What 42" LCD?
12 November 2007, 01:03 AM
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This Panasonic plasma gets my vote at £975, its £1200 at John lewis.
Product Details - Panasonic TH42PZ70 PED
Be careful of John Lewis, yes they offer a 5 year warranty but you will find most of their stuff is way over priced and your actually paying for the warranty, as an example John Lewis are £200 more expensive on the above tv.
Product Details - Panasonic TH42PZ70 PED
Be careful of John Lewis, yes they offer a 5 year warranty but you will find most of their stuff is way over priced and your actually paying for the warranty, as an example John Lewis are £200 more expensive on the above tv.
12 November 2007, 08:19 AM
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They'll price match any other shop, and add the 5 year warranty on top. Also a lot better to deal with than most companies in my experience.
12 November 2007, 09:52 AM
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12 November 2007, 09:55 AM
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I got a 5 year PANASONIC (not 3rd party, john lewis etc.) warranty. Not sure if all retailers can give this but richer sounds reigate gave me a panasonic form to fill in and I've recently received the 5 year guarantee certificate from Panasonic.
As I say, all this for £750 incl pedestal. In store the panny was better than the LG, samsungs etc. and on par with the Pioneer (which is far too £££ly), just make sure you don't have the screen in "Dynamic" mode as that does look poor, I bet that's the mode it was in when psl saw it as it's the default setting.
As I say, all this for £750 incl pedestal. In store the panny was better than the LG, samsungs etc. and on par with the Pioneer (which is far too £££ly), just make sure you don't have the screen in "Dynamic" mode as that does look poor, I bet that's the mode it was in when psl saw it as it's the default setting.
13 November 2007, 08:03 AM
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Makro are doing a deal on a Sony Bravia 40 inch LCD.
£587 Including VAT.
Watching Die Hard 4.0 on Sunday with the In laws and the MIL jumped at one point cos she thought the car involved in a crash was going to hit her
Big Telly, good picture - fooking cheap.
£587 Including VAT.
Watching Die Hard 4.0 on Sunday with the In laws and the MIL jumped at one point cos she thought the car involved in a crash was going to hit her
Big Telly, good picture - fooking cheap.
14 November 2007, 07:02 AM
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Ive just brought a LG 55PC55 or whatever, 50" plasma, 5 year warranty, for £800 delivered from Teleland - LCD Plasma TV, 5 Years Warranty, LCD TV, HDTV, Flat Panel, LCD Television, 32, 37, 40, 42, 22, 23, 26, 27 inch LCD Plasma HDTV, AOC, Hannspree, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, Buy a TV
Bolted the sod up on the wall in my brothers pub. What a TV, its huge !!! inbuilt digitial TV, multiple modes / settings, very impressive.
£800, with a 5 year warranty, well, couldnt find better.
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Bolted the sod up on the wall in my brothers pub. What a TV, its huge !!! inbuilt digitial TV, multiple modes / settings, very impressive.
£800, with a 5 year warranty, well, couldnt find better.
SBK
15 November 2007, 11:44 AM
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Is that 50" true HD? hear all this "true" HD stuff, I just want a really good picture and have XBOX360 so would buy the HD disk drive for that.
I have a pre HD viera, do rate it (and paid £2000 for it!! when plasmas werent so cheap
) so suppose the HD version would be the obvious choice, but cant ignore 50"!! that'd be brilliant.
I have a pre HD viera, do rate it (and paid £2000 for it!! when plasmas werent so cheap
) so suppose the HD version would be the obvious choice, but cant ignore 50"!! that'd be brilliant.
15 November 2007, 12:18 PM
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I'm also going for the TH42PX70, just as soon as this effin fireplace is finished so I can get it bought 
I've been reviewing them all for months and the Panny is my fave.
I've been reviewing them all for months and the Panny is my fave.
16 November 2007, 11:48 AM
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Carefull: its just a rebranded item, as the Wharfdale brand for electronics (except for speakers) is licensed out to other manufacturers.
It'll be along the lines of Bush and Goodmans et al.
Not saying its no good; I have a cheap Grundig HD freeview LCD in the kitchen where its components are sourced from some very obscure manufacturers (Made in Turkey
)but I can't fault the thing apart from the naff remote.
It'll be along the lines of Bush and Goodmans et al.
Not saying its no good; I have a cheap Grundig HD freeview LCD in the kitchen where its components are sourced from some very obscure manufacturers (Made in Turkey
)but I can't fault the thing apart from the naff remote.
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16 November 2007, 08:28 PM
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For large screens: Plasma every time as I know jack **** about tv's.
