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Old 15 May 2005, 05:48 PM
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Who's that gorgeous hunk in the yellow shirt

Great result for you mate, and reward for all that hard work.

Bob is a wizzard with the lap-top and has unleashed a torrent of power from my 2.5 He spent a full four hours on my car and two and a half of those hard driving. He's meticulous. I'll write it up when I'm confident the gearbox is going to stay in one piece.

Just been for a blast around my favourite roads and had to quickly adjust my braking points

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Old 15 May 2005, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Oh and it still gave me 280 miles to the tank!
If you're anything like me Floyd that figure will soon drop when you start using more of the cars new potential... I've only just managed to limp over 200 the past few tanks.

The second time Andy mapped mine was in motorway and i found myself wondering the same thing. Cruising along being overtaken etc and then all of a sudden you're flat out in fourth at xxx mph going past everyone again... with wires hanging out of the exhaust.
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Old 16 May 2005, 08:47 AM
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I've resisted going out in it again over the w/e I want it to stay like this and only drive it now and then so that I don't get used to it very quickly, otherwise I'll want more as Tim predicts...

The fuel consumption will go down I'm sure but I thought it would have guzzled it during and after the mapping session.

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drive it like you stole it Floyd
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Old 16 May 2005, 12:46 PM
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Its nice when a project comes together.

Are you thinking of attending the RR day later this month @ PS?

It really does feel like a different car with th TD05...3 heavyweight Autobahn stormers didnt know what hit em last night when they got 'Scoobied' on the m/way. Reached the speedos limit rather quickly without realising

You put the hard work in and now you get to enjoy it



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Old 16 May 2005, 01:28 PM
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Are you thinking of attending the RR day later this month @ PS?
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Hmmm, there's an idea!

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Old 16 May 2005, 02:09 PM
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I may well go if you are up for it?
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Old 16 May 2005, 02:25 PM
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What date/time? I looked in 'southern' but couldn't find any details.

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Old 16 May 2005, 02:37 PM
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May 28th.

Thread is in Midlands.
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Old 16 May 2005, 03:04 PM
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i won't be doing anymore RRs, not got time to swap my exhaust over everytime
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i won't be doing anymore RRs, not got time to swap my exhaust over everytime
why do you have to swap the exhaust over?
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Old 16 May 2005, 05:29 PM
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the WRC system hangs under the diff on mine, grounds the car out if you drop the wheels into the rollers course, i didn't realise this till the car was being reversed onto them
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Old 16 May 2005, 10:41 PM
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Bob didnt give you a delta dash estimate then? pity....
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Old 17 May 2005, 08:00 AM
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I didn't ask! I wasn't aware that I could I did ask for a guesstimate but that's all it is until I RR it.

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Old 17 May 2005, 08:36 AM
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so what do you say re RR day mate?
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Old 17 May 2005, 08:59 AM
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I didn't ask! I wasn't aware that I could I did ask for a guesstimate but that's all it is until I RR it.

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Did he make you do a run from 1800 rpm to redline flat out - if so that is the delta dash reading. What did he estimate?
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Old 17 May 2005, 09:52 AM
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I didn't do a 1800rpm - flat out. So I guess that he didn't delta dash it. I'll fire off an email to him just in case he did something though.

Bob, its tempting. I'll ask my 'partner in crime' (the yellow shirted chap) if he's interested too.

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Old 17 May 2005, 10:12 AM
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Okay mate. I just need an excuse to go

What was Bobs guestimate?

What boost?

Injectors %?
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Old 17 May 2005, 12:15 PM
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I didn't know about the Delta Dash thing, and no I didn't do an 1,800rpm to redline squirt. But I did ask bob for some estimated figures, which I've published here. They're only a guess, but I trust Bob's judgement (more than most dynos ) and I know he would not exagerate merely to flatter.

F, you mean Power Station? I'd prefer PE for some strange reason but would also like to talk suspension with the guys at PS.

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Old 20 May 2005, 01:26 PM
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Right then, I've booked a session at PS on the RR day (28th) so we'll see what's what, as they say. Hoppy will be there too

How do PS figures compare with PE these days, now that they have moved location? is there still a 15 - 20BHP difference?

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Old 28 May 2005, 04:35 PM
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Arrow The Result...

Thanks to Andy (Fuzz) for organising the day and Bob Iles for letting me push in

Well, I didn't know what to expect. I had an idea that the car feels quick so must be in the late 200's. My goal was 300 of course but you never can tell.

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It's a bit low on torque but its such a flat delivery that I never feel short changed. The graph shows pictorially how it drives on the road. A stab on the throttle gives a one second pause before it feels like a giant hand has got hold of my rear bumper and flung me up the road.

So 333BHP it is I'm quite happy with this result and I think I did well in comparison to the other cars that were there (see Midlands section for all results). Bob Rawl, you're a star - the map is spot on.

Approximately £16/BHP! DIY power rules

Thanks also to contirbuters and suppliers of parts, secondhand and new as well as hints, tips and input from the chaps on Projects and SN/22B.

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PS If I changed my stock headers for Gruppe S and added a 3inch exhaust and perhaps a TD05 20g... Oh dear here we go!
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Old 28 May 2005, 04:38 PM
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I forgot to say that on the way home a Clio 182 caught up with me in some traffic. I've not had such an enjoyable blast in a long time - thanks who ever you are.

Those Clios are mighty quick and I'm sure if I had a std Scoob I would have been monstered As it was I could pull away with ease but they still suprised me just how fast they were.

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Old 28 May 2005, 05:53 PM
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Nice, especially on a top mount Makes up for your first run in the car at PS at least
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Old 28 May 2005, 06:20 PM
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Agree those Clio's ARE very fast. Had a similar experience to you not long after the RR @ 407 bhp, turbo lag really show up under 'surprise' circumstances...

The headers/TD05 20g with push it along yet again, that's about another £1000+ though you all seem to find deals where I cant

Great result on the RR, just get ready to scratch the itch for 400 x ???

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Old 28 May 2005, 09:07 PM
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Good point Tim. Top mount, OE headers and 3 silencer, 2.5 exhaust.

Graham, the gearbox is the next limiting factor.

I know know what 333 feels like so what the hell is 450 (Fuzz)

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Old 29 May 2005, 02:32 AM
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good result Floyd. All the hard work paid off.

Bet it feels great. Just need to get it on the blackstuff now.

btw, why are the transmission losses so high ? Is that normal? What was the torque reading in lbs? Boost level?

Enjoy!

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Old 29 May 2005, 11:35 AM
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If you read the results of the RR day in the midlands section you'll see there are many with similar losses and much worse! Not sure why. I had 100bhp loss on my first run 5 years ago.

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Old 29 May 2005, 11:59 AM
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nice what bar of boost did you end up mapping it to? and what's that torque in old money?
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Nice one Floyd.

The gf keeps going on about buying one of those Clios, perhaps she should be encouraged?
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Old 29 May 2005, 11:40 PM
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Looks like we need to raise the rev limit !!! Don't worry about the torque, due to the relatively slow run up PS torque figs are always like that, what impressed me about the car when mapping it was genuinely what you see, good flat torque curve and pulls forever, whatever the numbers are the curve shape's replicate what its like for real, Floyd I think I mentioned at the time your car has one of the best balanced mod packages I have ever come across, turbo porting was spot on. It was a pleasure to map it. We had a couple of "picky" areas but seems it ended up pretty good.

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