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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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economy isnt that good in them, not much different I dont think to petrol cars
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the hire car guy when he delivered the car said, dont worry about those consumption figures on the dash being low, he said I have been ragging it.

The figures when he delivered it were over 40 mpg, currently I think they are on 36.* mpg
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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its scary on the motorway though as you dont realise how fast your going as there is no sense of speed, few times yesterday on the M65 I looked at the speedo and it was touching 100
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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ooh I believe I got a corner then as well
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:15 AM
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you shouldnt speed

Morning BTW

didnt snow much - when it started yesterday it was banging it down then it just stopped - I expected it to be fookin massive this morning - ready for some 4 wheel drifts (sort of)
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jaytc2003
its scary on the motorway though as you dont realise how fast your going as there is no sense of speed, few times yesterday on the M65 I looked at the speedo and it was touching 100
think you've just answered the question on why i keep going on about diesels !!!
and its still giving more than 36mpg!!!!!
apart from competition use petrol cars are dead, 12p a litre less just to try and make them competitive!!!

an old topgear was on dave last week were they bought supercars for less than £10k, the stig put a lap time in round there track in an astra diesel and they coudn't beat it !!!!!!
diesel its the future

what are subaru pushing now not the rally car anyway they haven't got one and thats all everybody knows them for
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobyverysoon
you shouldnt speed

Morning BTW

didnt snow much - when it started yesterday it was banging it down then it just stopped - I expected it to be fookin massive this morning - ready for some 4 wheel drifts (sort of)

on tv down south it looks great!!, i was wanting to out in the 4x4 pickup up the snake pass etc with a mate in his 4x4 bashing some drifts
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 51st state

on tv down south it looks great!!, i was wanting to out in the 4x4 pickup up the snake pass etc with a mate in his 4x4 bashing some drifts
snake pass was open this morning
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:48 AM
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Morning big H - you ring that Wii guy?
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jaytc2003
hope the pilots got out alive, its weird how is seems to be catching fire all over. Most aircraft fires are localised


It's not on fire?

It's pulling a high G turn and what you can see is something to do with the moisture in the air and the difference in pressure from where it was (minding its own business) to getting blasted at several hundred mph around the leading edges of the wings.

Quite a few of the passenger planes I've been on do the same on take off and landing.

A quick Google search:
Water vapor is present in air and is normally invisible. For a given amount of pressure, that water vapor will remain unseen. Clouds form when a moist air mass encounters an area of low enough pressure to cause the water to condense. An example is when moist air rises. Atmospheric pressure declines as alitude goes up. As an air mass rises, due to terrain or other reasons, the pressure drops, water condenses and clouds form.

A propeller tip, rotor tip, wing tip and even just the upper surface of the wing can produce enough of a pressure drop to cause the available moisture in the air to condense. If the aircraft is in very cold air, the condensate will freeze. If not, it will only last a few seconds or until the pressure stabilizes


God, I can't wait to get a job - I have far too much time on my hands.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:10 AM
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you two need to stop spending so long cleaning cars, bp garages tend to have an offer on the bristle automatic type monday to friday




It gives me something to do instead of slobbing on the sofa watching sh!te daytime tv!
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jaytc2003
economy isnt that good in them, not much different I dont think to petrol cars
2003 Subaru Impreza STi, mildly modded to 340bhp - £60 V-Power = 220 miles
2000 Subaru Impreza UK Turbo, remapped to 242bhp - £60 V-Power = 310 miles
2005 Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi, unmodified 150bhp version - £60 Sainsbury's City Diesel = 560 miles.

Admittedly based on "motorway miles" but the figures speak for themselves. You also physically get less fuel in the tank with £60 of diesel as it costs that wee bit more but the car still goes further on less fuel.

I do miss the power when overtaking in the Vectra though.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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Back to the vapour:

YouTube - BA 777 Takeoff Heathrow 09R

Skip to 1:00 and you see an example of it.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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Right. I'm off to take the dogs for their second walk of the day before I go crazy.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by paulthejambo


It's not on fire?

It's pulling a high G turn and what you can see is something to do with the moisture in the air and the difference in pressure from where it was (minding its own business) to getting blasted at several hundred mph around the leading edges of the wings.

Quite a few of the passenger planes I've been on do the same on take off and landing.
I know my attempt at humour
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Originally Posted by paulthejambo
2003 Subaru Impreza STi, mildly modded to 340bhp - £60 V-Power = 220 miles
2000 Subaru Impreza UK Turbo, remapped to 242bhp - £60 V-Power = 310 miles
2005 Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi, unmodified 150bhp version - £60 Sainsbury's City Diesel = 560 miles.

Admittedly based on "motorway miles" but the figures speak for themselves. You also physically get less fuel in the tank with £60 of diesel as it costs that wee bit more but the car still goes further on less fuel.

I do miss the power when overtaking in the Vectra though.
maybe I should have said not much difference to normal petrol cars. Mid range grunt on the td though is surprising. Cant wait to get a cougar though
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jaytc2003
I know my attempt at humour

LOL.

My attempt at passing the time.

I'm so bored!

Details of my new job are in the post today so hopefully I'll be accepting it and starting to get out of the house on a daily basis!
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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crikey loads of activity here today
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by paulthejambo
LOL.

My attempt at passing the time.

I'm so bored!

Details of my new job are in the post today so hopefully I'll be accepting it and starting to get out of the house on a daily basis!
excellant news, im bored here at work (I know you would rather be working etc) I have 2 months of literally doing nothing, just here as a contingancy plan in case there is industrial action elsewhere.
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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had some good news today though, mortgage is up for renewal in april and our existing lender have given us a new deal that means we pay nearly £300 per month less

Means I can get a job with less pay and we wont be worse off, therefore should be easier for me to find something
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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mrs goes back to work in march, she is doing 3 days a week (longer hours) for march though she has to do 3 days but she will get a full months pay due to holidays she has accrued.

More nandos for me
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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maybe I should have said not much difference to normal petrol cars. Mid range grunt on the td though is surprising. Cant wait to get a cougar though
The problem now is that diesel engines have had to be refined so much to satisfy the customer's desire for petrol performance and traditional diesel economy that they have lost alot of what the old engines were good at. My uncle had a load of Montego estates's working for Xerox and even with a full van kit in the boot he could pull away in second (if needed). Sounded horrendous though!

The Vectra has very little low down (turbo not spooled up), then lights up the tyres between 2000 and 3000rpm and then nothing after that.

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must admit the astra has it all over apart from 1st gear (probably to prevent wheelspin)
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just looking into bluefin on a cougar, it appears that its not really worth it, so as the standard ecu can be remapped I am gonna look at that
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must admit the astra has it all over apart from 1st gear (probably to prevent wheelspin)
Maybe the Vectra is fooked.

It's more consistent when it warms up though.
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Originally Posted by paulthejambo
Maybe the Vectra is fooked.

It's more consistent when it warms up though.
maybe it limits torque in the lower gears, I suppose as its longer than an astra there would be more chance of wheelspin as the cars weight is over a greater length
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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morning all :
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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ho hum, nearly 16000 posts
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seeing as I have nothing to do..............
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