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From: ECU Mapping - www.JollyGreenMonster.co.uk
Originally Posted by Mouse
Well I have sold the car.
But I did not claim to develop the ECU, Although during 2003 I dismantled several STi2 Engines at TEG Sport so Andrew Leech/Proteus/Sigma ECU could obtain the relevant timing information etc to build the Ecu. Then at the point where the ecu was a development board grafted to a JECS board, spent many a night with Andrew in my garage trying to get it to work, doing some small experiments 'to linearise air temp sensors etc'. So I like to think i helped
But I did not claim to develop the ECU, Although during 2003 I dismantled several STi2 Engines at TEG Sport so Andrew Leech/Proteus/Sigma ECU could obtain the relevant timing information etc to build the Ecu. Then at the point where the ecu was a development board grafted to a JECS board, spent many a night with Andrew in my garage trying to get it to work, doing some small experiments 'to linearise air temp sensors etc'. So I like to think i helped
Originally Posted by Proteus
James,
I got a Sigma ECU fitted by steve simpson. I was going to get an Apexi, but after i spoke to him about ecus and stuff, i opted not to. The apexi still needs the MAF sensor, and the sigma can do without it somehow ! and as mine was faulty, this saved me having to change it. I also didn't need to get a seperate boost controller - which i had been told i would need with an apexi ecu.
So when i compared the spec of the ecus, and what they would cost to get fitted and setup - the sigma won hands down. Cost me 995quid, fitted and setup on his rollers - with graph prints, and then a run up the road to check i was happy with it - and boy was i happy with it !!!
I got a Sigma ECU fitted by steve simpson. I was going to get an Apexi, but after i spoke to him about ecus and stuff, i opted not to. The apexi still needs the MAF sensor, and the sigma can do without it somehow ! and as mine was faulty, this saved me having to change it. I also didn't need to get a seperate boost controller - which i had been told i would need with an apexi ecu.
So when i compared the spec of the ecus, and what they would cost to get fitted and setup - the sigma won hands down. Cost me 995quid, fitted and setup on his rollers - with graph prints, and then a run up the road to check i was happy with it - and boy was i happy with it !!!
I really don't understand why someone would do this.. if the ecu is as good as everyone claims why would you need to lie to promote it and treat the whole of scoobynet as idiots and believe that they would be silly enough to not see through your lies?
I also wonder who this Simon X is also.. another username with no email address registered.. hummmmm...
Originally Posted by Simon X
Come on guys, cracking price.
Put me down for Anti-lag as well please Harvey- should be a laugh
Put me down for Anti-lag as well please Harvey- should be a laugh
If this is the case (Proteus impersonating a happy customer) then that is an absolute disgrace.
I have previously been vilified by Proteus and it turns out that the "man" himself has no idea of integrity.
Pi55 poor show imho and this WILL NOT be edited out at his request as previously done on other threads.
The above is observation on the person, not the product
I have previously been vilified by Proteus and it turns out that the "man" himself has no idea of integrity.
Pi55 poor show imho and this WILL NOT be edited out at his request as previously done on other threads.
The above is observation on the person, not the product
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Having sort legal advice, I would like to make the following statement.
"I am the owner, designer and developer of the Sigma ECU.
The very first 'ECU' (a prototype - nicknamed the spaghetti ECU) was tested on a rally car which was at that time owned by Mouse. The reason for this was that I needed a real engine/vehicle to test the ECU on, and Mouse offered his car as such. It was the first ECU I had designed for a Subaru, and it was a 'proof of concept' type unit. Other than being 'mappable' it had no more functionality than the OEM ECU, it actually had less. It originally had no functionality, such as ALS. It had no proper mapping software, and needed hex editors and compliers to change things.
It was fitted to this particular car because it was available, not because it was a rally car. It could have been fitted to any Subaru, road going or rally or anything else.
