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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by utaka
no frustratingly not car has been gone for over a month now and progress has been made but not anywhere near the speed i had planned, the month i said the bodywork has already elapsed and the finishline is no where close.
engine has arrived at the clinic and all the other bits are there too, just waiting on breaks and fire extinguisher and thats it. once car gets back to clinic just a cae of putting it all bk together and hope to get it completed and some testing done before weather goes crap
very frustrating for me too mate , as you said you want to get this right first time . I've put hundreds of hours into this trying to get it as you want it . fortunately you're taking a lot of advice regarding the aerodynamics which will now change the shape of the rear kit too which is obviously going to take a lot longer than we originally intended .
You're doing the right thing looking to get it spot on first time but the wrong thing then giving people the hurry up , you're going to loose the end result you are obviously looking for if you rush it
I've done a few kits from scratch now and I'm quite happy with the progress this is making .
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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Really looking forward to seeing it finished or even a some teaser shots!


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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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i wasn't being funny there mate im just saying to everyone exactly that it will come when it comes there is no point rushing it your quite right, my deadline was unrealistic anyway, i want to get it right 1st time but you take however long it takes to get it right, im totally cool with that.
i understand this is a bespoke job and i have told you how brill i thought it was and the hours you must have put into this is increadable, and i am truley gratefull that you have undertaken this project for me. as i said i hope we can get it sorted mate
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very frustrating for me too mate , as you said you want to get this right first time . I've put hundreds of hours into this trying to get it as you want it . fortunately you're taking a lot of advice regarding the aerodynamics which will now change the shape of the rear kit too which is obviously going to take a lot longer than we originally intended .
You're doing the right thing looking to get it spot on first time but the wrong thing then giving people the hurry up , you're going to loose the end result you are obviously looking for if you rush it
I've done a few kits from scratch now and I'm quite happy with the progress this is making .
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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me too
craftmanship is pretty serious and turning out to be tougher than anyone anticipated i think. im not posting pics until both sides are done then i will post two teaser pics then once the car is mag featured (as soon as completed) i will release all the pics to show the level of work that has gone into this by abw. nothing is off the shelf and anything that is has to be heavily modified to make it aerodynamic hence the longer time scale and the few probs over the last few days.
its all in the brew

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its a pity, but nothing like this ever goes to plan wont be long

before the weather goes cr@p?!?!!? Have you looked outside??? Really looking forward to seeing this done!!
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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so when is the estimated completition time (as a matter of interest - need to put a note in my diary)?
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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i dont know mate daren is the only one who can answer that for you, my guess is roughly 3 weeks and it will be ready for paint, could be wrong sure darren will post it up
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so when is the estimated completition time (as a matter of interest - need to put a note in my diary)?
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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I just hope you can drive to do it justice

Good luck in TA next year.

Edited because that sounded a bit bitchy.
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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ooooh handbags at twenty paces
the amount of tim ive spent on track with phil and in the ice driver this year i should hope so to. ill have a good six months to learn the new car and the serious amounts of power, now i know all the major tracks and lines. only knockhill and snetterton left to do and ill get them done this year.as you well know life is a lot easier when you have a team giving you technical and track support, been doing a lot of track driving in the past six months probably more than in the past 24 months combined, as long as we can get the car setup well i shouldnt have too many drama's
you entering again next year, or you taking a break?

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I just hope you can drive to do it justice

Good luck in TA next year.

Edited because that sounded a bit bitchy.

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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
I just hope you can drive to do it justice

Good luck in TA next year.

Edited because that sounded a bit bitchy.

LOL dont beat about the bush there Duncan.

I think there should be some good competition next year.
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Seat time and getting used to driving the car will stand you in good stead for next year. Set up is also critical and the ability to get that right quickly. Zen Performance have been absolutely outstanding at doing that with me.

Lots of other very important factors involved too but don't under estimate the step from being quick at a track day and being quick enough in TA. I made that mistake last year and lots of others have this year thinking that they would come in and fall foul of the 5% rule . I am sure SC will help you get the best out of the package and you on the events.

The plan and current preparations are to compete again - so I look forward to comparing the two

Yours is looking good so far

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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JB1
LOL dont beat about the bush there Duncan.

