wrc350+

in the 80s a rally car went round a f1 circuit in england and would of been on the 2nd row of a f1 grid, i read this in autosport, cant remember car or circuit though but at a guess group b peugeot and brands?

jonathan100

What about a DTM touring car or would they still get shat on by the f1 car?

TimmyboyWRX

i remember reading somewhere, and i cant remember where, that back in the day a group B lancia S4 set a time round portugal F1 track that wouldve qualified him ( and i forget the drivers name) in 6th place for the GP that year, now those were quick rally cars!!

( gonna get my history of rally dvd out now and drool lol)

marmski

I wasnt questioning Silverstone, but the fact that you have mentioned the above is interesting

On Silverstone an F1 car averages 180MPH on a 1:18 lap...

At Monaco the Average Speed of an F1 car is only 99MPH on a 1:15 lap.....

I think it would be far closer than you think... but it would imply that using maths it isnt possible... still would like to see it

Edited because i didnt understand the thread i was replying too properly

nik52wrx

I think it would be very interesting but i still feel the F1 car would comfortably win.

The top end through the tunnel would be way too much for a WRC car to make up. Even the slower corners are probably a little deceptive in an F1 car.

Besides, even if the F1 corner speeds were slower (certainly the hair pin) i dont think it would be enough to overcome the F1 cars acceleration, high speed cornering and braking abilities, It would make an interesrting race though.

How about sticking a MotoGP bike in for good measure.....

Nik.

scubasteve

I'd have to say the Nova but it would need to be at least a 1.4sr

Gear Head

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Name another car that has so much downforce it can drive upside down at 120mph? Oh, and has 750bhp.........and weighs 600KG.......and revs to 19000rpm.

F1 would walk it, even in the wet.

marmski

But the average speed of Monaco is only 99MPH... hence question.

Doing the maths, the WRC car would lose... thats pretty clear now, but it would only be 10secs or soo... not exactly walking it.

Dracoro

But that doesn't make any point. All it would mean is that a WRC car would also have a lot lower average speed than it would have at Silverstone or wherever.

Also, for as much time as a F1 car is doing 40/50 at monaco, in other parts it would need to average 150/160mph (remember you need to GET to these speeds quickly, not merely attain them) to average out at 99mph.


A gp2 car, which also will be a LOT faster than a WRC car round a track is 5 seconds behind the F1 cars at monaco.

I'll restate, that a WRC would be unlikely to get even 15/20secs behind a F1 car round monaco.

marmski

If a WRC car (as shown in the Top Gear video link posted prior) is only 30ish secs slower on a circuit which is another half as long and where the average speed is 180MPH (far greater than the car can even achieve) Then it must be a much closer encounter on a circuit where the WRC car can actually acheive and exceed the average speed.

TimmyboyWRX

lol, settle it on the track, im sure top gear, or ford ( who still run in both F1 and WRC dont they? ) or prodrive with the new aston F1 car vs an impreza would be up for that if they got enough publicity from doing it?

Dracoro

Although it MIGHT be the case, this is still a logical fallacy.

A F1 car is, for example, 30% slower round monaco than silverstone. Then it's quite possible that the WRC car will also be 30% slower, thus making the difference the same.

As I said, it's not the speeds that the WRC won't achieve (i.e. 170mph+) that is the problem on most circuits (except the fastest tracks), it's more the amount of time it takes to accelerate up to highish speeds. Put it another way, the F1 limited to 150mph would still pi$$ all over a WRC.

For your theory to work, you'd need a track that has lots of very slow corners and short straights where a F1 car would average, say less than 70mph.

Luckyscoob

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I remember seeing on fifth gear. VBH and tiff racing an f1 car with a new M5. The M5 looked like a milk float. Anyone who has been to a grand prix will testify that on tv you really dont get a feel for how fast these cars are going, especially around corners.



of course..... wouldn't get near scooby on the twisties tho!!!!

Chip

Urban Myth!

Chip

Chip

No it doesnt. Average speeds are around 135mph. Times are around 1:26 secs.

Chip

Chip

Oh and an F1 car would hammer any WRC car.

Chip

marmski

My bad... i converted the km/h speeds incorrectly.

Like i said... i agree the F1 car would win after putting some maths into it, but still would love to see it.

Maybe Alonso vs. Loeb in their respective cars... then switch cars and do the same

Brun

I say F1 would hammer WRC.
The S4 thing sounds interesting

aggs

The Group B cars were putting out 500bhp + in the 80 s , not sure about the weight of them.
They had some downforce aids, but not like a Formula 1 car,mainly to aid jumping and downforce when sideways as well as straight on.
Low gearing top speed prob about 120mph maybe 130mph.
These would close the gap a bit more.
From memory the Ford RS 200 was clocked 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds by Autocar.
Cannot remember the Formula 1 cars time.