Mouse is correct with his post listing his involvement. I don't recall any engines specifically being dismantled to ascertain the timing data, I think they were being dismantled as they required a rebuild. Mouse did help at that stage, and I am grateful for it. We did come to an arrangement as to how Mouse would be reimbursed for his assistance - he would receive an ECU, for cost of parts only, this has yet to be concluded.
The ECU's (2 of) which Pat refers to as being on display on the TEG Stand at Autosport 2004, were in fact at that time blanks. Although they were complete in hardware design, they had no firmware within them - because at that time it had not been written.
From January 2004 onwards, I worked on the firmware / software.
In August of 2005, the first 'real' ECU was fitted to the first customer's road car.
Between the above times, as the ECU was being developed, both Town End Garage & Steve Simpson Motorsport offered their assistance at various stages. For example, TEG loaned us a car during a cold spell (so that we could improve cold starting) and Steve Simpson tested an ECU on his own car, driving to and from work, and giving his thoughts on how the mapping software should operate. Their assistance is gratefully appreciated.
We then at Autosport 2006 had the 'real' ECU on display along with a demo setup complete with software, as part of Steve Simpson Motorsport's display. The cost of this stand was split 4 ways between ourselves (AlcaTek Control Systems Ltd), Steve Simpson Motorsport, Modena Engineering & Town End Garage Ltd.
These are the facts, presented openly and honestly by me, the designer and owner of the ECU and I am now marketing this with Steve Simpson and would like to thank him for his considerable knowledge and input."
Until further issues are clarified, I am unable to make further comment on this thread.
Andrew Leech
"I am the owner, designer and developer of the Sigma ECU.
The very first 'ECU' (a prototype - nicknamed the spaghetti ECU) was tested on a rally car which was at that time owned by Mouse. The reason for this was that I needed a real engine/vehicle to test the ECU on, and Mouse offered his car as such. It was the first ECU I had designed for a Subaru, and it was a 'proof of concept' type unit. Other than being 'mappable' it had no more functionality than the OEM ECU, it actually had less. It originally had no functionality, such as ALS. It had no proper mapping software, and needed hex editors and compliers to change things.
It was fitted to this particular car because it was available, not because it was a rally car. It could have been fitted to any Subaru, road going or rally or anything else.
Mouse is correct with his post listing his involvement. I don't recall any engines specifically being dismantled to ascertain the timing data, I think they were being dismantled as they required a rebuild. Mouse did help at that stage, and I am grateful for it. We did come to an arrangement as to how Mouse would be reimbursed for his assistance - he would receive an ECU, for cost of parts only, this has yet to be concluded.
The ECU's (2 of) which Pat refers to as being on display on the TEG Stand at Autosport 2004, were in fact at that time blanks. Although they were complete in hardware design, they had no firmware within them - because at that time it had not been written.
From January 2004 onwards, I worked on the firmware / software.
In August of 2005, the first 'real' ECU was fitted to the first customer's road car.
Between the above times, as the ECU was being developed, both Town End Garage & Steve Simpson Motorsport offered their assistance at various stages. For example, TEG loaned us a car during a cold spell (so that we could improve cold starting) and Steve Simpson tested an ECU on his own car, driving to and from work, and giving his thoughts on how the mapping software should operate. Their assistance is gratefully appreciated.
We then at Autosport 2006 had the 'real' ECU on display along with a demo setup complete with software, as part of Steve Simpson Motorsport's display. The cost of this stand was split 4 ways between ourselves (AlcaTek Control Systems Ltd), Steve Simpson Motorsport, Modena Engineering & Town End Garage Ltd.
These are the facts, presented openly and honestly by me, the designer and owner of the ECU and I am now marketing this with Steve Simpson and would like to thank him for his considerable knowledge and input."
Until further issues are clarified, I am unable to make further comment on this thread.
Andrew Leech
Last edited by Sigma ECU; Oct 19, 2006 at 01:10 PM.
