should Pitbulls be outlawed?
04 January 2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
Ok Engers Sociogimp etc i'll bite
No one has said yet that these dogs will be destroyed
No one has said yet that these dogs will be destroyed
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Pit bull dog shot dead by police
BBC NEWS | England | Norfolk | Dog shot dead by police marksman
BBC NEWS | England | Dog shot after attacking police
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Wounded 'attack dog' is put down
BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Dogs shot after attacking woman
Shoot 'em Deputy Cleetus!
04 January 2007, 10:43 AM
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It's a shame irresponsible owners have made these dogs unacceptable in today's society.
AFAIK snakes can be pretty dangerous animals, but they don't tend to eat/strangle too many babies! Because the owners are generally sensible and keep them caged etc. not because they have been "well trained".
AFAIK snakes can be pretty dangerous animals, but they don't tend to eat/strangle too many babies! Because the owners are generally sensible and keep them caged etc. not because they have been "well trained".
04 January 2007, 10:46 AM
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Trouble with a really big/strong dog is what do you do if it does go for you?
I'm sure many of us are pretty adept at self defense against a human "opponent" but big dog is very hard to "incapacitate"
If a dog was mauling a child, the options would be limited and you can't just knock them out, you really need to kill them and that's not easy.
I'm sure many of us are pretty adept at self defense against a human "opponent" but big dog is very hard to "incapacitate"
If a dog was mauling a child, the options would be limited and you can't just knock them out, you really need to kill them and that's not easy.
04 January 2007, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JamieMacdonald
It's a shame irresponsible owners have made these dogs unacceptable in today's society.
AFAIK snakes can be pretty dangerous animals, but they don't tend to eat/strangle too many babies! Because the owners are generally sensible and keep them caged etc. not because they have been "well trained".
AFAIK snakes can be pretty dangerous animals, but they don't tend to eat/strangle too many babies! Because the owners are generally sensible and keep them caged etc. not because they have been "well trained".
Saying that, he has never struck me or the children, or attempted to, but has struck *Sonic* after eating chicken
But yes, he is kept safely and not a threat and not trained for fighting or killing.
My auntie used to own a pitbull when I was small, she was a lovely dog, but that was probably at a time before all the killer instinct was bred more and more into them
It IS a shame that they have been bred like this, shame on the irresponsible owners who have made them like this. I am sure there are people out there who do own pitbulls and ARE responsible, but they are probably in the minority unfortunately.
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04 January 2007, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by daiscooby
Should Pitbulls be outlawed ?
Only drunk blonde ones in slapper clothes on a Saturday night.
Only drunk blonde ones in slapper clothes on a Saturday night.
Beer goggles are strange things when they wear off LOL
04 January 2007, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by D.K.1
Been out on the razz then ? Beer goggles are strange things when they wear off LOL
Beer goggles are strange things when they wear off LOL Why do 40 somethings think that dressing like teenagers makes them look sexy ?
Or is it just a christmas thing ?
04 January 2007, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by daiscooby
No, not even if I had been paralytic
Why do 40 somethings think that dressing like teenagers makes them look sexy ?
Or is it just a christmas thing ?
Why do 40 somethings think that dressing like teenagers makes them look sexy ?
Or is it just a christmas thing ?
Glad you avoided them
04 January 2007, 12:28 PM
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[QUOTE=JamieMacdonald]It's a shame irresponsible owners have made these dogs unacceptable in today's society.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
04 January 2007, 12:50 PM
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[QUOTE=r32]
Exactly. Plus I understand they are strong little buggers so even the best trained ones will do a lot of harm if spooked say by a firework, a brain tumour (it happens) or a kid pulling its ears. They frighten the life out of me anyway. I'd personally feed them all to big snakes. dl
Originally Posted by JamieMacdonald
It's a shame irresponsible owners have made these dogs unacceptable in today's society.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
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04 January 2007, 02:25 PM
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"One chav brat dies and a load of innocent dogs get killed for it. Seems fair. "
Why cant all SN'ers be this usefull? If every retard poster kept their "look...i'm a ****" posts as short and simple as this i could build up my ignore list so much faster.
Why cant all SN'ers be this usefull? If every retard poster kept their "look...i'm a ****" posts as short and simple as this i could build up my ignore list so much faster.
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Originally Posted by The Snug Rhino
"One chav brat dies and a load of innocent dogs get killed for it. Seems fair. "
Why cant all SN'ers be this usefull? If every retard poster kept their "look...i'm a ****" posts as short and simple as this i could build up my ignore list so much faster.
Why cant all SN'ers be this usefull? If every retard poster kept their "look...i'm a ****" posts as short and simple as this i could build up my ignore list so much faster.
