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Old 01 April 2005, 07:08 AM
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Good going!
Will do the pics this afternoon for the evenings 'look-in' on the Snet.

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Old 01 April 2005, 07:52 AM
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Anyone know if you can paint the TMIC without it all flaking off? I'm thinking that I'd like to see it in black like the original TMIC.

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Old 01 April 2005, 08:01 AM
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cant see why not, but black attract's more heat
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Old 01 April 2005, 10:03 AM
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^^^ what he said, keep it silver to reflect the heat
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Old 01 April 2005, 01:27 PM
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But my physics teacher did a demo that showed how black radiates heat more, therefore the heat will be transfered quicker from the hot compressed air to the cooling matrix. I thought that's why the old one was black? I also realise that this works the other way too - the trick would be to keep the matrix cool once the heat had beed transfered away, perhaps by using fans at idle... It all makes sense now!

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Old 01 April 2005, 04:02 PM
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Some pics as promised:







Not exactly rocket science etc, but does the job.

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ps: hose in the post.
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Old 01 April 2005, 11:10 PM
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My next problemo will be the dump valve. It looks like a tight squeeze in there but it should fit. I will need to work out how to feed a hose down to the inlet pipe...

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Old 02 April 2005, 01:54 AM
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DV does fit but is tight...touches the coil-pack. I used samco to connect to re-circ pipe. Had to cut out the inside to make it bigger. Pipe is at a bit of an tight angle.

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Old 02 April 2005, 09:56 AM
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ive got a forge recirc one on mine and there is loads of room
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Old 02 April 2005, 11:57 AM
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Have you got a picture Steve?

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Old 03 April 2005, 12:15 AM
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Steve, you sure that's a recirc? Looks like VTA to me

I've made a mistake. On my first post I said my car had more torque than it actually had http://dyno.scoobynet.co.uk/indexps.htm
See the first car listed Is this the lowest powered standard turbo scoob in the world???

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Old 03 April 2005, 08:31 AM
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On the 'matt black' thing.

If the general ambient temperature is 10 deg C and the TMIC is 30 then a black TMIC will dissipate the temp to the ambient quicker than a silver one.
This condition is unrealistic as we all know except in the winter maybe.

With the under bonnet temps being usually high, about 60 C, and the TMIC black,and cooler then that heat will be absorbed to the TMIC.
This condition is very realistic!

I think a silver TMIC is a good idea.

All cars use black paint as it is cheap, covers all sins and gives excellent corrosion protection.

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ps Flat: you were right about [email protected] and price of scoops!
Looks like a go at the ugly home made big scoop coming up...
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Steve, you sure that's a recirc? Looks like VTA to me
silly me thats the one
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Graham, doh silly me. I should have thought it through like that. Of course you're correct! Silver it is then.

Steve, lol.

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I used to work with heat exchangers.
Just won 'my' scoop on ebay!
Amazing.

Keep going at it!

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Graham, hose arrived, ta!

TMIC fitted today. Few, it too flippin ages to get right. Just need some dump valve samco and I can try it out. Any one knoe the correct size - 28mm?

Pics and write up later.
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looking good
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Old 04 April 2005, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
Graham, hose arrived, ta!

TMIC fitted today. Few, it too flippin ages to get right. Just need some dump valve samco and I can try it out. Any one knoe the correct size - 28mm?

Pics and write up later.
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I used the old samco. Had to cut out the inside of it at the dv end and clamp it into place tight with jubilee. Has a small kink in the pipe but cant think its going to cause probs. If measuring up for a new pipe you have to bear in mind they are slightly different sizes either end.

The first couple of time the TMIC is a PITA but once you start removing it daily it becomes very easy. I found the key to making a bit more room for it is to shorten the throttlebody samco.

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Old 04 April 2005, 02:08 PM
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Thanks Bob, I didn't check the inlet size connector I was going to replace this pipe with any old hose of the correct size from a motorfactor. Samco's take too long to arrive and cost a fortune

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Old 04 April 2005, 07:23 PM
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Arrow TMIC IV

I offered up the TMIC as in TMIC III and was able to fabricate an adapter from some ali angle:
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I replaced the i/c and put a mounting hole in the correct place. The bracket has a little horizontal movement to enable the throttle bobey to be lined up correctly:
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The near side adapter was next and the height could be fixed more accurately once the offside adapter was in place. The finished adapter (note extra hole not needed - used for a previous experiment) ready to fit:
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Old 04 April 2005, 07:35 PM
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Arrow TMIC IV cont.

The nearside bracket was a little low so I used a longer bolt and some spacers:
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The DV was a close fit, too close and some clearance was required. The coil pack was surgically enhanced, and the DV top had a little panel beating:
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The coil pack surgery revealed nothing more than potting compound thankfully. I had fears that I would expose windings
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And the clearance at the back bulkhead:
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The DV recirc pipe is another challenge. I rerouted my breathers to give more space and shifted the hot water feed to the throttle body. I will get a pipe from my local motor factors, probably. The nearside original MY99/00 bracket can be bent to fit incidentally but I chose not to. It is only a couple of cm's out but I found it easier and more accurate to make an adapter.

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Old 04 April 2005, 09:33 PM
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how much for a set of floyd adapters?
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Old 05 April 2005, 08:46 AM
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Floyd:
Have you tried to gently close your bonnet yet?
I had my TMIC as high as yours in the pic and the bonnet would not close.

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Old 05 April 2005, 08:55 AM
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Graham, no I haven't closed the bonnet yet I was going to remove the scoop and undertray first, which I've not had time to do just yet. Bugger! The nearside should be a doddle to lower but now the offside will require a bit more thought. It may now cause clearance issues on the bulkhead...

Micky, the adapters may not be right yet!

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Old 05 April 2005, 01:55 PM
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You have done exactly what I did!
If/when you take the tray/scoop off you might find the bonnet rear underside pressing will foul on the TMIC and have to lower the rear TMIC edge a LONG way, ie 30mm.
This will mean the bracket on the side of the TMIC will come down to exacatly the same level as the mounting face of the o/s bracket originally, thus your spacer block will be in the wrong place.
As a rule of thumb, the right height is when the tube of the TMIC is exactly in-line with the throtle body diameter.

I've been there!

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Old 05 April 2005, 02:08 PM
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****! Thanks Graham, I'll check tonight.

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Old 05 April 2005, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd
In Scotland we eat our Custard Creams.

Keep up the good work Floyd.
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I feed my car 'nothing but the best' Carl

Anyway, I thought all you Scots ate hagis and heather?

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