open your eyes and mind a bit, have a chat with Einstein Ra or Mus, these guys will enlighten you no end as to what means to be a 'real' British Muslim

Leslie

Hard to say but they might be at risk of some trouble from the extremists and their bully boys if they were to speak out for all we know.

Very similar to what happend in Germany as you say, and what will happen to us eventually if they succeed in establishing a police state!

Les

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. As Francois-Marie Arouet eptomized in his work and was later paraphrased by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it. However with this freedom to express there is also a responsibility to respect this right and not to use it to inflame and upset.
As individuals we cannot put the world to rights much as we'd like to, but we can endeavour to be fair minded and balanced in our own approach to life. Evil of any form must be denounced, vile acts cannot be justified under any banner of religious protest. In the same vein, the persecution and killing of innocent people cannot be justified as collateral damage for the greater good.
All religions emphasise the need to 'love thy neighbour' (but don't get caught!). That means (to me at least) understanding and communicating with those around me. Informing and enlightening where the need arises. Condemning and vilifying when I must and being seen to do so. I think this concerns a lot of non muslims, the apparent silent majority. It is a given that any muslim and for that matter any religion will condemn and dis-associate themselves in the killing of innocent people. No matter what justification is put forward, this is unacceptable in any way, shape and form.
Ultimately we must all do our bit. A bit of understanding here a bit of explaining and informing there. Small things make big differences and often the unspoken word conveys the greatest message (often for the wrong reasons). At the end what people wil remember is not the shouts of the extremists but the silence of the other muslims.

Geezer

The irony in this is quite overwhelming!

Talk about generalisation!

You sound more indoctrinated than the people you so despise, class

Geezer

superstar1

Yes, so what your saying is religion is the problem

StickyMicky

Edited for accuracy.

Religion is for mindless feejits who can not think for themselves, religion was IMO probably thought up as a means of control, yet seams to bring even more problems to the table.

Might have been fine in the 'good ole days' when nations had very little contact with each other, but even thats debatable as we killed each other back then, and we kill each other now, but nowadays the way we are all linked, it just adds a lot of fuel to a rather large fire.

Get rid of it, all of it, it will NEVER work in this day and age.

hodgy0_2

i have resisted even looking at this thread -- as I just assumed it would be another round of mindless Muslim bashing

but it seems some sort of sanity and sense of perspective prevails in Scooby land – well done

religious fanatics of all flavours -- are worse than MAC users IMO

Geezer

Steady on!

Geezer

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

No, not really.

People will use the the banner of religion to cause harm to others, while so many follow religions and yet cause no harm, so to me it's a matter of perception or what is fed to people.

There are plenty of people out there who would have no problem causing harm to people, on a small or large scale, who do not follow any religion.

superstar1

Yes, so what your saying is religion is the problem

The Zohan

Maybe religion is not the problem as such - it is how it is twisted and abused by those who have other agendas surely.

Geezer

No, not at all, People are the problem. You only have to look at football hooligans to see that people just love to be a part of something and then the other something simply becomes the enemy.

My secondary school was physically attached to another one, and there was just constant fighting between them, the only reason being it was another school!

Religion is just another 'thing' for humans to belong to and abuse.

Geezer

Leslie

You are quite wrong in fact. Most religions teach people to live a good unselfish life thinking of others and being fair minded in the way they conduct their lives. You cannot criticise that!

When this was a largely religious country it was far more law abiding and people could be trusted in general. Of course there were still those who broke the law as will happen in any society but it was a very much safer place. If you had a bad problem, there would always be someone who would take the trouble to help you out. It was regarded as a duty as well as a genuine wish to help. Religious beliefs provided a standard to live up to.

As Lisa and Paul Hapgood say, the problems we see are those caused by bad elements who deliberately use the religion concerned to influence young people to turn into radicals who will do the will of those wicked minded elements for their own selfish reasons, ie to extend their own power. What they persuade those young people to do does not in fact follow the precepts of the religion concerned. How many of the extremist leaders do you hear about strapping a bomb to themselves incidentally?

Atheists are very quick to jump on the bandwagon to blame the World's troubles on religion. Its a "heaven" sent opportunity , but inaccurate and unfair.

Christian and Muslim religions have very similar teachings as far as conducting oneself in life in the basic sense. That is no bad thing.

You have to look to the real cause of the troubles and that will always be the extremists who are out for themselves and they are the ones who generate the mindless fanaticism in others.

As Einstein said, we are all entitled to our own beliefs, religious or atheistic and that is fair enough.

It is unreasonable to slam either of those beliefs for populist and wrong reasons.

Les

Geezer

Les,
If you look at the majority of the time since man's time on Earth, most of it has been spent being extremely unpleasant, persecuting people, disregard for human life in general, terrible poverty, and all when people believed in various deities.

Not I am not advocating that religion had anything to do with it, as I said earlier, human nature is the real problem, but you cannot say that the world was a better place when more people believed because it patently wasn't.

Things may have been (or seemed) better when you were younger, but that is not reflective of the greater part of human history.

Geezer

Leslie

Fair enough Geezer, what you say covers quite a bit of the subject.

Les