04 January 2007, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat-Fink
Alot of **** on this thread mate.
only about half a dozen **** posts as far as I can see - this is a pretty good Devil Dog debate for SN
04 January 2007, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
only about half a dozen **** posts as far as I can see - this is a pretty good Devil Dog debate for SN
04 January 2007, 02:39 PM
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Personally, I don't like dogs full stop. Those that have these aggressive dogs around children, I believe, are asking for trouble.
I would back any move that prevented the ownership of dangerous breeds of dog and their immediate breed relatives.
If my daughter were to be attacked by such an animal I would ensure that not only the dog be destroyed but also the owners be punished as far as legally possible - more so if I felt legal punishment were not enough.
Sorry but thats the way I feel.
I would back any move that prevented the ownership of dangerous breeds of dog and their immediate breed relatives.
If my daughter were to be attacked by such an animal I would ensure that not only the dog be destroyed but also the owners be punished as far as legally possible - more so if I felt legal punishment were not enough.
Sorry but thats the way I feel.
04 January 2007, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mark engers
Sure they will!
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Pit bull dog shot dead by police
BBC NEWS | England | Norfolk | Dog shot dead by police marksman
BBC NEWS | England | Dog shot after attacking police
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Wounded 'attack dog' is put down
BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Dogs shot after attacking woman
Shoot 'em Deputy Cleetus!
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Pit bull dog shot dead by police
BBC NEWS | England | Norfolk | Dog shot dead by police marksman
BBC NEWS | England | Dog shot after attacking police
BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Wounded 'attack dog' is put down
BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Dogs shot after attacking woman
Shoot 'em Deputy Cleetus!
, each of these pooches deserved the bullet ! So when do you think the Coppers should shoots dogs and when shouldn't they ?I think dogs are great, but if they're out of control, shoot 'em (or their owners).
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[quote=r32]
At last someone who talks sense, pitbulls are bred to fight, thats all they know. Put 2 in a ring and they will fight to the death - simple. There is no reason to own one other than for fighting.
I have had staffies for over 20 years, why ? because trained/looked after properly they make amazing pets as anyone who owns one will tell you. Most people own them because they make great pets. But I agree some people have them to look "hard" these are the ones that give the breed and other breeds a bad name.
Please don't tar all staffies/owners with the same brush.
Both of mine have been attacked several times by labs, sheep dogs and a springer, and have never retaliated.
At the end of the day it's how the dog is brought up/trained and by who. No dog can be trusted were kids are concerned. Leaving a child with any dog (not including SS mut) is like leaving it with a wolf...simple.
Originally Posted by JamieMacdonald
It's a shame irresponsible owners have made these dogs unacceptable in today's society.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
You dont get it do you. These dogs were bred to fight, its in their nature. They can never be trusted along with the other three breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs act. No sensible person wanting a pet or a family pet would consider owning one. They are owned for show, not because they are a lovable breed.
Blaming the vicous ones on the owners is like saying have a lion or tiger for a house pet and only expecting it to be nasty if they belong to 'bad' owners. Its inbred, its in their nature, treating them right wont ever get rid of this trait completely.
They should all be put down, the sooner the better.
I have had staffies for over 20 years, why ? because trained/looked after properly they make amazing pets as anyone who owns one will tell you. Most people own them because they make great pets. But I agree some people have them to look "hard" these are the ones that give the breed and other breeds a bad name.
Please don't tar all staffies/owners with the same brush.
Both of mine have been attacked several times by labs, sheep dogs and a springer, and have never retaliated.
At the end of the day it's how the dog is brought up/trained and by who. No dog can be trusted were kids are concerned. Leaving a child with any dog (not including SS mut)
is like leaving it with a wolf...simple.
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[quote=T5OLF]
At last someone who talks sense, pitbulls are bred to fight, thats all they know. Put 2 in a ring and they will fight to the death - simple. There is no reason to own one other than for fighting.
I have had staffies for over 20 years, why ? because trained/looked after properly they make amazing pets as anyone who owns one will tell you. Most people own them because they make great pets. But I agree some people have them to look "hard" these are the ones that give the breed and other breeds a bad name.
Please don't tar all staffies/owners with the same brush.
Both of mine have been attacked several times by labs, sheep dogs and a springer, and have never retaliated.
At the end of the day it's how the dog is brought up/trained and by who. No dog can be trusted were kids are concerned. Leaving a child with any dog (not including SS mut) is like leaving it with a wolf...simple.
A very good post there.
Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
Originally Posted by r32
At last someone who talks sense, pitbulls are bred to fight, thats all they know. Put 2 in a ring and they will fight to the death - simple. There is no reason to own one other than for fighting.
