type 'r' info please
14 May 2005, 12:14 AM
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I see there is some confusion here, it confused me lol
Right, type r.... the R is the designation of the shell type (retna), thats all it stands for, nothing else.
Now you have people comparing a type R v a type RA without DCCD, well can we start from the beginning please and ill explain it all
Right, you have the STI type R and a WRX type R, the latter being pretty rare in the uk, though there is one for sale here>> www.just-sports.org and then you get your type RA in both STi form and WRX form, now both cars in WRX form dont have the DCCD, the WRX type R will benefit from ABS, but not the type RA as it wasnt a standard feature on the wrx version (DCCD optional?)
The Type RA is a different beast to the type R because its "Race Altered", its lightened, has the 5th injector and the engine oil cooler, plus you may find it has different diffs up front over the type R.
Now the P1 doesnt quite fall into any category, though it uses the Retna shell its not really an STi, though it has an STi engine, the rest of it is a WRX, it has no DCCD, has ABS instead, no intercooler water spray etc, so this is more of a hybrid between 2 cars, putting it sort of in the middle of the STi type R and the WRX type R in terms of mechanics, though some people may disagree, the STi type R is the daddy in the R range
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Right, type r.... the R is the designation of the shell type (retna), thats all it stands for, nothing else.
Now you have people comparing a type R v a type RA without DCCD, well can we start from the beginning please and ill explain it all
Right, you have the STI type R and a WRX type R, the latter being pretty rare in the uk, though there is one for sale here>> www.just-sports.org and then you get your type RA in both STi form and WRX form, now both cars in WRX form dont have the DCCD, the WRX type R will benefit from ABS, but not the type RA as it wasnt a standard feature on the wrx version (DCCD optional?)
The Type RA is a different beast to the type R because its "Race Altered", its lightened, has the 5th injector and the engine oil cooler, plus you may find it has different diffs up front over the type R.
Now the P1 doesnt quite fall into any category, though it uses the Retna shell its not really an STi, though it has an STi engine, the rest of it is a WRX, it has no DCCD, has ABS instead, no intercooler water spray etc, so this is more of a hybrid between 2 cars, putting it sort of in the middle of the STi type R and the WRX type R in terms of mechanics, though some people may disagree, the STi type R is the daddy in the R range
Tony
14 May 2005, 09:28 AM
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Has anybody found that sometimes when you sit in the passenger seat of your own car and some other experienced driver drives it really really quickly it feels like you will never be able to match their skill and yet when you drive it really really quickly you probably are matching their times but it doesnt feel as fast.
Strange Eh?
Strange Eh?
14 May 2005, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SCOOBY_TYPE_RA
I've had my type r v-ltd for a couple of months now, but Graham at TSL drove my type ra faster and more under control than I will probably ever drive my type r... but I can drive my type r harder and faster through bends than I could with my type ra. I'm lucky to be surrounded by twisty tight country roads and the dccd definitely helps in poor conditions and it is a great help to have the front wheels pulling the car through bends.
Experienced drivers will always win in any car
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Experienced drivers will always win in any car
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Graham has been on a driving course designed to find the driver and car limits.
It obviously works!
14 May 2005, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
The Type RA is a different beast to the type R because its "Race Altered", its lightened, has the 5th injector and the engine oil cooler, plus you may find it has different diffs up front over the type R.
As you say, the RA 's come specced very basic, (manual window winders etc), as they were supposed to be the base car for Club Rallying. But most of the ones bought for the road were specced up by the buyer with electric windows and some of the other items missing from WRX's. The Type R ('Race' - I assume
) had all the goodies left in, which helped them sell in the Japan home market.
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Now the P1 doesnt quite fall into any category, though it uses the Retna shell its not really an STi, though it has an STi engine, the rest of it is a WRX, it has no DCCD, has ABS instead, no intercooler water spray etc, so this is more of a hybrid between 2 cars, putting it sort of in the middle of the STi type R and the WRX type R in terms of mechanics, though some people may disagree, the STi type R is the daddy in the R range
Tony
Tony
Basically a UK wagon loom and STI (Non DCCD) car in a 2door shell. The engine is standard STI. Made it easy to build.
