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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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Is there room to rotate the 20g cold side 180 degs?
Has anyone actually 'rotated' the 20g on a 2 litre (like you see the GT30's etc on the high end motors?) and is it worth the bother?
Graham.
Harvey Smith has done it on his WRX wagon, but because of the Ph.1 manifold he has also changed the turbo location.

I don't see why it wouldn't go, the 20G cover is no bigger externally than the 18G as can be seen from this picture of Andy's website:



However, as described on my thread on 22B there are a few things to move about in order to do it and you may not want to start messing about so close to the start of the season.

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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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you should hear what they're saying about you on that Portuguese site Graham, one of them said you drove like Michael Parkinson!
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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hello, flat4, do you understand portuguese? I don't think so, because your translation is so, so wrong.

we were comparing evo 8 and my05 sti suspensions, the owner of the evo said his car was very stiff, and the owner of the sti said when he drives is subaru in bad roads when he gets out looks like he has parkinson.

I've talked about graham's scooby with some guys of the club, because I think his car is great and I put a photo of his subaru next to the evo in the forum, but no one talked trash about the cars or the drivers, so please don't write lies ( this word is too strong but my english isn't the best so sorry if I offended you ).

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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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No!
Flat4 (Kev) is about right!
But we will see as Kev shows me how it's done this year. It seems i will have a lot of (young) teachers trying to show me the new tricks...

Andrew:

Just thinking about Otober on this year. Once AndyF has tweeked the car it is left alone except the suspension and maybe a gearbox()

Besides, I need the time to prepare myself for Lessons from Kev..
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 03:06 PM
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i was just joking cmpequeno


Graham, you have nothing to worry about, i'm just there to enjoy my car & myself, i don't plan on putting my car into a ditch just yet
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flat4
i was just joking cmpequeno


Graham, you have nothing to worry about, i'm just there to enjoy my car & myself, i don't plan on putting my car into a ditch just yet
yeah good one, it will break before the ditch
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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That is unkind!
Kev must drive with his foot on the clutch pedal....

Fit a full AP clutch set Kev.

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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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Well i near enough put mine into a ditch without even getting to a track. (field of neaps (turnips for you Graham)). And speaking of clutches, took the plunge and went for a twin. Cheers Adam New pistons arrived the other day so looks like the engine will be rebuilt before the car see's any tarmac, or ditches... Told the old man last night he needs to put the imp back together so i can have the garage. Maybe it'll be a father & son combo on the hills....although i think the imps hayday has long gone. He has contemplated changing the twinspark in the g15 for a 2 wheeled variety though.... Any suggestions on where to send the heads for porting to match the bottom end?

Back home on the 12th May for 4 wks so i'll see if i can get some pics/reports on how i fair if anyones interested. No time for a project thread, it'll be all basic stuff anyway and covered many times already no doubt.

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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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Run the Imp in Classic Class.
Big Fun if you can stand handicaps...
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 12:59 AM
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sorry kev, I just don't want to get in trouble with you guys because of some bad translations

graham, what bhp do you estimate after the remap?
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 08:38 AM
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I would think about the same as 'today', @ 380bhp.
The purpose of the FMIC was really to stop heat soak into the TMIC reducing the bhp on a hill climb run.
After a 50 second blast in competition, the TMIC was almost untouchable (so about 60+ Deg C), thus, i expect to hold '380' for much longer.

The last mapping was with the sports cat on, this time i have the decat in plce sp maybe we can hold 1.4 bar for longer into the rev range.

Full report when done.

There are 4 or 5 cars booked in with Andy over the 2 days so a bit of fun.

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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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Spent the morning tarting the car for the mapping.
Hovered a years worth of hill climbing junk from the inside but the rest is all ready for Andy.
Fingers crossed..
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rsbgxd

Before you all start, during hill climbing the front numberplate will be removed.
I didn't have the guts to stick one on the bonnet.

Hope this will be the view the EVO will see sometime soon in 2006..

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rsbhnl

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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Graham..

Its looking good mate, so you have been trying to get the wieght down,

Q. Is the new ruling ref, 3 inch harness straps going to effect hillclimb/sprints, have not got my liecence yet (this week i hope), hence no blue book, came into effect as of 01 jan 06..

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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Errr, not sure, but the 3'' are so much more comfortable than the 2'' believe me.(even on a hill climb dash)
I would think all belts will be 3 '' after 2006.
On some old race seats, the slots wont pass 3''.

When I stuffed my 911 at Shelsley Walsh the 2'' cut both shoulders and bruised significantly.
Go for 3''.

you still coming to Loton?
(lets hope PSLewis isn't!)

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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Graham, you've got it all wrong mate...... you don't want the Evo to see the back of your car.... that'd mean he's caught you up on the run..... you really want him to see you looming large in HIS rear view......
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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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LOL!

Ok, you know what I meant!

I just want to beat him fair and square!

One day...
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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the 3" rule doesn't effect hillclimbing as far as i can remember otherwise i wouldn't of gone with the 2"
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 05:22 PM
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I wonder how things are going?
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:02 PM
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I trust you mean the Scooby Hillclimb and Sprint?

I do not know, but the entries for the Curborough Meeting will be possibly CLOSED by now, maybe a week to go.

Not a disaster by any means.
I am sure Terry will be pushing things along asap.

