New MY97 ECU
09 January 2004, 07:16 PM
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We found out at Autosport on thursday the MY97 ECU has been decoded
and will be available soon.A photo of the MY92-96 ECU is in the link. MY97 will be the same price and spec as MY92-96
pic 10&11
[Edited by Wonder Wagon - 1/9/2004 8:44:53 PM]
and will be available soon.A photo of the MY92-96 ECU is in the link. MY97 will be the same price and spec as MY92-96pic 10&11
[Edited by Wonder Wagon - 1/9/2004 8:44:53 PM]
09 January 2004, 08:51 PM
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All I no is that town end garage say they have decoded it and say that they can reprogram it
[Edited by Wonder Wagon - 1/9/2004 8:57:56 PM]
[Edited by Wonder Wagon - 1/9/2004 8:57:56 PM]
09 January 2004, 09:56 PM
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yep gossythevaleter was shouting they've done it they've done it they've cracked the code jumping up&down
yep gossythevaleter was shouting they've done it they've done it they've cracked the code jumping up&down
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09 January 2004, 10:39 PM
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09 January 2004, 11:45 PM
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MY97/98 has pretty much always been sorted and remappable with add on circuitry,
Just not by us DIY bods and certainly not for £100 (as per ScoobyECU).
It seems that that's still the case.....although this example would be reprogrammable from a Laptop rather then pulling the chips and re-blowing.
I'm sure there is an adaptor PCB that can be imported from Japan for the MY97/98... just use a good Jap search engine as MY97/98 maps are available if the hardware if fitted to support them.
[Edited by Scott.T - 1/9/2004 11:49:09 PM]
Just not by us DIY bods and certainly not for £100 (as per ScoobyECU).
It seems that that's still the case.....although this example would be reprogrammable from a Laptop rather then pulling the chips and re-blowing.
I'm sure there is an adaptor PCB that can be imported from Japan for the MY97/98... just use a good Jap search engine as MY97/98 maps are available if the hardware if fitted to support them.
[Edited by Scott.T - 1/9/2004 11:49:09 PM]
10 January 2004, 12:46 AM
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£895 for this latest offering is not what I would call cheap. when the Pre96's can be done for £100 (or less, as I was)
An Adaptor board for a Pre96 was about £25 imported from Japan when I looked a couple of years back (although the ScoobyECU PCB was/is manafacured in the UK).
I'm sure the MY97/98 would be the same. All you do it populate it with a few devices (which won't break the bank), solder it to the headers in the ECU, set a few jumpers and your ready to start playing.
It looks like this latest offering does the job, but provides alot more then the average MY97/98 owner wants.
The majority just want more power then a stock ECU is mapped to provide.
[Edited by Scott.T - 1/10/2004 12:54:30 AM]
An Adaptor board for a Pre96 was about £25 imported from Japan when I looked a couple of years back (although the ScoobyECU PCB was/is manafacured in the UK).
I'm sure the MY97/98 would be the same. All you do it populate it with a few devices (which won't break the bank), solder it to the headers in the ECU, set a few jumpers and your ready to start playing.
It looks like this latest offering does the job, but provides alot more then the average MY97/98 owner wants.
The majority just want more power then a stock ECU is mapped to provide.
[Edited by Scott.T - 1/10/2004 12:54:30 AM]
10 January 2004, 02:29 PM
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I still don't understand what this product is. The pic shows a completely new drop in ecu.... not an add on board?
Also as Scott says Power Engineering have been remapping MY97/98 ecu's for as long as i can remember.... so not sure why people are jumping around (not at £895 plus vat anyway!). The japs have been doing this for even longer???
Can anybody make out the manufactures name on the main board from the pics on the link?
Tony.
Also as Scott says Power Engineering have been remapping MY97/98 ecu's for as long as i can remember.... so not sure why people are jumping around (not at £895 plus vat anyway!). The japs have been doing this for even longer???
Can anybody make out the manufactures name on the main board from the pics on the link?
Tony.
10 January 2004, 05:49 PM
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Err i dont meen to be funny but no body can remap the 97/98 ecu as it has a higher bit code dont ask why i just know this as i have a 98 and no body can remap my ecu
Why pay£1000+ for a link or gems or ecutek when town end who in all fairness are a very reputable company who know what there doin have come up with a cheaper option thats as good as if not better than all above
Admittable time will tell if this is good plus it has a lot of facilities for things like nos, water injection, dccd,
I for one will certainly be talking to TEG when they have the ecu for the 98 as i cant justify spendin a min of £1200 for an ecu then have to pay £ex per adition of anything done to the car its just economics guys
Why pay£1000+ for a link or gems or ecutek when town end who in all fairness are a very reputable company who know what there doin have come up with a cheaper option thats as good as if not better than all above
Admittable time will tell if this is good plus it has a lot of facilities for things like nos, water injection, dccd,
I for one will certainly be talking to TEG when they have the ecu for the 98 as i cant justify spendin a min of £1200 for an ecu then have to pay £ex per adition of anything done to the car its just economics guys
10 January 2004, 05:53 PM
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Yer you can get cheap Chips for pre 97 but there is nothing on the market for 97 on so yes this is good and cant wait to try it out as i hope to be one of the first
Plus i dont trust a chip as all it does is give false info to the ECU this is done properly Which is SAFE
Plus i dont trust a chip as all it does is give false info to the ECU this is done properly Which is SAFE
10 January 2004, 07:21 PM
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Sorry but you are wrong. PE did their phase 1 for MY97/98s. They may not do this now due but there was a group buy which included these years not so long ago 
. Just do a search for Power Engineering phase 1 and you will see plenty of info on this, or ask Moray MacKenzie (Sti version IV iirc) about his phase 1 remap and how it effected his engine . Also do a search on 22b.com
Tony.
