Shimy Type R

What's with the attitude!?

All rise for Mr. High and Mighty!

Juliano

What attitude m8 !u was the 1 who questioned my 400bhp rwd car.Aint my fault if you are a doubtin tomas!

Juliano

Think you have the attitude by that quote above!

Shimy Type R

Thats not attitude mate, that's impresed with the bhp figure's.

"rollers" as in rolling road, and, "ear plugs" as in loud as f*ck listening to it on the rollers at 120 mph.

Clearly we've had ower wires crossed. No harm done mate.

P.s.
It must be one fast machine with that sort of power. Is that at the fly wheel?

Shimy.

ScoobySport (SdB)

Juliano

In it's open position, the torque will be split 65/35 (or whatever the exact figure is). Think about this for a moment...

This means that the torque will ALWAYS be split by that ratio..

So, if the front wheels are on sheet ice and the rears on super grippy tarmac, the front wheels will spin madly while the rears will remain stationary / trickle forward.

Why? The fronts do not have the ability to transmit torque as the grip level is so low, that the resistance they put up is exceeded immediately and easily. The diff then faithfully produces the torque split and takes the ratio of that amount of torque being 35%, and sends a relative 65% to the rears. 65% of "next to nothing", is still "next to nothing".

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now.. moving onto a fully locked diff.

Imagine a rear diff (for simplicity) - so the diff acting between the two rear wheels.

Lock the diff solid - in-fact just turn it into a solid rear axle with no diff at all if you like.

Now lift the car off the ground, and clamp one of the wheels solid. Start to put drive through it and neither rear wheel will turn. At this point all of the torque is being transmitted through the clamped wheel, and as the other one isn't turning at all, clearly no torque whatsoever is being transmitted through that wheel.

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So as you can see, with a fully locked diff you *can* end up with up to 100/0, 0/100 splits... as the torque split is effectively the split of resistance.

Cheers

Simon

Juliano

I understand what your saying simon a little more clearly now,In u
your opinion does the diff lock work well for eg in wet conditions! as my skyline wasnt worth bringing out in the wet as all the rw did was spin like crazy,dont want to go back to those days.



No offence taken Shimmy thought u was having a dig,misunderstood m8.It is 379bhp at the rw so over 400bhp at the fly

ScoobySport (SdB)

IMHO, the diff controller is a fabulous tool if used correctly.

Remember that the controller is infinitely adjustable.. meaning, the lights on the dash are just indicators as to the approx setting, there are any number of settings in-between the lights.

I tend to use, roughly the following...

dry conditions, just into one light, or all the way open.
damp / bumpy / uneaven - just into 2 lights, or maybe just before.
wet conditions, well into the second light, and maybe into the third depending on the conditions.

The important thing is to simply treat the set-up with respect.

The main reason for the challenging handling is actually the rear diff. It has an incredibly agressive lock, and does fully lock.

This ia right handful - as many discover - in the wet, so you can tame the handling down a bit by winding on a bit more diff lock.

But to be honest, beyond the third light and you're likely to be making things worse rather than better unless you're on sand / gravel.

Cheers

Simon

Davey P

iTrader: (1)

I have driven the new STI 9 and every light on the dash is one click on the roller, so how can there be loads of different positions?

HOUSEQUAKE

it's something to do with the fact that each 'click' doesn't actually represent a single setting. The dial is run off a potentiometer and is almost infinitely variable, within it's range that is. You can move the dial between one click and have different effect from start of click to end - if tis makes any sense?

Do a search for dccd, john felstead has put a most informative article together and apologies to him if I have gotten bits of it mixed up, it is late and i am trashed

in fact, here it is http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...highlight=dccd

tfl55

If the 2 door is stiffer why did SWRT change to the 4 door? Because it gives a more rigid body.

CyprusScooby

I owned a UK Turbo Impreza before and now I have an STI Type-R V5. I've never driven it in the wet and now you guys have got me worried!!!!

SUBTYPER

I got the GEMS controller on the centre diff of my car and its fantastic it controls the amount of centre diff lock in regards to rev range so as the power rises in dry conditions the dif starts to lock a little then when you set it to wet conditions it locks more quickly then when you set it to slippy conditions it locks alot faster with the increase of power. Now the real trick bit you can still manually select to lock the diff yourself or leave it wide open. It does make the car more road friendly in wet and slippy conditions and saves having to constantly vary the diff settings yourself whilst driving and trying to find the thumb wheel. They reckon the new version of this system on the DCCD new cars is even better as it works of wheel speed sensors.

marcymarc555

So..... what about a P1 whats that like ,,,,tail happy or not...

Does a p1 handle like a 4 door or a type r so to speak..


I had a uk turbo then bought a type r version 5 then swapped it with kev at scooby clinic for a wrx 94,,

after having uk 4 dr , jap 4 dr and a type r .... my conclusion is type r.s handle like **** and 4 doors handle like u expect a scooby to handle,, like a dream,,,,..

type r,s = best looking car ever ,,

4 doors = what the fuss about scoobys is all about...

Playsatan

iTrader: (2)

I used to have a UK turbo which has a similar transmission to a P1 but now have a Type R version 5, the difference is huge.

It's a much more focused car and in the right hands a total weapon.