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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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not long to D Day now

are you going with NF or plain optimax
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Errr, not sure, but the 3'' are so much more comfortable than the 2'' believe me.(even on a hill climb dash)
I would think all belts will be 3 '' after 2006.
On some old race seats, the slots wont pass 3''.

When I stuffed my 911 at Shelsley Walsh the 2'' cut both shoulders and bruised significantly.
Go for 3''.

you still coming to Loton?
(lets hope PSLewis isn't!)

Graham
Yes i still plan to come to Loton for the practice days, and be available for marshalling..

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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:41 PM
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WRX: Couldn't possibly say...


Kev: you are probably right, just bought 3'' as my old 2'' were well worn out

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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Did the Mapping Day Out with AndyF, and it was not without its excitment...

Andy arrived and linked everything up as 'usual' and off we went along the route as last year, car running nice, warming up well.
Then there was no boost. Car running great too!


The circlip that holds the turbo actuator link to the wategate had dropped off!
It was there yeaterday!!

We cruised home and off i went to find a circlip from the local shop. Stripped it all doen, FMIC pipes and all and got it all back together.
Gerry and Ian had arrived by this time, so we were running LATE.

Mapping commenced and immediatly the car was 'flowing' stronger.

We managed 1.5 bar at 3800! (and about 1 bar at 3100) with that held way into the rev range, about 6500 and then tailing off to 1.3 ish.
What is all this about lagg increasing with a FMIC?

Anyway, coming back gave it death for a confirmation run and BANG; the bottom cooler hose blew off in the middle of a 1.5 bar charge. No power, and miles from home, but it all popped back in place and we got home ok.

So, a bit to do this weekend, bumper off and re-do all the pipes, but the car is great, with gobs of mid-range torque (gearbox?) and screams out to 7000 still feeling it wants to pull harder and further.

20g's Rule!

Gerry's 2.5 with Type R trans was next, but this proved hard to get to run smoothly above 1.25 bar. Andy thinks he has the answer, but it ran great. Interesting to see an ACVR being programmed too.

Ian's Type R was the third, but not before Adam turned up to meet with Andy, nice to meet you..hope that engine sells soon.

Ian's car got the new Apexi and the mapping. Interesting car, stock ancillaries but steel engine and strong internals, sounded great and ran very hard @ 1.3 bar.

Quite a day for us all; makes you a bit buzzing about in endless ''give it full throttle from 3000 to 6500 in 2, 3 ,4th gear...again''.

Just a few snaps of the cars in the cold air:

Det tube bolted in place
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rw6jvs
Sniffer in the pipe:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rw6ltu
Gerry's Sti v3 Wagon:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rw6mc0
Ian's Type R:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rw6mx4

Graham

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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good day then was it graham shame i couldn't off come over would have been interesting to see what goes on.. when u racing your car next cause might come along to see your driving skills
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Glad all went well Graham, well to a point.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:11 PM
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Sounds like you had a fun filled exciting day graham..... at least you got the mapping done before the pipe blew off.... that would have only delayed things further.....

Do the i/c pipes have a 'swelling' on the end... ( there's a name for it but i can't remeber it).??? if not, maybe you could get somethign sorted.... a bead of weld would be adequate....

Anyway, i bet you're all pumped up with the goins on af the day....... sold that 911 gearbox yet..... you might need the cash if you've got a bootfull of torque....!!
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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Ron:
'Swage' is the word you want!
Yes, all the pipes are swaged, but obviously I need to find a better way.
David at API uses hairspray over the pipes and slides the parts together, then the clamp.
The spray dries and leaves a film of hard sealing varnish which gives a greater fit to the parts. Roughing the pipe surfaces helps too.

Didn't get round to the 911 box being sold, but starting a Gearbox Kitty now..

Pugs:
look at www.hdlcc.com for info.
Driving skills? Not me!

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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:35 PM
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Thats the word Graham, maybe you need a washer welding on each end of the pipe, and a strip of steel/alloy with two bolts on it to hold the pipes on..... you don't want it coming off on the startline do you.... (didn't really need to point out the obvious ).....

Let us know what solution you end up with..... wider clamps??
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Originally Posted by RON
Thats the word Graham, maybe you need a washer welding on each end of the pipe, and a strip of steel/alloy with two bolts on it to hold the pipes on..... you don't want it coming off on the startline do you.... (didn't really need to point out the obvious ).....

Let us know what solution you end up with..... wider clamps??
I think it's more a case of the silicone ballooning and pushing the clip off rather than the pipes moving apart. The hairspray and plain brute force on the clips helps

Great day Graham. Thanks for your hospitality (again). Hot coffee and warm loo were ideal on a bitterly cold day

Thanks, of course, to Andy F for another good mapping session. He must have nerves of steel, sitting in the passenger seat watching the rear ends of vehicles getting ever closer, ever faster . "I was only following orders ociffer". Somehow I don't think would carry much sway in court

Hope you had a safe journey home Andy. And nice to meet Ian and his very nice v4 Type R.

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ah ha ... so its not just me who has problems ( I all of a sudden feel that little bit better after my disaster )

glad to see it all went right in the end

I will be honest I even looked for your thread before my mate dragged me out for a beer

http://www.powerengineering.co.uk/mikalor/ so im in if you organise a group buy

I use hair spry for all the silicon but wouldn't say it adds much to resitance of blowing off, nice and slippy to put on though

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