. Just do a search for Power Engineering phase 1 and you will see plenty of info on this, or ask Moray MacKenzie (Sti version IV iirc) about his phase 1 remap and how it effected his engine . Also do a search on 22b.comTony.
10 January 2004, 07:29 PM
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Plus a chip doesn't give false info to the ecu . the chip contains all the information that the ecu 'looks up'. It doesn't alter any signals or tamper with data. Prodrive fitted 'chips' to all there pre99 cars (not sure about post 99).
So this is a new ECU then and not a board..... does look interesting at that price. Gossy did TEG say when these are availiable and who actually manufactures them? They do look to have a great spec.... not sure how certain things will work, e.g lauch control will probabaly need some more sensors fitting to the car (mine has no ABS sensors to use) etc.
Tony.
. the chip contains all the information that the ecu 'looks up'. It doesn't alter any signals or tamper with data. Prodrive fitted 'chips' to all there pre99 cars (not sure about post 99).So this is a new ECU then and not a board..... does look interesting at that price. Gossy did TEG say when these are availiable and who actually manufactures them? They do look to have a great spec.... not sure how certain things will work, e.g lauch control will probabaly need some more sensors fitting to the car (mine has no ABS sensors to use) etc.
Tony.
10 January 2004, 07:32 PM
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Just found the info from PE's web site:
Tony.
[Edited by Tone Loc - 1/10/2004 7:32:37 PM]
For 97-98 UK model cars, we use an additional board which fits into your ECU and allows us access to the complex software inside. For 99-03 model cars, we use EcuTek software to reprogram your ECU via the diagnostic port of the car. Power Engineering worked closely with EcuTek to develop this software, and as a result are the most experienced tuners to have this facility.
We retain all the car's clever electronics but re-map ignition curves, fuel maps and the closed loop boost control system. The ECU remains programmable so if in the future something needs to be changed then we can. The car will retain all of its civilised characteristics and legal emissions.
The only way to tell that that either conversion has been performed is to drive the car. There are no visual clues. Even the Subaru diagnostic tool does not show that the ECU has undergone brain surgery
We retain all the car's clever electronics but re-map ignition curves, fuel maps and the closed loop boost control system. The ECU remains programmable so if in the future something needs to be changed then we can. The car will retain all of its civilised characteristics and legal emissions.
The only way to tell that that either conversion has been performed is to drive the car. There are no visual clues. Even the Subaru diagnostic tool does not show that the ECU has undergone brain surgery
[Edited by Tone Loc - 1/10/2004 7:32:37 PM]
10 January 2004, 10:08 PM
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Also on there web site you Pay
Just for the the map and the Plug in board board
But Does it have the following ?
Switchable soft ALS
Active Diff Control
Water Spray/Injection outputs
Switch controled Dual Maps "yes"
Launch Control
Staged Shift light outputs
LCD graphics Display as in WRC cars !
Self Diagnostics & limp home mode "poss yes£
All that for £895+ Vat Fitted and mapped
To me that is far more Value for money Than PE offer
I know which i'm going to have me thinks
And the Graphics Display and Guage displays are the nuts the demo on the stand was excelent, Who need Defi's when you can have the whole hog
ScoobyECU for sale soon
Phase 2 ECU Upgrade (MY 97-98 UK Turbo cars)
Price: £625.00 (£734.38 inc.VAT)
Price: £625.00 (£734.38 inc.VAT)
But Does it have the following ?
Switchable soft ALS
Active Diff Control
Water Spray/Injection outputs
Switch controled Dual Maps "yes"
Launch Control
Staged Shift light outputs
LCD graphics Display as in WRC cars !
Self Diagnostics & limp home mode "poss yes£
All that for £895+ Vat Fitted and mapped
To me that is far more Value for money Than PE offer
I know which i'm going to have me thinks
And the Graphics Display and Guage displays are the nuts the demo on the stand was excelent, Who need Defi's when you can have the whole hog
ScoobyECU for sale soon
11 January 2004, 09:56 AM
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all iam saying is that PE plus all the others told me that my UK98 wagon was not mappable i dont know why PE told me this when you have info saying they do 
As soon as i ahve the info from TEG i will let you all know
As soon as i ahve the info from TEG i will let you all know
11 January 2004, 10:13 AM
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I think that PE would rather do the later cars that can be done via Ecutek.... far easier for them.
