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Old 26 February 2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
The UK is finished......
Really....? It looked fine this morning on my way to work
Old 26 February 2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by abbott
might live in this hole but im a gers man .......
Thats even worse.
Old 26 February 2008, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
It'll be alright as long as no one mentions:

a) The World Cup

and

b) 1966

1967 was a better year for football
Old 26 February 2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sti-04!!
1967 was a better year for football
Hell yeah!!!
Old 26 February 2008, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
Have you seen the "bull bars" on "rural transports" here? Similar to the UK? No. UK have none. There is a reason for that. Size does matter, as well as volume!
Only cos the pc brigade have their teeth stuck in - you imagine the damge inflicted by 25 stone Sharon ,mother of 8
Old 26 February 2008, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
In what way, exactly?
Crime rates are dreadful
Immigration levels are too high
Welfare system is bleeding the economy
Taxes are too high
Debt levels are way too high
Breakdown in society and morla values. Kids in London think it is "normal" to knife somone

Going to be some painful years ahead... glad I left.
Old 26 February 2008, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Crime rates are dreadful
THe Crime rate according to the BCS is lower than it way, say, 10 or 20 years ago

Originally Posted by marky1
Immigration levels are too high
Depends on what angle you are looking at immigration from - Immigration benefits to the country to the tune of $6billion net.
Originally Posted by marky1
Welfare system is bleeding the economy
You will always have a welfare system and rightly so - What I think hasn't helped is the confusiuon over various benefits and perhaps needless bureaucracy.
Originally Posted by marky1
Taxes are too high
As a country, a UK citizen is taxed less of his income than , say, France, along with many other countries.
Of course I would like to pay less tax, but the UK is not a example of a high tax economy particularly
Originally Posted by marky1
Debt levels are way too high
Personal or national? (in either case I agree)
Originally Posted by marky1
Breakdown in society and morla values. Kids in London think it is "normal" to knife somone
Whilst youth on youth violence is on the increase, I hope that measures will be taken to stem the tide. I don't beleive there is a mass breakdown in moral values, though. Most people, and I mean the vast mnajority still have a sense of right and wrong.
Old 26 February 2008, 02:59 PM
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We've just come back from New York and I would live there for a year no problem. I think it would be nice to experience another way of life/culture etc. and would do this in many countries, not just choose one to live forever.

I don't think I could live in a city for the rest of my life, so I would also like to live in Germany, France, Switzerland (if I could!), New Zealand and maybe Australia. If money was no option, then you could do that sort of thing. If I had to pick one to stay forever, it would probably be a European country to be near the family - language barrier aside...
Old 26 February 2008, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Already done it, left three years ago, living in Gibraltar. The UK is finished......
Curiously a friend of mine went to Gib on a weekend trip, she said it's full of the most militant Brits (or pseudo-Brits) you could think of, all incensed by the Spanish, threat of loss of independence, etc etc. Sounds like somewhere the Daily Mail could run a special edition.
Old 26 February 2008, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
THe Crime rate according to the BCS is lower than it way, say, 10 or 20 years ago


Depends on what angle you are looking at immigration from - Immigration benefits to the country to the tune of $6billion net.

You will always have a welfare system and rightly so - What I think hasn't helped is the confusiuon over various benefits and perhaps needless bureaucracy.

As a country, a UK citizen is taxed less of his income than , say, France, along with many other countries.
Of course I would like to pay less tax, but the UK is not a example of a high tax economy particularly

Personal or national? (in either case I agree)

Whilst youth on youth violence is on the increase, I hope that measures will be taken to stem the tide. I don't beleive there is a mass breakdown in moral values, though. Most people, and I mean the vast mnajority still have a sense of right and wrong.
Lucky you live there then isn't it as it seems like you are a big fan.
Sorry but you are wrong on the taxes.
Old 26 February 2008, 03:23 PM
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Everyone I know thinks Gibraltar is a hole!

I'd sooner live in the UK thanks!

UK taxes are good, Germany and Scandinavia pay higher for certain. Not sure on French.
Old 26 February 2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Sorry but you are wrong on the taxes.
Tax burden on working families in UK rising as it falls in Europe - Business News, Business - Independent.co.uk
Originally Posted by The Independant
The survey of the 30 members of the Organisation of Economics Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that most had cut taxes on pay since 2000.

However, the UK data showed that a married couple with one earner and two children faced tax of 27.1 per cent last year, compared with 24.9 per cent in 2001. This contrasted with a fall for the average of the 15 "old" EU nations from 32.1 to 31.6 per cent over the same period.

The OECD said the rise was driven by the 2002 increase in National Insurance payments to fund extra spending in the NHS and schools.