I think there should be some good competition next year.
I think you are right Jon

I maybe put it wrongly driver tuition etc has helped me no end.
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
The plan and current preparations are to compete again - so I look forward to comparing the two

Looking good so far
You planning Club Pro or sticking with Club? If I do it again I would like to go up to CP. All sponsor dependent of course (getting some lol)

Looks like you have Club sewn up this year. I think we will get 3rd at best if we do ok at Snett. Still gona try and get one of those SIDC tropies off you though


Sorry for jacking the thread, finished now.

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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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Definitely not sewn up - so many bad things could happen.

Next year .. cant see how I could compete in my daily driver with the fire breathers in CP without completely turning it into a track only car and I would miss driving it then tbh.
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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Brilliant project mate , i look forward to seeing your progress in the time attack
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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nothing wrong with a bit of battle talk now is there duncan glad your running again.
i just want to use my first year as a competetive as possible and hopefully press on in my second year as your right this isnt a track day its flat out. ill use scoobysprint in between as shakedown(and a bit more exposure for the clinic), although the car is not a sprint car and therfore will not be competetive it at least gives me a chance to get the balance of the car correct for cornering.
phils tuition has been invaluable and im sure there will be plenty more before next year starts. he maybe around scooby clinic a bit more next year, but thats all im saying cant wait. im getting itchy trigger foot

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Originally Posted by dynamix
Definitely not sewn up - so many bad things could happen.

Next year .. cant see how I could compete in my daily driver with the fire breathers in CP without completely turning it into a track only car and I would miss driving it then tbh.
i thought if you won the club challenge you were automatically moved up next year ? have you not hit the 5% rule yet duncan im sure i,ve heard you have hit it twice
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Not automatically moved up as far as I am aware. Last year they took the top few into club pro as the new class was formed but it is unclear what will happen this year.

Only been within the 5% once this year - at Silverstone. Ruling is 3 times in a season and then bumped up.

Utaka - which Phil ?
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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you know which phil duncan. our mutual mate track instructor PG
cant you and russ just **** off to club pro so someone else can have a win
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Not automatically moved up as far as I am aware. Last year they took the top few into club pro as the new class was formed but it is unclear what will happen this year.

Only been within the 5% once this year - at Silverstone. Ruling is 3 times in a season and then bumped up.

Utaka - which Phil ?

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Is he getting better at colouring in and staying in between the lines yet ?
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:10 AM
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what does that mean mate don't follow
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Originally Posted by shawy1976
i thought if you won the club challenge you were automatically moved up next year ? have you not hit the 5% rule yet duncan im sure i,ve heard you have hit it twice
Duncan's only done it the once this year so can go flat out at Snett with no worries of suddenly getting all his results moved up to Club Pro for the year end standings, and me then being fastest Subaru in club as a result lol, I would have loved that. A Stock internal engine car as fastest!

I do think though that they are planning on doing the same as last year and move the first few Club guys up to Club Pro next year if they run again. You should be fine though with all that Torque Duncan, I'm going to need a new engine build to get the same.
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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your obviosly just a good driver making good time through the twisties and a bit slowere on straights i take it, what power do you run on a stock engine?
yeah duncan should be able to turn the boost right up
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Duncan's only done it the once this year so can go flat out at Snett with no worries of suddenly getting all his results moved up to Club Pro for the year end standings, and me then being fastest Subaru in club as a result lol, I would have loved that. A Stock internal engine car as fastest!

I do think though that they are planning on doing the same as last year and move the first few Club guys up to Club Pro next year if they run again. You should be fine though with all that Torque Duncan, I'm going to need a new engine build to get the same.

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Originally Posted by JB1
Duncan's only done it the once this year so can go flat out at Snett with no worries of suddenly getting all his results moved up to Club Pro for the year end standings, and me then being fastest Subaru in club as a result lol, I would have loved that. A Stock internal engine car as fastest!

I do think though that they are planning on doing the same as last year and move the first few Club guys up to Club Pro next year if they run again. You should be fine though with all that Torque Duncan, I'm going to need a new engine build to get the same.
I haven't run the 600 lb/ft torque figure at all this year - most has been about 550 at Silverstone and Brands where I ran at 2 bar on the new engine but only revved to 6300 max in both rounds to take it easier on the new engine.

