.....eh??.

 

Unclebuck,you've threatened to leave more times than Orla did to leave BB6........

 

That's the whole point of statistics!! And you trust the UK government?

I think what those statistics show is what a good job the UK legal system and police are doing.

Total crimes committed in Germany is higher than UK
Murder rates (per capita) are higher in the US, Australia, Canada and France
Rapes are higher in the US, but equivalent to France and Germany
Assaults are higher in the US, NZ, slightly less in Australia and Canada
Australia, Denmark, Finland and NZ have higher burglary rates.
US, Canada, Spain, Germany, Portugal all have higher firearms offence rates.
Norway, Switzerland, NZ, US, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, Germany, Finland, Iceland all have higher rates of drug offences.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_dru_off&int=-1

Go live in NZ/Aus/US/Canada etc, enjoy the much better lifestyles and weather, but if you are going expecting to not come home and find your place burgled by a heroin addict or you car broken into then you may be disappointed.

 

I will leave as soon as I can afford buy my own Island with a great big castle on it to live in. I will declare my Island its own independant country. Then I will allow people to live there and be my loyal subjects and live in perfrect harmony. Only interesting acrticulate and attractive people will be allowed on and I will have absolute right to imprison any one who pisses me off. It will be a bit like dr no's Island but when James bond comes I will kick his **** and **** Ursula Andress.



Everyone needs a dream.

 

I wonder how the locals in whichever country people would emigrate to would view this wave of dissatified Brits? Apply the same standards that are applied to immigrants to the UK and think how well you could integrate into another country:-

- language, you have to learn the local lingo to integrate properly
- location, don't live in big communities with other British/English langage speakers, you don't want to ghetto-ize the country you're moving to
- "cricket test", your offspring will need to support the football/rugby/cricket etc team of the country you are moving to otherwise how can you be said to be integrated. Can you accept your children cheering on another country, maybe playing against your mother country?
- diet, don't whinge that you can't get Jaffa cakes, decent cheddar, Branston pickle etc, adapt to the local cuisine.
- culture, you may not be able to continue your current hobbies/pastimes because they are alien in the country you are going to. Can you cope with changing your interests?
- how much of a wrench will it be to leave behind family and your best mates?
- outsider, can you cope with the thought that you might always be treated differently (maybe even discriminated against) because you are a foreigner?

Depending on the country, integrating is easier in some than in others. But don't think that it's all positive. Compared to the UK, irrespective of the other country you might move to, there will be some downsides. On balance it may be better, but it may be worse. Don't always believe the grass is greener.

 

I spend aot of time out in Spain at the moment.

And I can catorgorically state it is impossible to go anywhere in that country and not meet an Englishman..even in winter. This is not tourist resorts or colonies either. I could be in the middle of nowhere. Pop in a bar for a drink, and I'll hear the loudest cockney shouting at the top of their voice and find a Stringfellow lookalike sat at the bar. And I think bloody hell, is there anywhere I can get away from them (the English I mean )?

Nobody seems to have UK emmigration figures (too much focus on immigration ) but I'd say the figures would be too high for comfort for the government in terms of loss of taxpayers.

Statistics are dodgy at the best of times no matter what good or bad or side your looking from. The fact most people don't consider is the concetration of population of all mixes of life (and morals) in the UK as one of the biggest factors of the problems in the country. Where almost every other country has more space and much less people. And that coincides with less criminals per sqKm or capita.

Not to mention "recorded" crime. What happens on both sides that doesn't get reported needs to be considered - but it is immeasurable. The UK press seems to be on a good scaremongering trip at the moment about ex-pats being victims of crime. But the highlight of this is by far disproportionate to what happens in the UK simply beacuse we used to and bored of hearing of it.

Also consider that crime figures abroad maybe high because they have better, less tolerant and more stricter policing than the UK (I'd love to see a Chav mess with the Guardia Civil ). On the flipside there could be more corruption, who knows...Uk police is pretty bad (re: 159mph copper ), but it's not measured in statistics, so we'll never know.

Also think that crime stats are usually higher in deprived areas. Then think of with the money you have, and where that would get you in buying house in a clean pleasent low crime area in the UK, then consider how far the same amount of cash would get you in another country. Almost always the answer is better and less run-down areas, housing with garages rather than parking in the street on view and ready for the next chav to key your pride and joy or break in your house to nick the keys - that is just one example. Also you wouldn't have to endure the "trickle down" crime from the council housing scum from the estate ten minutes walk from your nice litle suburb. Because abroad you can afford a better place somewhere else in a better area with the same money.

My verdict is the Grass IS Greener, as long as you look at where you are going. Life, costs and living is better. The biggest issue is work, depending on your trade you may struggle, but that is something you look into properly before deciding where to move to, which includes moving within the UK. It would be stupid to think any differently if moving abroad.

 

I have friends that are off to Canada early next year. My neice has just moved to Oz and I'm off to New Zealnd for a fact finder next summer.

I see no point in staying in this country

 

Purposefully havent boght a house in the uk...as Im off in a few years.

 

Got me thinking, had a look at emigrating to Oz, seems that I qualify as I am on the list of occupations they are after (Oracle DBA), you need 120 points, I got 135, i could sell the house and buy a large percentage of NSW, i.e. Cheshire prices v Oz prices, well over a Million Oz Dollars, going to see what kind of place that could buy, just playing dont think I could ever do it.

 

Heres one for Lua Pra Bang !

http://realestate.escapeartist.com/P-32198/

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3982217.stm

 

That is my Island time to see the bank manager. Only 314,000 pounds. Who wants to invest in my new country.

 

Interesting, pity it doesn't quantify what is permanent emmigration, or temporary (holidays or business abroad could be classed as emmigration).

It's only recently that Passport control have actually started logging me entering back into the UK. So its always made me wonder what means do the government use to measure outflow (my passport has never been logged upon leaving the UK). Unless they are tracking my mobile phone