So, as you say, it is not a TypeR or RA equivalent. It is a 2door STI5/6 with a rebadged back box, better knock detection and different springs and top spoiler half..
Good marketing ploy though.
14 May 2005, 10:15 AM
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Hol, i think the original P1 was a white V5, though you never see type R's in white, this was a special order, but STi in japan did the ecu for the P1 which was very similar if not the same map as the JDM STi's, just tweaked, and then they added the broquets to bring the fuel level down so that the UK owners could run them on 97 ron fuel (95 wasnt recommended 
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Re the R in type R, it actually stands for Retna, which was the code designation for the shell type, not race, which is a common mistake as only the type RA was "race altered"
Tony
)Re the R in type R, it actually stands for Retna, which was the code designation for the shell type, not race, which is a common mistake as only the type RA was "race altered
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14 May 2005, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Hol, i think the original P1 was a white V5,
Your right, a mate owns it
Does the STi type r have the 5th injector and intercooler ?
Tony
15 May 2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Hol
Graham has been on a driving course designed to find the driver and car limits.
It obviously works!
It obviously works!
Im thinking of one for myself.
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Hol, i think the original P1 was a white V5, though you never see type R's in white, this was a special order, but STi in japan did the ecu for the P1 which was very similar if not the same map as the JDM STi's, just tweaked, and then they added the broquets to bring the fuel level down so that the UK owners could run them on 97 ron fuel (95 wasnt recommended )
)I agree that it is a tweeked STI map, as ECUTEK use a standard P1 map as the starting point when tweeking STI's. It has better knock sensitivity.
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Re the R in type R, it actually stands for Retna, which was the code designation for the shell type, not race, which is a common mistake as only the type RA was "race altered "
" Just guessed on the R.Cracking cars though. Especially with the taller 5th. I do miss mine
19 May 2005, 12:45 AM
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Ok so there's lots of talk about the type R and the 22b.... wot about the P1??? ok its UK but its still based on the v5 type R. I have owned a P1 for a couple of weeks now... it seems to have so much grip. The other day I planted my foot coming out of a 3rd exit roundabout in 2nd gr and the back twitched a little bit. It seemed communicative but i was wondering if i had given more would it have swapped ends? I guess i am asking... does it tend to let you have fun and slide about with lots of flexibility? (i.e. type R style) or will it grip til the end of time and then let go all of a sudden leaving you in the ****?
19 May 2005, 12:58 AM
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saying it's based on the type-r is taking a bit too much on... it used to be one, but has softer springs, no dccd, less power...
have you got the wr pack on it?
have you got the wr pack on it?
19 May 2005, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tath
saying it's based on the type-r is taking a bit too much on... it used to be one, but has softer springs, no dccd, less power...
have you got the wr pack on it?
have you got the wr pack on it?
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20 May 2005, 07:16 AM
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Your P1 will be equivalent to drive to the 4dr STI.
50/50 centre diff and all the sure footedness that comes with it. Hence in the wet it will feel more stable and give the same feel as a DCCD wound nearer the top.
The P1 has standard STI5 dampers and springs that were designed for UK roads. I think they were slightly softer, but more porgressive as they coiled up, rather than softer with the same damping characteristics.
STI springs are obviously designed for the JDM roads. Where the car tax is probably used to resurface them and not pay for 'One legged Lesbian dancing co-ordinators' or other such civile service.
50/50 centre diff and all the sure footedness that comes with it. Hence in the wet it will feel more stable and give the same feel as a DCCD wound nearer the top.
The P1 has standard STI5 dampers and springs that were designed for UK roads. I think they were slightly softer, but more porgressive as they coiled up, rather than softer with the same damping characteristics.
STI springs are obviously designed for the JDM roads. Where the car tax is probably used to resurface them and not pay for 'One legged Lesbian dancing co-ordinators' or other such civile service.
