Doug:
Make sure you introduce yourself..I'm the old buffa in the slow Impreza.
Imps make very good hill climb cars..engine's in the right place like a 911's!
Carl:
You bought that Type R yet?

You and Kev write the very best threads on here, 'bout time YOU got your hands (oily) dirty instead of all that decorating and machining.
Ooopps, I meant car engine oil of course, not crude.

This thread is crazy long now..get me out of here!

Graham (sorry)

 

Are you going to post the results after seeing Andy for a re-map? Trying to decide on which turbo to go for and am interested to see what the 20g will produce, or more importantly, the spread of bhp/torque.

Also starting to doubt if a 2.3 is really needed for reliability issues if the 2.5's built well. And as the saying goes, there's no substitute for cc!!

 

The 20g with the TMIC made 407bhp and 380 bhp last year.
I think it will be much the same this time, but i hope to hold on to 1.5 boost for longer....
But I will be posting all the boring details!
Hoping to map on March 10th
First hill climb on 2 April!

Graham

 

More importantly, do you know what the peak torque figure was? And when it kicked in/for how long?
Thinking a gt30 might be too much for the intended purpose...but yet again, it will reach its peak earlier on the 2.5 if i'm not mistaken..and perhaps behaving the same as a 20g would on a 2.0 but with the obvious increase in bhp/lbs;ft???

 

For a 2.5, and a nice comfortable 400/400 with early spool up i would suggest the turbo Alan Bell has.

 

Think you are spot-on.
The 20 g can be hard at times to 'catch' just right on my Sti 2 liter. When you do it is ballistic.
The 407 came with 370 lbft iirc @ Well Lane (so optimistic)
The 380 came with 340 lbft @ Powerstation RR which I believe

The boost starts to 1 bar by 3500
1.2 by 4000 ish
1.4/1.5 by 5000ish through to 6500 max
Tailing back to 1.2 max at 6500/7000

Those figures are all from memory by the way. This time round I will get better data from AndyF.
I would like the 1.4 bit starting 500 rpm sooner and lasting 500 longer!
When the car comes together on the hill climb it is fab, but quite easy to fall off the boost climb as you (sorry, I) fumble with getting round a bend/braking/waving to the crowds/smiling for the cameras....other words, crap driving which I specialise in.
I bought the 20g with a 2.5 in mind as i think for a hill climber that combination would give a very drivable spec but not the 'bling' max bhp storyline.
I just want to beat the EVO! (and the 3 Impreza's I know are coming into my class)
I'm not convinced (yet) that a 2.33 is really any better than a stage II Axis 2.5 with a 20g on a hill climb.(pumping 1.5 bar)
Graham

 

Now I don't want to sound like I'm telling you to suck eggs but you have been improving your car steadily to improve your times and I've watched the results, but could another driver make your car go quicker (say the dreaded EVO driver)? If the answer is yes then maybe you're not making the most of your car's potential? You've told us you are a crap driver but I think you're modest; I'm also sure that you've had some sort of training in the past too.

I'm waffling, not trying to be derogatory, mearly provoking some discussion Probably as a result of a bad memory I have - pooring rain, leading a race thinking I'm must be the quickest, only to be overtaken on the outside of a bend by someone on slicks in an identical car

Food for thought?

F

 

Thank goodness you didn't bo##ock me for quoting '4*7' bhp!

On what you say:

I did a bit of run-what-ya-Brung drag racing in my mates Ford T Bucket with a 283 Chevy in 1973.....at Santa Pod, for a few meetings, then built American style Hot Rods for years (born poser..)
I started hill climbing in my freshly restored 911 in 1993 to 2002, and then the Impreza.
So, no training, just one heavy crash at Shelsely Walsh in the 911 which split my crash helmet this icon is such a good self-portrait.

As to the car being quicker with a 'decent' driver, I think that is very valid.
The EVO driver is nearly 10 years OLDER than me, but is good and far more expeienced than I.

