scoobyclinics turbo's just got billet I mean better!
15 July 2010, 08:37 PM
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Hi,
spool is good, not as quick as standard but lets remember its a bigger turbo, however being a billet compressor wheel its 33% lighter and more aerodynamic, so spool is still excellent.
We ran a car on the dyno 2 weeks ago, same spec as yours with a Bob Rawle map, it did exactly what Bob predicted, in this case 340 BHP, so you are in with a chance on the guesstimate being correct.
Here is a graph of a spec C car with a standard engine fitted with an SC46 Billet twin scroll turbo, it is on a meth mix at the customers request.
Not bad for a direct fit unit.
cheers
Kev
spool is good, not as quick as standard but lets remember its a bigger turbo, however being a billet compressor wheel its 33% lighter and more aerodynamic, so spool is still excellent.
We ran a car on the dyno 2 weeks ago, same spec as yours with a Bob Rawle map, it did exactly what Bob predicted, in this case 340 BHP, so you are in with a chance on the guesstimate being correct.
Here is a graph of a spec C car with a standard engine fitted with an SC46 Billet twin scroll turbo, it is on a meth mix at the customers request.
Not bad for a direct fit unit.
cheers
Kev
That is very impressive, although I won't be using a methanol mix I have to say WOW.
Just need to start saving now.
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16 July 2010, 02:10 PM
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I think the problem must lie in particular combinations that have been attempted rather than the MAF per se. I've used a v6 MAF (the fragile one supposedly) with no problems on the following three states of tune on a 2.0 :
1. VF28, TMIC, K&N 57i, Samco inlet, 3" system, standard DV, 1.35bar, approx 310bhp.
2. VF28 hybrid, Hybrid FMIC, K&N 57i, Samco inlet, 3" system, Harvey headers, standard DV, 1.6bar max, 340bhp on Zen dyno. Slight judder on lift-off when boost was at 1.6bar.
3. as above but MD321H, 1.6bar, 360bhp on Zen dyno. No judder, lovely to drive. Should be capable of more power with this turbo, may try tubular headers next.
I did plan to replace with Q45 before the latest tune, but a faulty part meant that I stuck with the v6 MAF for now. Current MAF has been on there for 3+ years. Have spare new one in glovebox.
I should add that I have permanent wideband AFR gauge (calibrated regularly), detalarm (remote LEDs mounted in binnacle so you can actually see them), knock count (v.low) on Apexi hand commander, and EGT, so I would/will know if the MAF plays up.
Andy
1. VF28, TMIC, K&N 57i, Samco inlet, 3" system, standard DV, 1.35bar, approx 310bhp.
2. VF28 hybrid, Hybrid FMIC, K&N 57i, Samco inlet, 3" system, Harvey headers, standard DV, 1.6bar max, 340bhp on Zen dyno. Slight judder on lift-off when boost was at 1.6bar.
3. as above but MD321H, 1.6bar, 360bhp on Zen dyno. No judder, lovely to drive. Should be capable of more power with this turbo, may try tubular headers next.
I did plan to replace with Q45 before the latest tune, but a faulty part meant that I stuck with the v6 MAF for now. Current MAF has been on there for 3+ years. Have spare new one in glovebox.
I should add that I have permanent wideband AFR gauge (calibrated regularly), detalarm (remote LEDs mounted in binnacle so you can actually see them), knock count (v.low) on Apexi hand commander, and EGT, so I would/will know if the MAF plays up.
Andy
17 July 2010, 12:48 AM
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? not sure where you heard that Phil?
use charlies rollers a lot and used scoobyclinics a few times.. one particular car for experiment I tried same map on same car on both.. and was within 0.4bhp.. on a 500bhp car.
Oh and scoobyclinic was 0.4bhp up so they must over read like loads
Simon
use charlies rollers a lot and used scoobyclinics a few times.. one particular car for experiment I tried same map on same car on both.. and was within 0.4bhp.. on a 500bhp car.
Oh and scoobyclinic was 0.4bhp up so they must over read like loads
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17 July 2010, 07:42 PM
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17 July 2010, 08:01 PM
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Cheers, yeah seen those ones on eBay. Might give it a punt before a remap on the OEM ECU, as the MY93-98 style of MAF (Q45 is this style), historically, are less 'fragile' than the MY99/00 ones... 
That said, though, I do have a post-2006 "green stripe" MY99/00 already fitted, and these are supposed to be okay (due to their relative 'newness' if nothing else, I guess?...)