Power at each round has been less than most people think too. It isnt about the power.
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We think its around 475/420 on Shell with 1% Fuchs booster. Not really sure on just race fuel as we gave up using it, somewhere around 525/450 I guess, We use a mix when we need a bit more get up and go and that runs around 500/440. It is all guess work though re the power as it has only been on the dyno once and that was a mare to get the same charge temp as on the road so never did it again (due to running a TMIC). We get more or less the same temp as outside air temp on the road, but dyno was just too messy and fluctuating to do safe runs with all the advance we are running (40+ degrees). So just road map it and get it drivable rather than chase down figures.

Your right of course... I am a good driver lol. Thats what I tell myself anyway Racing bikes has made cars a lot easier though.

Your car seems to be a nice build. I'm looking forward to seeing it rolled out.
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Originally Posted by dynamix
I haven't run the 600 lb/ft torque figure at all this year - most has been about 550 at Silverstone and Brands where I ran at 2 bar on the new engine but only revved to 6300 max in both rounds to take it easier on the new engine.

Power at each round has been less than most people think too. It isnt about the power.
Only 550!!! he he, that is still a nice amount of torque. I'm still going to catch you at Snetterton. I am having a new mod just to make sure you can't pass...




Ben Hur wheel spikes!!!

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I will be driving for points there rather than the outright win. 4th and 5th will do me fine if Russ wins.
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no no no no tactics. run her 5 bar of boost fighter jet fuel and slap some shields on the wheels to avoid those pesky wheel spikes
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Old Sep 8, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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fair play im sure bikes are twice as sketchy, never riden one to be honest, my mate does a lot of motorcross racing ive been pilion on his race tuned 125 and 0-60 is unbelievable, felt quicker tha an car ive been in or driven but it is outside and i had no protective gear on, bit silly really but i had to feel the power
thats some good figures from a stock engine is nothing uprated bar turbo ecu, where is that power coming from, do you expire a lot of engine running that horse on standard internals??
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We think its around 475/420 on Shell with 1% Fuchs booster. Not really sure on just race fuel as we gave up using it, somewhere around 525/450 I guess, We use a mix when we need a bit more get up and go and that runs around 500/440. It is all guess work though re the power as it has only been on the dyno once and that was a mare to get the same charge temp as on the road so never did it again (due to running a TMIC). We get more or less the same temp as outside air temp on the road, but dyno was just too messy and fluctuating to do safe runs with all the advance we are running (40+ degrees). So just road map it and get it drivable rather than chase down figures.

Your right of course... I am a good driver lol. Thats what I tell myself anyway Racing bikes has made cars a lot easier though.

Your car seems to be a nice build. I'm looking forward to seeing it rolled out.
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Originally Posted by utaka
fair play im sure bikes are twice as sketchy, never riden one to be honest, my mate does a lot of motorcross racing ive been pilion on his race tuned 125 and 0-60 is unbelievable, felt quicker tha an car ive been in or driven but it is outside and i had no protective gear on, bit silly really but i had to feel the power
thats some good figures from a stock engine is nothing uprated bar turbo ecu, where is that power coming from, do you expire a lot of engine running that horse on standard internals??
Chevron Motorsport TMIC, good Turbo, Chevron headers, Exhaust, high pressure oil pump, Chevron baffled sump, Hydra ECU, 650 injectors, filter, Chevron Rad with integrated oil cooler.

Been running the engine for 15k miles (replaced the last to be safe in Jan due to high miles). All of TA, 10 track days and running to work and back each day.

It breaths some oil but need to get a breather kit to sort that. We haven't had any issues with the engine at all really, oil change each round etc as you would do.

Power coming from the TMIC being so efficient and being able to map so much advance in with no det. Richard Bulmer (Tracktive) does the mapping for us. He is continually surprised at what he can get from the top mount (even more than he gets from fronts). We have got to the point where we are running so much advance on the ignition at 1.7bar that it loses power (but still no det). Need a sponsor to fund engine work to see just what we can get out of the setup, and run club pro.

I hope I have remembered all that correctly, I am SO not technical.
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Originally Posted by utaka
you know which phil duncan. our mutual mate track instructor PG
cant you and russ just **** off to club pro so someone else can have a win
i,d wait for the new rules as your (my) car may not be eligible for club challenge i hope they are but you never know .
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