Hill climbing is a difficult sport that looks simple (a lot like Drag Racing looks dead simple) until you are strapped in the seat.
I would be better off if I didn't have to drive the car home after each event, and that I could not afford to rapidly repair it if I crunched it hard.
These 2 factors with a 'fear level' of a 53 year old with a mortgage and a dependant family = crap driver.

There is an EVO driver addition in my class this year who I've seen drive a hill climb.He clearly demonstrates the gulf between him and I.
I think he would make a bubble car win the class if needs be.

It is all a bit of fun (?) and it is easy to chase than be chased, but where I am in the class pecking order I am the meat in the sandwich, chasing and chased!

Still, I do hope you all find amusment in my stories

Graham.

 

It wouldnt be any fun if you were 1st in class Graham. The challange would diminish to beating your own times and threads like this would be boring or wouldnt be here in the 1st place. When youre doing the chasing it gives you a goal and makes for a good excuse to spend more on developing the car to narrow the gap... It also tends to lead to good idea's in achieving performance gains/developement where the budget will not stretch to the 'all singing and dancing'...

Having said that, getting one over on the competition always brings a grin...especially when its down to the wire and only by a few tenths of a second...david and goliath style..

 

Oookaay! So "I would be better off if I didn't have to drive the car home after each event, and that I could not afford to rapidly repair it if I crunched it hard. These 2 factors with a 'fear level' of a 53 year old with a mortgage and a dependant family = crap driver." It seems to me that the improvements, whilst amusing and interesting to the readers of this thread, may only add to that fear level. You'll arrive at bends quicker and at faster speeds and with the chassis, you'll be able to go round them quicker too - but, the fear level will also increase and subconciously you may go slower to compensate

Seems to me that getting a trailor and putting the 'mod' money into a repair fund, may make you go much quicker than the 'mods'.

Suck on that!

F

 

Going by this theory, being 27, single and no mortgage, in a similar car i should be a couple of seconds ahead, even with the experience disadvantage.

 

All rather contentious Floyd

Interesting point though. Best result I ever had on a sprint was at the Vauxhall test track when it was at Skimpot, Luton. There was a rather large oak on the outside of a bend between two straights Was a lot younger then and the competition seemed older.

Trouble is, the older you get, the less your feeling of invincibility becomes

 

The Young Guns will soon understand what you say is true Gerry!

I think we need to get this game into perspective.
I actually do this hill climbing for the interest and fun, and to get better. Most competitors do the same.
It is easy to do if you are well blessed in the wallet, retired early, and have stacks of time (the EVO driver).
It is a major relaxation activity from my 11 hour a day Company Director's job.

Last year I contested 2 championships, won the class of one, at National level and came second to the evo in the other (and his car was illegal).
Not so bad for a Golden Oldie.
Even won some prize money at one event!

I've tried the towing game and it is a hassal when you get home on a wet sunday bank holiday to say the least...there are many other complications too, like i can't keep a trailer at home! (Bye-law).

You need to cut me some slack Floyd, I'm trying as hard as I dare.
The Young Guns are arriving this year so it will be far more demanding to get to the front(ish) of the class, maybe 2005 was my Golden Year?

I'll carry on with this monster thread till it or I run dry, but i feel there will be much more to come, even some more vids and techie stuff to.

It's great to actually race rather than troll around a few tracks; lets hope the new SSC will prosper!

Just booked AndyF for a remap and 1.5 bar from 3000 to 6500 rpm.....

Graham

 

Graham, can you PM me the details of Andy's visit and if there's a slot please? I think it's about time for him to 'breathe' on mine again.

Cheers
Gerry

 

Just booked AndyF for a remap and 1.5 bar from 3000 to 6500 rpm.....

Think i'll nip down to the bookies and put a bet on your gearbox...

Joking aside, best of luck this season Graham and i'm sure the hard work and enthusiasm will pay off, even if it just means a bigger grin driving the car...