That said, though, I do have a post-2006 "green stripe" MY99/00 already fitted, and these are supposed to be okay (due to their relative 'newness' if nothing else, I guess?...)
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19 July 2010, 01:31 PM
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21 July 2010, 12:12 PM
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Hi,
as this thread has evolved so have the range and pricing on turbo's, I thought it time for an up date.
Direct fit bolt on sleeve bearing BILLET range, please note for clarity I have added in brackets a more familiar reference............
SC 36 Billet...............£750.00 (16G billet)
SC 38 Billet...............£895.00 (18G billet)
SC 40 Billet...............£950.00 (20G billet)
SC 42 Billet...............£1025.00 (20G custom turbine)
All the above are available as TWIN SCROLL BILLETS add an extra £125.00, old exhaust housing no longer required as we now have a custom TWIN SCROLL housing.
Ball bearing billet range..................
SC 46 Billet................£1295.00
SC 50 Billet................£1350.00
SC 54 Billet................£1425.00
Rotated Billet turbo's......................
GT 30 Billet.................£1150.00
GT 33 Billet.................£1295.00
GT 35 Billet.................£1250.00
All the rotated turbo's come with ported shrouds and are available with
either .63 or .82 a/r exhaust housings.
We also offer a Tial housing version, extra cost is £75.00, Tial clamp
and flange kit £125.00.
all prices + vat, trade enquiries welcome.
Hope the above helps, all in stock and ready to ship.
Cheers
Kev
as this thread has evolved so have the range and pricing on turbo's, I thought it time for an up date.
Direct fit bolt on sleeve bearing BILLET range, please note for clarity I have added in brackets a more familiar reference............
SC 36 Billet...............£750.00 (16G billet)
SC 38 Billet...............£895.00 (18G billet)
SC 40 Billet...............£950.00 (20G billet)
SC 42 Billet...............£1025.00 (20G custom turbine)
All the above are available as TWIN SCROLL BILLETS add an extra £125.00, old exhaust housing no longer required as we now have a custom TWIN SCROLL housing.
Ball bearing billet range..................
SC 46 Billet................£1295.00
SC 50 Billet................£1350.00
SC 54 Billet................£1425.00
Rotated Billet turbo's......................
GT 30 Billet.................£1150.00
GT 33 Billet.................£1295.00
GT 35 Billet.................£1250.00
All the rotated turbo's come with ported shrouds and are available with
either .63 or .82 a/r exhaust housings.
We also offer a Tial housing version, extra cost is £75.00, Tial clamp
and flange kit £125.00.
all prices + vat, trade enquiries welcome.
Hope the above helps, all in stock and ready to ship.
Cheers
Kev
Last edited by The Gaffer; 21 July 2010 at 01:14 PM. Reason: made a mistake
21 July 2010, 12:20 PM
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That's great and clear - thanks.
Which turbo would you expect to make 400+ bhp on a STi 5 with equal-length tubular headers/40mm up-pipe/550s/FPR/Hyperflow FMIC, etc... BUT... only mapped on Esso Supreme 97!
I'm guessing it'd have to be the SC42, yeah?
Which turbo would you expect to make 400+ bhp on a STi 5 with equal-length tubular headers/40mm up-pipe/550s/FPR/Hyperflow FMIC, etc... BUT... only mapped on Esso Supreme 97!
I'm guessing it'd have to be the SC42, yeah?
21 July 2010, 01:08 PM
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That will do it comfortably.
cheers
Kev
21 July 2010, 07:42 PM
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Latest update on the original billet 35R We have now mapped the car on race fuel in preparation for TOTB next month. Results were impressive as you will see in the graph below, you should also note that car originally did 622 on V-Power/20% Meth on the Scoobyclinic rollers, whereas at Zen it was lower as can be seen on the graph from April @ 613 (The Zen rollers do tend to read a little lower). However back to back you can see a 33bhp increase by switching to race fuel yesterday. Also note the increased ambient temps on the printout compared to April !
Thanks go to Scoobyclinic for there continued support and to Paul @ Zen also for originally building the car and his fantastic mapping.
We have now mapped the car on race fuel in preparation for TOTB next month. Results were impressive as you will see in the graph below, you should also note that car originally did 622 on V-Power/20% Meth on the Scoobyclinic rollers, whereas at Zen it was lower as can be seen on the graph from April @ 613 (The Zen rollers do tend to read a little lower). However back to back you can see a 33bhp increase by switching to race fuel yesterday. Also note the increased ambient temps on the printout compared to April ! Thanks go to Scoobyclinic for there continued support and to Paul @ Zen also for originally building the car and his fantastic mapping.