20 May 2005, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sideways, the way forward
Softer springs!!! i doubt it.... the eibach springs on the P1 are stiffer than a morning glory!!! The power is exactly the same as well 280PS as standard factory spec for both cars! The only difference i've heard of is the non-variable dif, abs instead of intercooler spray and a wider ratio gear box (better for motorways). Plus there is no WR pack for the P1. the wr pack was for things like the rb5 boosting them to 240PS from standard..supplie by prodrive. erm..... Prodrive designed the P1!
wr pack for p1 consisted of big brakes, 18s, better exhaust and some other things - i forget...
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
I see there is some confusion here, it confused me lol
Right, type r.... the R is the designation of the shell type (retna), thats all it stands for, nothing else.
Now you have people comparing a type R v a type RA without DCCD, well can we start from the beginning please and ill explain it all
Right, you have the STI type R and a WRX type R, the latter being pretty rare in the uk, though there is one for sale here>> www.just-sports.org and then you get your type RA in both STi form and WRX form, now both cars in WRX form dont have the DCCD, the WRX type R will benefit from ABS, but not the type RA as it wasnt a standard feature on the wrx version (DCCD optional?)
The Type RA is a different beast to the type R because its "Race Altered", its lightened, has the 5th injector and the engine oil cooler, plus you may find it has different diffs up front over the type R.
Now the P1 doesnt quite fall into any category, though it uses the Retna shell its not really an STi, though it has an STi engine, the rest of it is a WRX, it has no DCCD, has ABS instead, no intercooler water spray etc, so this is more of a hybrid between 2 cars, putting it sort of in the middle of the STi type R and the WRX type R in terms of mechanics, though some people may disagree, the STi type R is the daddy in the R range
Tony
Right, type r.... the R is the designation of the shell type (retna), thats all it stands for, nothing else.
Now you have people comparing a type R v a type RA without DCCD, well can we start from the beginning please and ill explain it all
Right, you have the STI type R and a WRX type R, the latter being pretty rare in the uk, though there is one for sale here>> www.just-sports.org and then you get your type RA in both STi form and WRX form, now both cars in WRX form dont have the DCCD, the WRX type R will benefit from ABS, but not the type RA as it wasnt a standard feature on the wrx version (DCCD optional?)
The Type RA is a different beast to the type R because its "Race Altered", its lightened, has the 5th injector and the engine oil cooler, plus you may find it has different diffs up front over the type R.
Now the P1 doesnt quite fall into any category, though it uses the Retna shell its not really an STi, though it has an STi engine, the rest of it is a WRX, it has no DCCD, has ABS instead, no intercooler water spray etc, so this is more of a hybrid between 2 cars, putting it sort of in the middle of the STi type R and the WRX type R in terms of mechanics, though some people may disagree, the STi type R is the daddy in the R range
Tony
21 May 2005, 02:49 PM
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Yup there is such a thing as a WRX type R, you can find one at just sports, and then there are certain ppl on here who also have one though not me.
(have a look at the pics, no DCCD, ABS fitted, wrx badge, no sti badge etc, and i got my last car from there, plus sold my last scoob there)
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though not me.(have a look at the pics, no DCCD, ABS fitted, wrx badge, no sti badge etc, and i got my last car from there, plus sold my last scoob there
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21 May 2005, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Yup there is such a thing as a WRX type R, you can find one at just sports, and then there are certain ppl on here who also have one though not me.
(have a look at the pics, no DCCD, ABS fitted, wrx badge, no sti badge etc, and i got my last car from there, plus sold my last scoob there)
Tony
though not me.(have a look at the pics, no DCCD, ABS fitted, wrx badge, no sti badge etc, and i got my last car from there, plus sold my last scoob there
)Tony
21 May 2005, 08:44 PM
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man im 99.9% sure there is no such thing, i have checked that just-sports site and there is a red wrx type ra and a wrx type r v ltd which is an sti type r v ltd!!show me this wrx type r ur on about then!