 

 

I was so tempted to do just that, but I was not sure if the 2 halves would actually stay on the car!
The front bumper is almost scrap as it is Carl, but still looks 'ok'
Got a more general front 3/4 view of the car?

Graham

 

Doug:
I will be very happy (lucky?) if the box lasts out this season...
Just need a good big bonus from work to buy a Zen 5 speed semi helical synchro box, and then is it a 2.5 or a 2.33?

Graham.

 

That reminds me, how much for a set of spacers Carl? Including postage out to my folks in Pitmedden?

Graham - decided to rebuild the 2.5 with uprated internals. Much more cost effective and if it does go bang then not too expensive to rebuild. A good starting basis. Also just bought myself a 20g with only 100 miles on the clock originally supplied from the great mapper himself.

It will be interesting to see the differences between the 2.0 and the 2.5 since we will be running a similar spec! Will also mean the car stands a chance of seeing some hills towards the end of the season although only up in this neck of the woods.

 

Thank god for that!
John's 20g will be rock solid, and I think a good combination with a decent 2.5 @ 1.5 bar.
But you will want more and need it too to catch John.

If I get to Doune I hope we can meet and compare cars/times.

Graham

 

The first few times out will be to sort out any niggles and play with the settings so i'd expect to be the bottom slice of bread in the sandwich.

It'll be good to see how all three cars perform once up and running as they will all be in various guises. 2.0 20g, 2.5 20g and John with 2.5 and gt30. Obviously the drivers will have an effect on the times aswell....

Just away to jump in the hire car (fiat something-yuk!) and get myself on a flight from teeside to Iraq for round 2. Will be back in the uk early May once the pennies are saved up to start rebuilding the engine and get the car ready. will still be able to keep an eye on how things are going with yourself from time to time.

 

That's not Coulty's motor is it Carl?

 

Sort of looks like the FMIC is about to drop out?
Got a full shot of the car's front?
Graham

 

Aye it is Colin. Emailed him asking for a pic to persuade Graham.

No more pics as yet but they've been promised. He did say he's fitted end caps which tidies it up a lot. Have pointed him in the direction of this thread but the poor man has other things on his mind at the moment!

Doug, Pitmedden? I lean out the window and throw them over there myself.

 

I should probably get on with the cold air inlet/hot air engine barrier.
The Powerstation racer has a cold box with the front leading edge open to get high speed air in off the bonnet/headlamp area with the seal removed so will be configuring mine that way too.
Always something to do.

About being fast on a track:

Knowing the hill/track is worth a lot more time than you may think, especially those who think it is simple!
Not knowing where the track goes will make you hang back at every turn and learning all the tricks takes longer than you think.
I think even Floyd will agree with me. The Ring I am sure is a quicker track when you have lapped it a few times.

Doug:

For 5 years I have beaten the sub 40 year olds in the Sti in their hot Nissans and Cossies and they don't like it!
Will be different this year perhaps; we will see.
Wadsy will be quick, and the other EVO much quicker still, and then there is the Welsh Man.

Good game.

Graham.

 

Another pic Graham...



Doesn't look bad at all in the flesh, even better now i'd imagine with the end caps and fog cover refitted. Function over form.

 

..

John

 

"About being fast on a track:

Knowing the hill/track is worth a lot more time than you may think, especially those who think it is simple!
Not knowing where the track goes will make you hang back at every turn and learning all the tricks takes longer than you think.
I think even Floyd will agree with me. The Ring I am sure is a quicker track when you have lapped it a few times."

Agreed, huge bonus, though not insurmountable.... in car video anyone ?

Not sure it's my Turbo Doug has, certainly wasn't him I sold it to.

Really looking forward to the season this year, though 'June Doune' may be an issue as my wife has an arrival planned on the 6th



---john---

 

Good luck with the new baby and the car!
Graham

 

Nope, not yours John. Had from elsewhere on the snet. Must have been a misunderstanding. This one's only done 100miles and supplied by Andy.F originally. Should be sweet.....the perfect compliment to an L/P bottom end.