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Mad Hammer, how does that dyno work ?
I don't understand how you can have 646hp at the engine and 579 at the wheels, this would result in just 10% loss which is impossible with a 4WD vehicle which roughly loses about 20% due to the drivetrain.
Am i missing something ?
Also, how does the Meth mixing work ? Do you inject Methanol or do you just add Methanol when you fill the fuel tank and how exactly do you go about that ?
I don't understand how you can have 646hp at the engine and 579 at the wheels, this would result in just 10% loss which is impossible with a 4WD vehicle which roughly loses about 20% due to the drivetrain.
Am i missing something ?
Also, how does the Meth mixing work ? Do you inject Methanol or do you just add Methanol when you fill the fuel tank and how exactly do you go about that ?
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21 July 2010, 09:49 PM
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Mad Hammer, how does that dyno work ?
I don't understand how you can have 646hp at the engine and 579 at the wheels, this would result in just 10% loss which is impossible with a 4WD vehicle which roughly loses about 20% due to the drivetrain.
Am i missing something ?
Also, how does the Meth mixing work ? Do you inject Methanol or do you just add Methanol when you fill the fuel tank and how exactly do you go about that ?
I don't understand how you can have 646hp at the engine and 579 at the wheels, this would result in just 10% loss which is impossible with a 4WD vehicle which roughly loses about 20% due to the drivetrain.
Am i missing something ?
Also, how does the Meth mixing work ? Do you inject Methanol or do you just add Methanol when you fill the fuel tank and how exactly do you go about that ?
Meth is mixed with the fuel in my case.
Clive
21 July 2010, 10:34 PM
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Latest update on the original billet 35R We have now mapped the car on race fuel in preparation for TOTB next month. Results were impressive as you will see in the graph below, you should also note that car originally did 622 on V-Power/20% Meth on the Scoobyclinic rollers, whereas at Zen it was lower as can be seen on the graph from April @ 613 (The Zen rollers do tend to read a little lower). However back to back you can see a 33bhp increase by switching to race fuel yesterday. Also note the increased ambient temps on the printout compared to April !
Thanks go to Scoobyclinic for there continued support and to Paul @ Zen also for originally building the car and his fantastic mapping.
We have now mapped the car on race fuel in preparation for TOTB next month. Results were impressive as you will see in the graph below, you should also note that car originally did 622 on V-Power/20% Meth on the Scoobyclinic rollers, whereas at Zen it was lower as can be seen on the graph from April @ 613 (The Zen rollers do tend to read a little lower). However back to back you can see a 33bhp increase by switching to race fuel yesterday. Also note the increased ambient temps on the printout compared to April ! Thanks go to Scoobyclinic for there continued support and to Paul @ Zen also for originally building the car and his fantastic mapping.
Excellent result clive
22 July 2010, 08:08 AM
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Tossing in a couple of litres could be a recipe for disaster if the ignition advance is set for a particular fuel/methanol mix. You must control the fuel mix carefully to ensure the fuel is always of the strength minimum that the car was mapped to otherwise you will run in to det.
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Hi,
a little update.
You may have noticed another billet turbo in the line up, the SC 38, today we ran one on a 2.5 converted STI 8 running forged pistons on "V" power.
here is the printout.
Standard top mount, and a Syvecs ECU.
Boost and AFR.
Spool is amazing, on the road a bar was made at just under 2600 rpm and full boost at 2650 rpm.
A welcome newcomer to the Billet range the SC38 billet is a winner, at just £ 895.00 + vat its a bargain to.
Cheers
Kev
a little update.
You may have noticed another billet turbo in the line up, the SC 38, today we ran one on a 2.5 converted STI 8 running forged pistons on "V" power.
here is the printout.
Standard top mount, and a Syvecs ECU.
Boost and AFR.
Spool is amazing, on the road a bar was made at just under 2600 rpm and full boost at 2650 rpm.
A welcome newcomer to the Billet range the SC38 billet is a winner, at just £ 895.00 + vat its a bargain to.
Cheers
Kev
23 July 2010, 09:54 PM
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Yeah that'll be mine ... she's quite lively The spool is crazy quick and the power delivery is smooth and strong in all gears throughout the rev range.