The figure, which is known as the tax wedge, is based on income tax plus employee and employer contributions less cash benefits as a share of labour costs. The UK figure contrasted with 35.7 per cent in Germany, down from 36.8 per cent, and 8.1 per cent in Ireland, down from 12.1 per cent. The French burden rose to 41.7 per cent from 40.5 per cent.
BritishAmerican Business Inc. | London Investment Information
In comparison to the rest of Europe, the UK has low tax rates. Both personal and corporate rates are lower than across the continent and have served as an inducement for inward investment. All worldwide income, both personal and corporate, arising from a UK base will be liable for UK tax.

If by "wrong" you mean, "absolutely spot on", yes.



Old 26 February 2008, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
Everyone I know thinks Gibraltar is a hole!

I'd sooner live in the UK thanks!

UK taxes are good, Germany and Scandinavia pay higher for certain. Not sure on French.
Yeah it's not the most beautiful place on the earth, but there are good parts to it (although it's very small) Depends on the reason for living here as to whether you would want to. Maybe if it saved you a few quid you would!
Old 26 February 2008, 03:37 PM
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I'd not be concerened about saving a few quid.....more a lifestyle thing.

I'd be happy to pay more in fact if everything else was right.
Old 26 February 2008, 03:37 PM
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f by "wrong" you mean, "absolutely spot on", yes.

Hmmm i suspect they refer to your average family with 2.2 children..... I can only speak from my own experience, when I left the UK I was paying 53% income tax. (40% plus getting hit for 13% NI)
Old 26 February 2008, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
I'd not be concerened about saving a few quid.....more a lifestyle thing.

I'd be happy to pay more in fact if everything else was right.
Yeah agreed. That's why most people "living" in Gibraltar live in Spain. I suppose most people on here would still rather be in the UK though.
Old 26 February 2008, 03:44 PM
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Don't see why you need money to live abroad!

I was skint and driving a Ford Escort when I first move to Germany! Not doing too badly now, pick up my 4th Scooby this week, as the pay is much better over here, not to mention the cost of living being much less :P

Tried going back to the UK in 1999, but only lasted 8 months! Given the UK has only got worse since then, I wouldn't even consider going back again!

Language is not such a big issue! Most people in Europe speak perfect English, and picking up the local language while you're there is quite easy if you make the effort!
Old 26 February 2008, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
f by "wrong" you mean, "absolutely spot on", yes.

Hmmm i suspect they refer to your average family with 2.2 children..... I can only speak from my own experience, when I left the UK I was paying 53% income tax. (40% plus getting hit for 13% NI)

Well of course people are going to have individual circumstances that mean they may be better off in one country that another - But as a whole, the UK is a relatively low tax economy
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Well of course people are going to have individual circumstances that mean they may be better off in one country that another - But as a whole, the UK is a relatively low tax economy
Fair comment....
Old 26 February 2008, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
f by "wrong" you mean, "absolutely spot on", yes.

Hmmm i suspect they refer to your average family with 2.2 children..... I can only speak from my own experience, when I left the UK I was paying 53% income tax. (40% plus getting hit for 13% NI)
You weren't paying 53% - some of your pay had no tax levied on it, some had 10% tax etc... So the total tax is not 40% on all of your earnings is it?
Old 26 February 2008, 04:02 PM
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Ohhh Clares getting technical on us
Old 26 February 2008, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarebabes
You weren't paying 53% - some of your pay had no tax levied on it, some had 10% tax etc... So the total tax is not 40% on all of your earnings is it?
Yes you are right. Although if I worked it out exactly I was probably paying about 39%. It's close enough I think....!

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Old 26 February 2008, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Ohhh Clares getting technical on us
He was trying to prove a point with the figures... And he was wrong. Is that being technical?
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no, no, I liked the fact hes been corrected a couple of times already so anymore is welcome
Old 26 February 2008, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Yes you are right. Although if I worked it out exactly I was probably paying about 39%. It's close enough I think....!
Thanks for admitting your error. I'm surprised the Scoobynet Pedants didn't pick up on that!
Old 26 February 2008, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
no, no, I liked the fact hes been corrected a couple of times already so anymore is welcome
haha, ok, didn't realise you would all be so pedantic. I'm not sure I have been corrected, rather that we all look at places in different ways. I can tell you there are many EU countries where I would be better off tax wise than the UK. Obviously this is not the case for all. Does that make you right and me wrong - I don't think so. Rather people judge on their own criteria. Anyway the poll was about leaving the UK - 90% of people have voted they would like to if they had the money. I guess the point I am trying to make is maybe you would have the money if you DID leave the UK. That's why I left anyway, so that I could make more.
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