building my 97 impreza into a 2.5 race machine
hi mate,
if im not mistaken you started this thread stating this was a rebuild to a budget due to your pending new arrival (i.e. baby)...and fair play for all the pics and step by step guidance..but what happened to the budget..
i have a rebuild delema im debating with myself everyday...MONEY / SHORT SUPPLY/ QUALITY PARTS/ MORE MONEY/ AND MORE PARTS and so on it goes
BUDGET?? so what was your BUDGET to start with? coz i cant see one! i know u intend to recoup the money selling part off the old engine/turbo etc, etc. but even still this rebuild is starting to spiral..
you had to get a 6 speed Gearbox coz the old wont take the power of the new engine and mods..OK fair enough..
then are you going for a Simtec remap etc?
so tell me honestly when its all done Total cost from start to finish on all New parts/mod and little excessories..(forget the selling of parts,old engine) minus of course labour (your working for free, hardly charging yourself)
just want to see wat kinda Budget your working to...im not knocking you Build or Thread because its excellent stuff and fair play to u..we taking £5K here
ALL the Breast with the build mate
Wayno
if im not mistaken you started this thread stating this was a rebuild to a budget due to your pending new arrival (i.e. baby)...and fair play for all the pics and step by step guidance..but what happened to the budget..
i have a rebuild delema im debating with myself everyday...MONEY / SHORT SUPPLY/ QUALITY PARTS/ MORE MONEY/ AND MORE PARTS and so on it goes
BUDGET?? so what was your BUDGET to start with? coz i cant see one! i know u intend to recoup the money selling part off the old engine/turbo etc, etc. but even still this rebuild is starting to spiral..
you had to get a 6 speed Gearbox coz the old wont take the power of the new engine and mods..OK fair enough..
then are you going for a Simtec remap etc?
so tell me honestly when its all done Total cost from start to finish on all New parts/mod and little excessories..(forget the selling of parts,old engine) minus of course labour (your working for free, hardly charging yourself)
just want to see wat kinda Budget your working to...im not knocking you Build or Thread because its excellent stuff and fair play to u..we taking £5K here
ALL the Breast with the build mate
Wayno
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the budget went out the window straight away as i had a bit of money when i was made redundant so thought i would get some of the more expensive items like pistons/rods 6 speed box and so on out the way.
as the build is going on i fined myself adding new parts like idler pulleys / gaskets/ mounts ect...which i did not account on doing but as the old parts seem worn and my car had done 79 thousand miles i might as well re-new them now while everything is pulled apart or i will fined a few months down the line will be pulling it apart again .
will be running my power fc for now unless some bargain etc.. comes up
think it's over 5 k already without all the other things i need to get , so i would say all in all it will come in between £7500 - 8500 or there abouts but will tot it up when all is done
put it this way i won't be doing it again.
once car is done and all my bits and bobs i want
as the build is going on i fined myself adding new parts like idler pulleys / gaskets/ mounts ect...which i did not account on doing but as the old parts seem worn and my car had done 79 thousand miles i might as well re-new them now while everything is pulled apart or i will fined a few months down the line will be pulling it apart again .
will be running my power fc for now unless some bargain etc.. comes up
think it's over 5 k already without all the other things i need to get , so i would say all in all it will come in between £7500 - 8500 or there abouts but will tot it up when all is done
put it this way i won't be doing it again.
once car is done and all my bits and bobs i want
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when i get five mins hopfully get abit more done as i have had a few parts arrive just don't know if to weld a wedge on to my manifold or just get a 90 deg silicon bend as the manifold i have is the one with the coil in the middle so not sure how to go about this yet
as i got rcm 10 ml spacers and don't want the throttle to hit the bonnet
any one with any advice would be great 
have been told it will not hit but not 100% sure
as i got rcm 10 ml spacers and don't want the throttle to hit the bonnet
any one with any advice would be great have been told it will not hit but not 100% sure
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as the build is going on i fined myself adding new parts like idler pulleys / gaskets/ mounts ect...which i did not account on doing but as the old parts seem worn and my car had done 79 thousand miles i might as well re-new them now while everything is pulled apart or i will fined a few months down the line will be pulling it apart again .
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Am getting some pics forwaded to me by the chap carrying out the "service" on some of the recommended parts so will forward these to you.
excellent thread mate lots of good advice im gunna build one before my engine goes to save heart ache of not having it but just wanted to know what manual you used as the ones ive found aint the best. looking forward to seeing it finished good luck with the rest of it.
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done a little bit today as i managed an hour down the garage
cleaned and painted manifold and done something a little bit different to the plain colours they are normally painted and done a slight art attack on it 
not everyones taste tho but i like it 
still waiting on some parts to arrive
but i have got my my group N sti engine and gearbox mounts
and whiteline bushes for the gearbox
all from zen performance with lightning delivery 
will get some pics up soon as
cleaned and painted manifold and done something a little bit different to the plain colours they are normally painted and done a slight art attack on it 
not everyones taste tho but i like it 
still waiting on some parts to arrive
but i have got my my group N sti engine and gearbox mounts
and whiteline bushes for the gearbox
all from zen performance with lightning delivery 
will get some pics up soon as
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done abit more today 
went and picked up some fuel line for my paralel conversion
and got my gt spec headers and opened the ports to match the heads then wraped the headers ad fitted with rcm header fitting kit so all gaskets bolts are original