I'm really chuffed with the result and just to say a massive thanks to all at ScoobyClinic for all their hard work over the past couple of months with the build!! Expect you'll be getting quite some interest in this combo Kev so don't go planning any holiday any time soon
The spool is crazy quick and the power delivery is smooth and strong in all gears throughout the rev range. I'm really chuffed with the result and just to say a massive thanks to all at ScoobyClinic for all their hard work over the past couple of months with the build!! Expect you'll be getting quite some interest in this combo Kev so don't go planning any holiday any time soon
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In order to assist this great Thread i looked up the dyno results that are all through this thread and summed them up making it easier to look them up and compare them.
I also copied the specs and price list to make it all complete.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Direct fit bolt on sleeve bearing BILLET range
please note for clarity I have added in brackets a more familiar reference............
SC 36 Billet...............£750.00 (16G billet)
SC 38 Billet...............£895.00 (18G billet)
SC 40 Billet...............£950.00 (20G billet)
SC 42 Billet...............£1025.00 (20G custom turbine)
Dyno results:
SC36 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=121
SC36 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=783
SC36 Billet vs VF34
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=418
SC38 on a 2.5
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=924
SC38 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=815
SC40 Billet vs VF35
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=590
All the above are available as TWIN SCROLL BILLETS add an extra £125.00, old exhaust housing no longer required as we now have a custom TWIN SCROLL housing.
Ball bearing billet range..................
SC 46 Billet................£1295.00
SC 50 Billet................£1350.00
SC 54 Billet................£1425.00
Dyno results:
SC46 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=704
SC46 Billet on an STI 2.0 ltr
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=748
SC46 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=318
SC46 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=776
SC46 Billet Twin scroll running meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=898
SC50 VS SC50 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=65
SC50 Billet + meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=69
SC50 Billet run in 3rd gear
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=71
SC54 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=16
SC54 Billet + meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=30
Rotated Billet turbo's......................
GT 30 Billet.................£1150.00
GT 33 Billet.................£1295.00
GT 35 Billet.................£1250.00
Dyno results:
GT30R Vs GT30R Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...05&postcount=3
GT30R and GT30R Billet both in 1 graph
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=317
GT30R Billet boost/Bhp curves
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...8&postcount=13
GT35R vs GT35R Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=190
All the rotated turbo's come with ported shrouds and are available with
either .63 or .82 a/r exhaust housings.
We also offer a Tial housing version, extra cost is £75.00, Tial clamp
and flange kit £125.00.
all prices + vat, trade enquiries welcome.
Hope the above helps, all in stock and ready to ship.
I also copied the specs and price list to make it all complete.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Direct fit bolt on sleeve bearing BILLET range
please note for clarity I have added in brackets a more familiar reference............
SC 36 Billet...............£750.00 (16G billet)
SC 38 Billet...............£895.00 (18G billet)
SC 40 Billet...............£950.00 (20G billet)
SC 42 Billet...............£1025.00 (20G custom turbine)
Dyno results:
SC36 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=121
SC36 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=783
SC36 Billet vs VF34
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=418
SC38 on a 2.5
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=924
SC38 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=815
SC40 Billet vs VF35
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=590
All the above are available as TWIN SCROLL BILLETS add an extra £125.00, old exhaust housing no longer required as we now have a custom TWIN SCROLL housing.
Ball bearing billet range..................
SC 46 Billet................£1295.00
SC 50 Billet................£1350.00
SC 54 Billet................£1425.00
Dyno results:
SC46 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=704
SC46 Billet on an STI 2.0 ltr
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=748
SC46 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=318
SC46 Billet Twin scroll
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=776
SC46 Billet Twin scroll running meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=898
SC50 VS SC50 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=65
SC50 Billet + meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...0&postcount=69
SC50 Billet run in 3rd gear
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=71
SC54 Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=16
SC54 Billet + meth
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=30
Rotated Billet turbo's......................
GT 30 Billet.................£1150.00
GT 33 Billet.................£1295.00
GT 35 Billet.................£1250.00
Dyno results:
GT30R Vs GT30R Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...05&postcount=3
GT30R and GT30R Billet both in 1 graph
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=317
GT30R Billet boost/Bhp curves
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...8&postcount=13
GT35R vs GT35R Billet
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=190
All the rotated turbo's come with ported shrouds and are available with
either .63 or .82 a/r exhaust housings.
We also offer a Tial housing version, extra cost is £75.00, Tial clamp
and flange kit £125.00.
all prices + vat, trade enquiries welcome.
Hope the above helps, all in stock and ready to ship.
Last edited by Dutch-TurboWagon; 24 July 2010 at 12:06 AM.