SIGMA-ECU :
You forgot to mention/confirm whether you are indeed 'Proteus' and have been promoting the SIGMA dishonestly by claiming to be a customer.
I'm sure an apology/explanation would wipe the slate clean, and serve you better with future sales.
You forgot to mention/confirm whether you are indeed 'Proteus' and have been promoting the SIGMA dishonestly by claiming to be a customer.
I'm sure an apology/explanation would wipe the slate clean, and serve you better with future sales.
from another thread it does seem like they are one and the same. Cant understand why Sigma-Ecu needs legal advice though, maybe its because in the other thread, someone from Teg tells him to stop mentioning their name
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I have never read, such a thread before, where a product being released has had such a disasterous PR campaign. The ecu might be excellent, but would anybody in their right mind, now go out and get one fitted after reading this thread 
to be honest if I had the money and the need then I possibly would assuming it was the same cost of a power fc fitted and mapped, as it does possibly offer more features. However I already have the power fc and it does what I need for the road. If I rallied my car then the extra few hundred £ possibly would be better (on paper at least) spent on the sigma. However I get the impression that the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing/done and they are making themselves look a bit silly. (I dont mean the apexi side of things)
Pat : Having read Andrew Leech's statement, post #94 coupled with the direct quote from Steve Simpson, post #49, I hope you now accept that Andrew Leech is the owner and developer of the SIGMA ECU which is and always has been intended as primarily a road ECU.
Per post #89 I will happily accept your humble apology and put this to bed.
Simon :
Simon X contacted me asking for anonymity. Here is his initial PM.
He is someone I have known for some time and regard as a friend.
I recorded him on the Group Buy.
I hope you will not cast aspersions on my integrity and honesty.
As my Father passed away on Tuesday evening I won't be posting on here for some time while I organise personal and family matters.
Per post #89 I will happily accept your humble apology and put this to bed.
Simon :
I also wonder who this Simon X is also.. another username with no email address registered.. hummmmm...
Hi Harvey, interested in the Sigma group buy, but don't want to be visibly on the list if that makes sense.
I hope all is well with you?
Thanks matey.
I hope all is well with you?
Thanks matey.
I recorded him on the Group Buy.
I hope you will not cast aspersions on my integrity and honesty.
As my Father passed away on Tuesday evening I won't be posting on here for some time while I organise personal and family matters.
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If I recall towards the end of 2002 TEG started building rally cars from STi2 models which were short of diff control, someone was introduced to us who may be able to help. At Autosport 2003 we had a demo unit to display along with a car. At this point a plan was hatched to produce a large number of competitive rally cars for '20k on the road ' -which I gave up my full time job to assemble. Big problem was the cost of the Gems which was a large part of the budget. BUT if the diff ECU had so much unused processing power, why not use it to run the engine??. So hardware wise the ECU would add hardly any to the build cost (connector) hence the only additional functionality on my rally car was an active diff controller.
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Well deepest sympathy mate but it doesn't change the fact that you were just plain wrong !
I doubt it somehow, imagine going back with a perceived issue and being told you were a fckwit and talk out your a55hole !
As for the integrity and honesty bit, harvey you need to be having words with your ecu man Andrew Leech regards his posts as Proteus, clean up your own act first before mouthing off at others would be my advice.
Originally Posted by andy97
I have never read, such a thread before, where a product being released has had such a disasterous PR campaign. The ecu might be excellent, but would anybody in their right mind, now go out and get one fitted after reading this thread
As for the integrity and honesty bit, harvey you need to be having words with your ecu man Andrew Leech regards his posts as Proteus, clean up your own act first before mouthing off at others would be my advice.
Last edited by RB5289; Oct 19, 2006 at 11:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by Sigma ECU
The very first 'ECU' (a prototype - nicknamed the spaghetti ECU) was tested on a rally car which was at that time owned by Mouse. The reason for this was that I needed a real engine/vehicle to test the ECU on, and Mouse offered his car as such. It was the first ECU I had designed for a Subaru, and it was a 'proof of concept' type unit. Other than being 'mappable' it had no more functionality than the OEM ECU, it actually had less. It originally had no functionality, such as ALS. It had no proper mapping software, and needed hex editors and compliers to change things.