I have had staffies for over 20 years, why ? because trained/looked after properly they make amazing pets as anyone who owns one will tell you. Most people own them because they make great pets. But I agree some people have them to look "hard" these are the ones that give the breed and other breeds a bad name.
Please don't tar all staffies/owners with the same brush.
Both of mine have been attacked several times by labs, sheep dogs and a springer, and have never retaliated.
At the end of the day it's how the dog is brought up/trained and by who. No dog can be trusted were kids are concerned. Leaving a child with any dog (not including SS mut)
is like leaving it with a wolf...simple. Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
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[QUOTE=Bat-Fink]
A very good post there.
Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
Yep, that's what I've done here!
All the chavs in this part of the world seem to own 'Staffies'. That's the sort of dog I was referring to in my post above.
Are Pitbulls pretty rare then? Does anyone know what sort of numbers we're talking about in the country?
Originally Posted by T5OLF
A very good post there.
Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
Yep, that's what I've done here!
All the chavs in this part of the world seem to own 'Staffies'. That's the sort of dog I was referring to in my post above.
Are Pitbulls pretty rare then? Does anyone know what sort of numbers we're talking about in the country?
04 January 2007, 03:53 PM
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Pitbulls wern't bred to fight they were bred as catch dogs for farmers as they were strong enough to hold live stock long enough for the farmer to tie it up. It was the ***** that are into this brutal sport that got this dog to be recognised as a so called "bred for fighting" breed.
People who recognise these as a fighting dog are naive in my eyes, yes they are used to fight but it was never bred for that reason, unlike the japaneese tosa which were bred solely for fighting.
No i dont have a pitbull and never would before anyone asks
People who recognise these as a fighting dog are naive in my eyes, yes they are used to fight but it was never bred for that reason, unlike the japaneese tosa which were bred solely for fighting.
No i dont have a pitbull and never would before anyone asks
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[QUOTE=Bat-Fink]
A very good post there.
Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
Seconded!
(Another (definately non-chav) Staffordshire owner here).
Originally Posted by T5OLF
A very good post there.
Also alot of people confuse Staff's with Pitbull's.
(Another (definately non-chav) Staffordshire owner here).
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[QUOTE=JamieMacdonald]
Yep, that's what I've done here!
All the chavs in this part of the world seem to own 'Staffies'. That's the sort of dog I was referring to in my post above.
Are Pitbulls pretty rare then? Does anyone know what sort of numbers we're talking about in the country?
Which makes your post utter ****e then, as Staffies are no more dangerous than any other breed of dog 
Pitbulls are on the list contained in the dangerous dogs act. Its illegal to breed, sell, promote, etc, but not to own them, although they must be muzzled if in public.
There won't be that many around - I've not seen one in 20 years.
Originally Posted by Bat-Fink
Yep, that's what I've done here!
All the chavs in this part of the world seem to own 'Staffies'. That's the sort of dog I was referring to in my post above.
Are Pitbulls pretty rare then? Does anyone know what sort of numbers we're talking about in the country?
Pitbulls are on the list contained in the dangerous dogs act. Its illegal to breed, sell, promote, etc, but not to own them, although they must be muzzled if in public.
There won't be that many around - I've not seen one in 20 years.
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Originally Posted by leonpoole
Pitbulls wern't bred to fight they were bred as catch dogs for farmers as they were strong enough to hold live stock long enough for the farmer to tie it up. It was the ***** that are into this brutal sport that got this dog to be recognised as a so called "bred for fighting" breed.
People who recognise these as a fighting dog are naive in my eyes, yes they are used to fight but it was never bred for that reason, unlike the japaneese tosa which were bred solely for fighting.
No i dont have a pitbull and never would before anyone asks
People who recognise these as a fighting dog are naive in my eyes, yes they are used to fight but it was never bred for that reason, unlike the japaneese tosa which were bred solely for fighting.
No i dont have a pitbull and never would before anyone asks
Humans have created specialized dogs through emphasizing desired traits and eliminating unwanted ones. It is no different with the pit bull type dogs. The American Pit Bull Terrier has been "selectively" bred for hundreds of years to fight other dogs. This is the sad "work" these dogs were created for. In the same way that Labradors were bred to retrieve birds, APBTs were bred to face other dogs in mortal combat. Even in dogs that are not recently bred from fighting lines, the urge to fight can arise at any time. Not to strongly emphasize this fact would be negligent.
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Another dog I'm wary of (having had two in my family) are collies.
Lovely and very bright but very highly strung and unpredictable.
Lovely and very bright but very highly strung and unpredictable.
Border collies can be highly strung and are susceptible to being snappy. Roughs are rather aloof with strangers and as soft as you like with people they know. I believe Bearded are rather calmer as well.