Deffo an non STI TypeR.
21 May 2005, 09:00 PM
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Cant find the exact post I was looking for, but heres another that discusses the point.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...5&page=3&pp=20
Somewhere there is a forsale with pictures. About 18Months ago.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...5&page=3&pp=20
Somewhere there is a forsale with pictures. About 18Months ago.
21 May 2005, 10:31 PM
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If I am right and Its a big If the only differene between the WRX Type R and the Sti Type R is the WRX didn`t have waterspray. Surely if you do a search for Subaru Impreza Models it will show you the Holy grail of WRX Type R`s
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The WRX type R isnt a STi, it has ABS and no DCCD, no IC spray and no red top engine trust us, we know about these things, you can even speak to Chrisp who OWNS one
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trust us, we know about these things, you can even speak to Chrisp who OWNS one Tony
22 May 2005, 11:10 AM
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The WRX type R isnt a STi, it has ABS and no DCCD, no IC spray and no red top engine trust us, we know about these things, you can even speak to Chrisp who OWNS one
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trust us, we know about these things, you can even speak to Chrisp who OWNS one Tony
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Originally Posted by Hol
Cant find the exact post I was looking for, but heres another that discusses the point.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...5&page=3&pp=20
Somewhere there is a forsale with pictures. About 18Months ago.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...5&page=3&pp=20
Somewhere there is a forsale with pictures. About 18Months ago.
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it was produced as a shell for homologation purposes I assume - same as the early WRX RA`s. No need for a red top sti internals if your going to put a Group A build engine in, no point having a sti TMIC if that is going to be repaced with a front mount.
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On the whole the Type R's are two door, the Type RA's 4 door.
There is an exception to this that has shown up on here tonight, and tbh I have to admit I've never heard of, or come across one, before; a 2 door type RA.
The gearing between STi type RA and STi type R is similar if not identical? I'm sure someone has more accurate information- rather than being able to quote figures, all I am able to say is the ratios feel very similar in similar aged cars.
There is an exception to this that has shown up on here tonight, and tbh I have to admit I've never heard of, or come across one, before; a 2 door type RA.
The gearing between STi type RA and STi type R is similar if not identical? I'm sure someone has more accurate information- rather than being able to quote figures, all I am able to say is the ratios feel very similar in similar aged cars.
27 May 2005, 08:21 AM
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I need to clarify this as some of the olderpost may have been misread/misprinted.
Type R's are all 2door
Type RA's are all 4 Doors
You can get the more popular STI version of both cars, which share the same drivetrain, for the same years.
You can get the less popular WRX version of both cars, without all the STI/DCCD/waterspray/Redtop additions. Once again identical to the mainstream drivetrain of the standard WRX for that year.
You can get a Blue V-limited version of ALL of the above cars (Incl. Non STI) from 98 onward. Mechanically they are the same as their non vlimited couterparts, except the STI RA (Not sure on the STI-R here!), which has a taller 5th and quickrack.
RA's come as standard with very little in the way of options, most were bought with optional extras of Electic windows, AC etc,. Hence the first generation RA's are the most basic as buyers had not 'caught on'.
R's came as standard with most of the more popular options added in.
Type R's are all 2door
Type RA's are all 4 Doors
You can get the more popular STI version of both cars, which share the same drivetrain, for the same years.
You can get the less popular WRX version of both cars, without all the STI/DCCD/waterspray/Redtop additions. Once again identical to the mainstream drivetrain of the standard WRX for that year.
You can get a Blue V-limited version of ALL of the above cars (Incl. Non STI) from 98 onward. Mechanically they are the same as their non vlimited couterparts, except the STI RA (Not sure on the STI-R here!), which has a taller 5th and quickrack.
RA's come as standard with very little in the way of options, most were bought with optional extras of Electic windows, AC etc,. Hence the first generation RA's are the most basic as buyers had not 'caught on'.
R's came as standard with most of the more popular options added in.