The main differences between plasma and LCD are weight and picture quality. Plasma being heavier - so plasma requires better brackets (and walls
). Lifespan is about the same (LCDs have backlights; these do lose brightness as well after 10,000 hours )
LCD is great for small screens where backlight bleed is less of an issue or for PC displays and great if one is a blind cheapskate who won't notice the picture qulaity issues. Otherwise, they are flawed.
First thing you'll note (and regret) when sat infront of a freshly bought 37"+ LCD is when you sit infront a DVD movie in a darkened room, and see the backlight bleeding through at the bottom and sides. Not to mention the blacks being grey. WRONG WRONG WRONG
I know it annoys the hell out of me - even on a 22" PC monitor. Granted certain models are better than other's but I'm yet to find one that is not perfect, improved over older LCDs, yes and better than Plasma...
IMO
The main differences between plasma and LCD are weight and picture quality. Plasma being heavier - so plasma requires better brackets (and walls
). Lifespan is about the same (LCDs have backlights; these do lose brightness as well after 10,000 hours )LCD is great for small screens where backlight bleed is less of an issue or for PC displays and great if one is a blind cheapskate who won't notice the picture qulaity issues. Otherwise, they are flawed.
First thing you'll note (and regret) when sat infront of a freshly bought 37"+ LCD is when you sit infront a DVD movie in a darkened room, and see the backlight bleeding through at the bottom and sides. Not to mention the blacks being grey. WRONG WRONG WRONG
I know it annoys the hell out of me - even on a 22" PC monitor. Granted certain models are better than other's but I'm yet to find one that is not perfect, improved over older LCDs, yes and better than Plasma...
IMO
Your info is completely out of date and misleading.
For a decent 1080P HD telly its got to be an LCD - Samsung are the mutts nuts, and for your £800 you'll get the 40" M87 series (LE40M87BDX) and if you buy the Samsung 1080P upscaling dvd player for around £60 you'll be amazed how good a normal dvd can look!
17 November 2007, 12:33 AM
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A brand new Sony BRAVIA still does it. How can it be out of date information on a current TV you can buy off the shelf today? And its not a a cheap LCD either!
Everyone raves about them (well ok, the reviewers do). yes they are better than older generation LCD (its not hard, though). But, still no matter what you do with the contrast, brightness or whatever dynamic mode available in the menu, its still far from perfect. it's still greys for blacks and the backlight still bleeds at the edges (well its worse than that, as the backlight appears to switch from high to low when switch from bright to dark scenes - apart from the switching lags, making it even more noticeable). And the contrast still goes to pot anyway if the screen is viewed off angle.
Correct correct correct
If you don't see a problem, good for you. But don't expect to rubbish others because "you" can't see the problem with your particular telly.
Upto 32" as a maximum is fine- there is very little issue, but 40" there is certainly a problem. 50" and above is appalling (although, arguably a 50" CRT projection was extremely dire, so using that as a comparison, a 50" LCD is far better, although still far from perfect though.).
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17 November 2007, 10:17 AM
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A brand new Sony BRAVIA still does it. How can it be out of date information on a current TV you can buy off the shelf today? And its not a a cheap LCD either!
Everyone raves about them (well ok, the reviewers do). yes they are better than older generation LCD (its not hard, though). But, still no matter what you do with the contrast, brightness or whatever dynamic mode available in the menu, its still far from perfect. it's still greys for blacks and the backlight still bleeds at the edges (well its worse than that, as the backlight appears to switch from high to low when switch from bright to dark scenes - apart from the switching lags, making it even more noticeable). And the contrast still goes to pot anyway if the screen is viewed off angle.
Correct correct correct
If you don't see a problem, good for you. But don't expect to rubbish others because "you" can't see the problem with your particular telly.
Upto 32" as a maximum is fine- there is very little issue, but 40" there is certainly a problem. 50" and above is appalling (although, arguably a 50" CRT projection was extremely dire, so using that as a comparison, a 50" LCD is far better, although still far from perfect though.).
Everyone raves about them (well ok, the reviewers do). yes they are better than older generation LCD (its not hard, though). But, still no matter what you do with the contrast, brightness or whatever dynamic mode available in the menu, its still far from perfect. it's still greys for blacks and the backlight still bleeds at the edges (well its worse than that, as the backlight appears to switch from high to low when switch from bright to dark scenes - apart from the switching lags, making it even more noticeable). And the contrast still goes to pot anyway if the screen is viewed off angle.
Correct correct correct
If you don't see a problem, good for you. But don't expect to rubbish others because "you" can't see the problem with your particular telly.