To be honest tho it looks like this ecu is much better anyway than the phase 1. Put's it right at the price range of the Link and Microtek (both around £600 plus vat unmapped). This does have more featurers but i'd like to know how they would get launch control to work on my car..... doesn't have ABS so im guessing extra sensors (price???). Be interested to know the spec of the processor too. Plus the pic shows the board is less populated than my Link.... which i thought would be hard to do .
Time will tell..... if you get any more info Gossy i'd be very interested.
Cheers,
Tony.
To be honest tho it looks like this ecu is much better anyway than the phase 1. Put's it right at the price range of the Link and Microtek (both around £600 plus vat unmapped). This does have more featurers but i'd like to know how they would get launch control to work on my car..... doesn't have ABS so im guessing extra sensors (price???). Be interested to know the spec of the processor too. Plus the pic shows the board is less populated than my Link.... which i thought would be hard to do
.Time will tell..... if you get any more info Gossy i'd be very interested.
Cheers,
Tony.
11 January 2004, 10:41 AM
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I know i am interested i this as iam plaaning a couple of likkle mods on my car and cant justify the X££££ it will cost to have a link gems or motec etc so i have told teg that i want all the info asap so time will tell
They think it will be a couple more months till it is ready for general sale but i for one cant wait
They think it will be a couple more months till it is ready for general sale but i for one cant wait
11 January 2004, 11:16 AM
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Tony, you are right about the PE 97/98 option. There's currently a group buy going on IIRC.
What they will not do, is touch a V3/V4 STi with a barge pole.
So us people with one, have no option other than the usual GEMS LINK etc...
There is a big gap there if someone comes out with an option such as Scott has suggested, and can market it as a pckage.
MB
What they will not do, is touch a V3/V4 STi with a barge pole.
So us people with one, have no option other than the usual GEMS LINK etc...
There is a big gap there if someone comes out with an option such as Scott has suggested, and can market it as a pckage.
MB
11 January 2004, 08:52 PM
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I think everything has been 'Well' said, apart form the 'Chip fooling the ECU bit'.
In my mind unless you are going to extremes a remapped/rechipped ECU is far more reliable especially for the day-to-day tasks of running the car i.e cold start, cold running, cold-to-warm transition etc...etc...
Also the Subaru ECU doesn't only control the performance. Just look at the pin-out to see what else it has control or input from.
It may be a good price compared to PE Phase 1 remap. but it will take alot of work to make it as reliabke as a standard ECU.
Also PE use a small board with the remapped chips attached. As mentioned before this is all that a ScoobyECU Adaptor is and I am sure a MY97/98 piece of hardware would be available in Japan for under £40.
I may have a link to a website for such an item.... I'll try and dig it out tommorrow.
P.S It wasn't a sales pitch on my part, as I stopped supplying to 92-96 cars before Christmas due to Family commitments and lack of genuine blank device.
I used the genuine chip for the job rather then the ScoobyECU adaptor for my last 70 or so. These are hard to get hold of, so it gave me another reason/excuse to stop.......Oh!!!! there may of been a bit of nagging from the wife too....
In my mind unless you are going to extremes a remapped/rechipped ECU is far more reliable especially for the day-to-day tasks of running the car i.e cold start, cold running, cold-to-warm transition etc...etc...
Also the Subaru ECU doesn't only control the performance. Just look at the pin-out to see what else it has control or input from.
It may be a good price compared to PE Phase 1 remap. but it will take alot of work to make it as reliabke as a standard ECU.
Also PE use a small board with the remapped chips attached. As mentioned before this is all that a ScoobyECU Adaptor is and I am sure a MY97/98 piece of hardware would be available in Japan for under £40.
I may have a link to a website for such an item.... I'll try and dig it out tommorrow.
P.S It wasn't a sales pitch on my part, as I stopped supplying to 92-96 cars before Christmas due to Family commitments and lack of genuine blank device.
I used the genuine chip for the job rather then the ScoobyECU adaptor for my last 70 or so. These are hard to get hold of, so it gave me another reason/excuse to stop.......Oh!!!! there may of been a bit of nagging from the wife too....
11 January 2004, 09:46 PM
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you can get the boards for the 97-98, grid in japan produce them iirc.. im someone wants to give me a schematic then Ill create one branded scoobyecu
97-98 is remappable as per 92-96.. see other threads...
people like PE us FPGA's to stop people reading code out of the eproms
we have dumps of std 97 - 98 maps.. they literally fall out the select port
We also have most of the pin outs for the headers..
I dont have a 97-98 though so dont really care.. We were in this because we had cars that were aged 92 - 96
David
97-98 is remappable as per 92-96.. see other threads...
people like PE us FPGA's to stop people reading code out of the eproms
we have dumps of std 97 - 98 maps.. they literally fall out the select port
We also have most of the pin outs for the headers..
I dont have a 97-98 though so dont really care.. We were in this because we had cars that were aged 92 - 96
David