ports before

after


exhast wrap



went and picked up some fuel line for my paralel conversion
and got my gt spec headers and opened the ports to match the heads then wraped the headers ad fitted with rcm header fitting kit so all gaskets bolts are original 



ports before

after


exhast wrap


Hi Lee, nice project thread. 
I'd consider your options with regards to the sump you're planning to use. I bought the same one you have and sent it back because i was apaulled at the standard of 'craftsmanship'... to me it looked worse than something a thirteen year-old would stick together in metal work.
See this 22b.com thread for more details and opinions other than my own.
The one John Flestead supplies is considerably better crafted and thought-out than the eBay one. Well worth the extra £100.








This is only my opinion, feel free to ignore it.
It just seems a shame to spoil what looks like a good project wth a ****-poor effort at a baffled sump.

I'd consider your options with regards to the sump you're planning to use. I bought the same one you have and sent it back because i was apaulled at the standard of 'craftsmanship'... to me it looked worse than something a thirteen year-old would stick together in metal work.

See this 22b.com thread for more details and opinions other than my own.
The one John Flestead supplies is considerably better crafted and thought-out than the eBay one. Well worth the extra £100.








This is only my opinion, feel free to ignore it.

It just seems a shame to spoil what looks like a good project wth a ****-poor effort at a baffled sump.
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[QUOTE=Carl Davey;8588107]Hi Lee, nice project thread. 
i am not going in to competitions or events with my car and yes the one you had made is better crafted than the one i have but at alot more cash too
so i would expect the sump you have to be better. and i got it from Rowley's performance web site
if i was doing events ect... then i would go as far as the sump you have but see no point to be honest and I'm trying to keep the cost down as i have been out of work since October and now my other half has lost her job to and we have a 4 month old baby so moneys tight mate
i think it is good enough to do the job i want at a price i can afford as if i was made of money i would have the best that money can buy 

as said in in a post before i did go and inquire about the one you have but it was to much money for me as i still have so much still to get for my project
and at this climate i can't see me getting a job yet so money is very tight now and i have only my hobbles and old parts to fund my project

I'd consider your options with regards to the sump you're planning to use. I bought the same one you have and sent it back because i was apaulled at the standard of 'craftsmanship'... to me it looked worse than something a thirteen year-old would stick together in metal work.
The one John Flestead supplies is considerably better crafted and thought-out than the eBay one. Well worth the extra £100.
so i would expect the sump you have to be better. and i got it from Rowley's performance web site if i was doing events ect... then i would go as far as the sump you have but see no point to be honest and I'm trying to keep the cost down as i have been out of work since October and now my other half has lost her job to and we have a 4 month old baby so moneys tight mate
This is only my opinion, feel free to ignore it. 
It just seems a shame to spoil what looks like a good project Th a ****-poor effort at a baffled sump. :

It just seems a shame to spoil what looks like a good project Th a ****-poor effort at a baffled sump. :


as said in in a post before i did go and inquire about the one you have but it was to much money for me as i still have so much still to get for my project
and at this climate i can't see me getting a job yet so money is very tight now and i have only my hobbles and old parts to fund my project Last edited by The Stitcher; Mar 20, 2009 at 08:59 AM.
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managed to fit my md321s turbo last night but it was abit of a mission as it was so big 
thought my 20g was big but wow i had to grined parts of the block and cut bracket down to fit it

all fitted now
made a start on the manifold too and got the hi flow rails on and some fixings just need to cut my braided fuel line and can get that on in the reverse position 



thought my 20g was big but wow i had to grined parts of the block and cut bracket down to fit it


all fitted now
made a start on the manifold too and got the hi flow rails on and some fixings just need to cut my braided fuel line and can get that on in the reverse position 


Hi Lee, nice edit.
Please don't take my comments the wrong way, they were directed at Rowleys, not you. 
I understand RE competition events etc and am sorry to hear you're out of work. I'm not made of money either, if i was i wouldn't be driving an Impreza and if was driving one it would have a Lateral ally sump fitted.
I just wanted to highlight the issue to make sure you were aware of it and had considerately thought everything through, which obviously you have.
To explain the eBay reference, Rowleys (at least used to) flog their sump on eBay but the picture showed a sump fitted with an aluminium baffle-tray installed. Their website was the same the last time i checked. To be fair the guys there were good to deal with when it came to the refund etc.
Ok, back on topic please.
Please don't take my comments the wrong way, they were directed at Rowleys, not you. 
I understand RE competition events etc and am sorry to hear you're out of work. I'm not made of money either, if i was i wouldn't be driving an Impreza and if was driving one it would have a Lateral ally sump fitted.