Upto 32" as a maximum is fine- there is very little issue, but 40" there is certainly a problem. 50" and above is appalling (although, arguably a 50" CRT projection was extremely dire, so using that as a comparison, a 50" LCD is far better, although still far from perfect though.).
Just because the Sony does, it doesn't mean they all do.
I went from a (top of the range 4 yrs ago) 32" Sony CRT to a 40" LCD made by Samsung. The LE40M87 I mentioned previous and its the full 1080P.
The Sony was IMHO a stinking pile of poo!
The Samsung is brilliant, the blacks are most definately BLACK, it does not bleed any backlight, in fact I can't fault it. Well yes I can if I'm being picky, the sound is not the best in the world (but wifey says it sounds better than the Sony!)through the TV speakers, but I found that of all the LCD & plasma TV's as the design menas they have smaller sized speakers. I use a surround sound system anyway so its not a problem.
Wifey and I watched LOTR on it the other weekend, played through the upscaling 1080P DVD player and the picture quality/clarity/detail was simply amazing.
Anyhoos I still feel you cannot be so general in your comments on LCD tellys.
Life would be boring if we all had the same opinion!
17 November 2007, 10:22 AM
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I think I will be going for this.
Currys - Shop for Plasma and LCD Flat Panel TV - PANASONIC TH50PX70 50" HD Ready digital Plasma TV
Currys - Shop for Plasma and LCD Flat Panel TV - PANASONIC TH50PX70 50" HD Ready digital Plasma TV
Get John Lewis to price match, which they will, get a FREE 5 year warranty and rest in the firm knowledge that your satisfaction actually matters to them and their good name.
17 November 2007, 09:51 PM
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), they still have a long way to go.Indeed, I beleive I am still yet to see a large sized LCD that still doesn't have the inherant problems, and yes I CAN generalise. Being honest, I do have an unfair advantage to audience more TVs than the average person. And the problems are most noticeable on the larger screens in general. Be it Toshiba, Sharp, Sony, Samsung or a Bush! At least with the latter you expect it
. It doesn't help when manufacturers don't openly say what technology their panels use (S-IPA, S-PVA, MVA or TN) But's its usally a given that a decent one will be at the very least a S-PVA or at least, it should be.Talking about Samsung: What you don't expect when you buy one is to be playing a panel lottery, since Samsung have been playing games over recent years by dumping in Chimei or AUO panels instead of their own...both of which are claimed to be of equal performance, although consumers think differently (and I've been caught out by that one myself too
).I'm not saying other maufacturers don't do this, it would suprise me if they didn't. However being aware that two identical make and model LCD screens but having different panel origins placed side by side can perform differently doesn't help the process of choosing the "right" screen.
Anyway.
More generalisation: There are models that have better image processing, for that one can appreciate better picture movement and colour rendering, where a certain brand LCD would appear better than a old/cheap Plasma which has inferior processing. Only to be let down by the blacks and the backlight. Fors and against. If you keep the lights on or use during the day, it'll never be an issue. So, go for an LCD
And scuffing onto cheap 1080p panels, another quirk I'm starting to notice. Possibly an issue with processing, despite a good source. With 720p and some upscaled media, one seems to notice jerky picture movements - especially the background (the foreground images move fine). Few people notice it though. And I'm "yet" to find the definitive cause. Is it the source, or the TV
..or (AV forum mode = on ) maybe its the cable Still, its something else to to watch out for when buying a new screen.It's a pain being picky
....it gets expensive
17 November 2007, 10:38 PM
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after many many many many many hours searching and reading reviews, viewing different sets etc etc, i have gone for Samsung PS50P96FDX, has had very good reviews and is 1080p too for £1400-ish.
19 November 2007, 11:39 AM
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Any views on this? TOSHIBA 42X3030 42" LCD TV WITH 1920 x 1080p Screen Resolution Regza X Series sounds like a brillaint spec, and I like the Tosh 23" HD we have upstairs, is there anything about this set outdated/not very good?
Gutted i bought an XBOX Premium now (only recently too), this telly is 1080p and apparently the XBOX 360 Elite is the only one that plays at 1080p, best I can get is 1080i (not sure how mcuh diffs that will make really), plus Elite has a HD DVD player.
Gutted i bought an XBOX Premium now (only recently too), this telly is 1080p and apparently the XBOX 360 Elite is the only one that plays at 1080p, best I can get is 1080i (not sure how mcuh diffs that will make really), plus Elite has a HD DVD player.
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19 November 2007, 04:28 PM
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Only thing I could see with the Tosh was the contrast ratio of 6000:1, most sets around this price mark are 15000:1, I'm no expert so not sure what difference that makes in the real world.
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