The flip side is it can take a bit of getting used to. I could jump in my old car and from day one be pretty quick in it but after getting the Type R I nearly crashed it every time I took it out at first. The lack of ABS combined with the DCCD (goodbye understeer) gave me a few moments but I'd never swap back now.

marcymarc555

The back end antics ov a type r does my head in,,,thats why im wondering if to get a P1,,,

So can some one please tell me if a P1 handles like 4 door of type r...

marcymarc555

* or type r *

SUBTYPER

Marcy dont blame the car if you cant drive it or dont know how to drive them properly. Maybe you need somemore experience in the rear wheel drive type of vehicles before buying specialist vehicles like Type R`s. They can definitely in the right hands outhandle a 4 door and are alot more rewarding to drive.

marcymarc555

Chill out Cactus jim,,, cant u have a disbute, u mardy ****

Iwan

Yes it does, basically the same gearbox/diffs as UK cars but with STI dampers and Prodrive/Eibach springs making it lower/stiffer. I had one and it was very similar to my old MY99 except was a bit lower and stiffer.

I had one 'oh $hit' moment in the P1 when I (stupidly) backed off coming into a very sharp corner and almost spun it, I think any UK car would have done the same in those circumstances. If i'd have been in a Type R I'd probably have gone into the field though!

I felt the P1 had more outright grip than my old MY99 UK turbo, but gave less feedback when it was close to the edge. Though that could have been down to the almost worn-out Pirelli P-Zero Asymmetrico tyres on the P1. I had nice new sticky P-Zero Nero's on the MY99 when I traded it in for the P1.

I've got a Type R now, but haven't had it long enough to start exploring the limits yet.

Tasberley

im only just starting to push my ver 5 sti type r properly and ive had the car for a year now.. wikid car!! very definately a drivers car..

Iwan

Managed a couple of half donuts (to test how it feels when it breaks away) on an airfield in mine this afternoon, didn't get too carried away as it was hot/dry and I didn't want to muller the tyres.

Haven't really got the feel of it yet though, need more practice!

Jas GTR

As far as I knew the P1 was bacictly a Type r sti 6 with prodrive extras?

Used to have a big power Skyline GTR an it was very tail happy but once I got used to it, it became so much fun, amazing handling car! Ma type r is an different ball game! You can throw it anywhere an it will always come back for more! If u want a car that excites you then get a type r an when you do learn how it handles you'll be well rewarded!

Hol

iTrader: (1)

Close-ish,

Its a TypeR with UK dash, UK Wagon wiring and controls (for the RWW) and the STI 5/6 4dr Drivetrain and ABS. (Although prodive would like you to think they developed something special).

Or if you look at it another way, a 4dr STI in a 2 door shell with UK wiring and controls. Also prodrive designed springs on the standard STI struts.

And for those that didnt know, the P1 ecu is standard 5/6 STI with enhanced knock sensing - nothing more. In fact TEK use the P1 map as the starting point when they map 5/6 STI's.

marcymarc555, Cactus is right, if you don't know what you are actually talking about (as CAN be seen), you should not post 'things' on someones for sale thread. The rules are posted as a sticky in For sale, perhaps you should read them.

RRH

Both the Type R, RA and P1 are more focussed versions of the standard cars.

They are quite a different driving experience, and are ideally suited for those who want a little more than the 'safe-ish' handling setting of the standard UK and WRX models.

Primary difference, with the exception of number of doors, between the STi Type R and STi Type RA is that the Type R doesn't have a front diff iirc, and *can* feel a little more nervous None of the above are for amatuers (sp?) and need to be treated with extreme respect.

SUBTYPER

I thought all impreza`s had a front Differential just some were plated and the ratios were different. How does it go round corners without stripping tyres every 6000 miles without a front differential.

Iwan

All Imprezas have 3 seperate differentials, front, rear and centre.

There are various combinations of different diffs available, best way to tell what you've got is look up the transmission code on the VIN plate (for a jap import) then compare it to here: http://www.catherineandken.co.uk/sti/trans.html

For example my STI5 Type R has transmission code TY754VB1CA. Meaning it has a front helical LSD (R160), a mechanical cable type 2way LSD (R180), and a DCCD centre diff.

Which is nice.

Hol

iTrader: (1)

Nope! Same drivetrain. The only thing 'nervous' are the girls in low tops when they have come out of the back The type R was a homogation exercise to put a stronger '2dr Race Altered' car in the rally scene. It just became a good seller in retail land.

The only different RA was the V Limited which had a quickrack and a taller 5th Gear.
You can put the UK 5th gear set in and get the same ratio's in a standard R/RA Box. I did and it made such a difference to the cruising speeds.

SCOOBY_TYPE_RA

I've had my type r v-ltd for a couple of months now, but Graham at TSL drove my type ra faster and more under control than I will probably ever drive my type r... but I can drive my type r harder and faster through bends than I could with my type ra. I'm lucky to be surrounded by twisty tight country roads and the dccd definitely helps in poor conditions and it is a great help to have the front wheels pulling the car through bends.

Experienced drivers will always win in any car

Jonathan

Dave uk blue mica

it'll totally depend on what type of driver you are if you'll see the benefit, i've got a MY99 uk car and my mate who's got a type-R can't live with me on the road, track or lanes

SCOOBY_TYPE_RA

Not having ABS is a BIG help on type r's... no juddering under harsh braking. I have always hated ABS, I think it is a killer on it's own and inexperienced boy racers are probably helped off the roads when taking a corner too fast and lose control and think braking is a good idea


Jonathan