It was fitted to this particular car because it was available, not because it was a rally car. Andrew Leech
It was fitted to this particular car because it was available, not because it was a rally car. Andrew Leech
The ECU that is discussed above did in fact also control the electronic centre diff. Your involvement with us was to build a rally ECU as a cheaper alternative than the GEMS to run on the rally cars we were building to clubman spec, we had no involvement with the fast road car market.
I can't understand why you are implying otherwise?
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Perhaps because harvey says it was designed from a blank sheet ?
Originally Posted by harvey
Look Pal, I am not answerable to you. I don't have to justify the SIGMA ECU to you. It is you who is creating the SIGMA / Apexi problem. You are talking through a hole in your bum. Don't criticise what I have done when you are not in receipt of the facts. Who do you think you are ?
Now you are really talking out your ***. There is no way the SIGMA was intended for Rally use, for lots of reasons. It was designed from a blank sheet of paper as a road car ECU with aircon etc.
Now you are really talking out your ***. There is no way the SIGMA was intended for Rally use, for lots of reasons. It was designed from a blank sheet of paper as a road car ECU with aircon etc.
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One thread from 09 January 2004 that I started 
https://www.scoobynet.com/drivetrain...-my97-ecu.html
PS Sorry, this was my first post/thread
https://www.scoobynet.com/drivetrain...-my97-ecu.html
PS Sorry, this was my first post/thread
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Originally Posted by Sigma ECU
"I am the owner, designer and developer of the Sigma ECU.
The ECU's (2 of) which Pat refers to as being on display on the TEG Stand at Autosport 2004, were in fact at that time blanks.
In August of 2005, the first 'real' ECU was fitted to the first customer's road car.
These are the facts, presented openly and honestly by me, the designer and owner of the ECU and I am now marketing this with Steve Simpson and would like to thank him for his considerable knowledge and input."
Andrew Leech
The ECU's (2 of) which Pat refers to as being on display on the TEG Stand at Autosport 2004, were in fact at that time blanks.
In August of 2005, the first 'real' ECU was fitted to the first customer's road car.
These are the facts, presented openly and honestly by me, the designer and owner of the ECU and I am now marketing this with Steve Simpson and would like to thank him for his considerable knowledge and input."
Andrew Leech
Originally Posted by TEG Sport
Hi All,
As I designed it, hopefully I can straighten one or two things out .......
The boards seen at the 2004 Autosport Show, are pre-production fully functional prototypes, which we have been using on a UK and Jap spec car.
Thanks
Andy
TEG Sport
As I designed it, hopefully I can straighten one or two things out .......
The boards seen at the 2004 Autosport Show, are pre-production fully functional prototypes, which we have been using on a UK and Jap spec car.
Thanks
Andy
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Guys come on.
This thread was posted by someone asking about a specific technical question..... that question did not include others flexing their muscles and taking it all personally, with a pinch of mud slinging.
If you want to result to these tactics then sign up the £25 as a SNPLUS member and use the "Fight Club" forum.
Powerwrx,
Apologies for this, but I am locking this thread now. Please feel free to re-post the thread again and this time I hope people will keep to the question in hand and not result to mud throwing.
Regards,
Shaun.
This thread was posted by someone asking about a specific technical question..... that question did not include others flexing their muscles and taking it all personally, with a pinch of mud slinging.
If you want to result to these tactics then sign up the £25 as a SNPLUS member and use the "Fight Club" forum.
Powerwrx,
Apologies for this, but I am locking this thread now. Please feel free to re-post the thread again
and this time I hope people will keep to the question in hand and not result to mud throwing.Regards,
Shaun.
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