I just wanted to highlight the issue to make sure you were aware of it and had considerately thought everything through, which obviously you have.

To explain the eBay reference, Rowleys (at least used to) flog their sump on eBay but the picture showed a sump fitted with an aluminium baffle-tray installed. Their website was the same the last time i checked. To be fair the guys there were good to deal with when it came to the refund etc.
Ok, back on topic please.
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done a little bit today and got my group N engine mounts fitted and also fitted my manifold and spacers too, came to fit injectors and realised that i need a fitting kit
never mined tho will get some ordered asap few pics but battery ran out then 



will get some more up soon as
never mined tho will get some ordered asap few pics but battery ran out then 



will get some more up soon as
Coming on really well there Lee, you have covered some ground for sure... it's taking shape now buddy
I hope to see you under the bonnet literally cleaning the bulkhead before that engine goes anywhere near the car !
I hope to see you under the bonnet literally cleaning the bulkhead before that engine goes anywhere near the car !
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did think about it but i have so much still do without adding more and i just want it back on the road as it will be almost a year it's been off the
got abit done today tho and got my rear diff off plus the gear box and prop and managed to get the six speed in place 

just need to get the prop and rear diff on and im happy for five mins
will get some pics up tomorrow 
got to say big thanks to scudy for turning up better late than never

thanks scudy i could not have done it with out you there fella

got abit done today tho and got my rear diff off plus the gear box and prop and managed to get the six speed in place 

just need to get the prop and rear diff on and im happy for five mins

will get some pics up tomorrow 
got to say big thanks to scudy for turning up better late than never


thanks scudy i could not have done it with out you there fella


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some pic's



old diff is the smaller looking of the two


prop off and pic to show the difference which is the 6 speed is smaller in length but bigger in diamitor


then it was on to the front and took of the cusco h brase and lower arms as i have alloy arms to go back on

then it was to drop the box with jacks underneath and then pull it from underneath as the car was high enough to pull it out

then took off the support cradle from the 5 speed and cleaned then replaced the old bushes with whiteline uprated ones as these are often overlooked


pic of the two boxes side by side and as you can guess the bigger one's the 6 speed


after i bought the five speed i thought it was out of a 2001-2002 car but it never had stub axles in so i thought that the person i bought it off just pulled the shaft out with out removing the pin on the driveshaft cup
but after speaking through email to the guy i had bought the box off he said they were part of the driveshaft and he had them but wanted alot of money for the shafts plus they might not fit the classic hub
so got in touch with cotton competiton and posted them some pics of the box as i was told by some people that i could use the stubs that are used in a 2001-2002 six speed and my shafts will fit
all i need to do then is change the seals aswell
the guys at cotton comp said that the seals that are used in the box i have are 04 plus so it was a newer box than i thought
so ordered the stubs/seals and clips and they were just the job so big thanks to cotton comp and richard who sorted it all out for me 





then it was to fit my group n gearbox mount


then fitted linkage which i forgot to take a pic
then it was to get the 6 speed in
took a bit of effort but we got it in 

all thats left now is to put prop and diff on and alloy arms and then give it all a good clean



old diff is the smaller looking of the two


prop off and pic to show the difference which is the 6 speed is smaller in length but bigger in diamitor


then it was on to the front and took of the cusco h brase and lower arms as i have alloy arms to go back on


then it was to drop the box with jacks underneath and then pull it from underneath as the car was high enough to pull it out


then took off the support cradle from the 5 speed and cleaned then replaced the old bushes with whiteline uprated ones as these are often overlooked



pic of the two boxes side by side and as you can guess the bigger one's the 6 speed



after i bought the five speed i thought it was out of a 2001-2002 car but it never had stub axles in so i thought that the person i bought it off just pulled the shaft out with out removing the pin on the driveshaft cup
but after speaking through email to the guy i had bought the box off he said they were part of the driveshaft and he had them but wanted alot of money for the shafts plus they might not fit the classic hub
so got in touch with cotton competiton and posted them some pics of the box as i was told by some people that i could use the stubs that are used in a 2001-2002 six speed and my shafts will fit
all i need to do then is change the seals aswell
the guys at cotton comp said that the seals that are used in the box i have are 04 plus so it was a newer box than i thought
so ordered the stubs/seals and clips and they were just the job so big thanks to cotton comp and richard who sorted it all out for me 





then it was to fit my group n gearbox mount



then fitted linkage which i forgot to take a pic

then it was to get the 6 speed in
took a bit of effort but we got it in 

all thats left now is to put prop and diff on and alloy arms and then give it all a good clean





will pm you about it 