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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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nice work graham. can't wait to read your comments about the driveability.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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Some have raised the Hybrid higher by cutting the angle off the bumper bar so it sits flush under the horizontal bit IYSWIM. Looks better that way IMO and gives better ground clearance as well as presenting more of the core to air flow...

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:36 AM
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Part of the HKS instructions are to cut the bumper bar...I think I may still have them somewhere, if I have I'll scan them later and put the pics up on my Fotopic site.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 11:00 AM
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When I fitted this kit - the bottom of the core shows under the bumper and the lower piece of the bumper covers a couple of rows of the intercooler.

Raising it will affect the piping both sides.

Something to consider perhaps.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Graham, i think i may have a MY00 front bumper kicking about somewhere, which has been significantly altered to accomodate an HKS FMIC. The way it has been cut, it exposes the whole of the intercooler, and has a grill already attached.

If you might be interested i could take a pic, and send it to you.

Otherwise its just sat there doing nothing.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Thanks to all.

I am a bit lost on the design Hybrid have used. The threaded welded bosses should be the depth of the bumper cross channel so the bolts can be tightened up tight . As they are they will crush the channel flat until dead tight. I have installed with some loctite on the (missing from the kit) bolts.

If you cut the channel then the Matrix has to become a 'stressed' member as you have removed the strength considerably. I would rather loose a row of the matrix.
The bottom of the matrix is very vulnerable and if ever there was a case for sticking to the black stuff on a hill climb here it is! The towing loop is still 10mm lower though.

The inlet/outlet pipes are very tight and I cursed a lot last night. The matrix to inlet is in and done. The matrix to turbo via the wing is in and done, just awaiting the Agriemech wrap for the pipe over the hot turbo and the pipes are done.(we still get discount )

I must admit to being a bit sad to loose the appearance of the TMIC as it now looks very cut and shut, but the 100 extra bhp and torque will be well worth it...

Very sadly, the induction kit is poor quality. The MAF to inlet alloy adaptor is totally the wrong size. The fasteners to fix the filter to the MAF are not in the sealed bag, just 2 x 8mm bolts, 3 x 6mm washers and 4 x M6 nylocs.
It left Pipers like that.

I might just be able to squeeze it onto the MAF and between the inner wing this weekend.

All a bit frustrating, but getting there very slowly.
Oh, and the Hybrid has no connecting samco for the turbo outlet-to-pipe (50mm dia x 70mm) so got to find that too.

Good game (maybe), so about 7/10 and no House Points.

Steven: would appreciate a pic of the bumper, but can't stand the thought after this of colour matching the respray! Just know what will happen.

Graham

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Graham.

I notice there is going to be a significant gap between your FMIC & RADIATOR, thus impeding your airflow to your radiator (this area will be holding turbulant air, thus reducing the cooling effect on the radiator)..which means you will be higher coolant temp..
IMO..
The short term solution would be to fit a overide switch on the radiator fans to help draw the air through..(which could be switched on while queing for the start & switched off at the finish..)
The long term solution would be to have the radiator & I/C core of the same type/spec, then the two items piggy backed together using a suitable non conductive sandwich plate, thus allowing a greater airflow to reach the radiator..

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This is IMO only..
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigbrakes
Graham.

I notice there is going to be a significant gap between your FMIC & RADIATOR, thus impeding your airflow to your radiator (this area will be holding turbulant air, thus reducing the cooling effect on the radiator)..which means you will be higher coolant temp..
IMO..
The short term solution would be to fit a overide switch on the radiator fans to help draw the air through..(which could be switched on while queing for the start & switched off at the finish..)
The long term solution would be to have the radiator & I/C core of the same type/spec, then the two items piggy backed together using a suitable non conductive sandwich plate, thus allowing a greater airflow to reach the radiator..

John

This is IMO only..
I wouldn't quite agree with that, in fact I think it's very wrong!
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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graham, how are you going to get 100hp more from a FMIC?
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 911
Thanks to all.

I am a bit lost on the design Hybrid have used. The threaded welded bosses should be the depth of the bumper cross channel so the bolts can be tightened up tight . As they are they will crush the channel flat until dead tight. I have installed with some loctite on the (missing from the kit) bolts.

If you cut the channel then the Matrix has to become a 'stressed' member as you have removed the strength considerably. I would rather loose a row of the matrix.
The bottom of the matrix is very vulnerable and if ever there was a case for sticking to the black stuff on a hill climb here it is! The towing loop is still 10mm lower though.

The inlet/outlet pipes are very tight and I cursed a lot last night. The matrix to inlet is in and done. The matrix to turbo via the wing is in and done, just awaiting the Agriemech wrap for the pipe over the hot turbo and the pipes are done.(we still get discount )

I must admit to being a bit sad to loose the appearance of the TMIC as it now looks very cut and shut, but the 100 extra bhp and torque will be well worth it...

Very sadly, the induction kit is poor quality. The MAF to inlet alloy adaptor is totally the wrong size. The fasteners to fix the filter to the MAF are not in the sealed bag, just 2 x 8mm bolts, 3 x 6mm washers and 4 x M6 nylocs.
It left Pipers like that.

I might just be able to squeeze it onto the MAF and between the inner wing this weekend.

All a bit frustrating, but getting there very slowly.
Oh, and the Hybrid has no connecting samco for the turbo outlet-to-pipe (50mm dia x 70mm) so got to find that too.

Good game (maybe), so about 7/10 and no House Points.

Steven: would appreciate a pic of the bumper, but can't stand the thought after this of colour matching the respray! Just know what will happen.

Graham
Graham, I am sorry that you are unhappy with the quality of the induction kit. We use them all the time and whilst they do need a ' bit of fettling ' we've never been as disappointed as you seem to be.

if it doesn't do what you need / want then it can come back for a refund.

PowerTec is one of the better brands and flows well. We get good results on mapping them.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
graham, how are you going to get 100hp more from a FMIC?
'Cos they come with really nice stickers that go on the sides of the car..

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 05:22 PM
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Zen Performance. Ref:-#1120

Dont wish to highjack Grahams thread, but would be interested in your comments on how would be the most efficent way to over come this common but very obvious problem, remember this is a competition car not a road car, so every little helps..

John
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 911
Finally got the plastic bumper off. Who used those stupid security Torx bolts on the number plate holder of all things?
Anyway, the grinder soon sorted them..

Offered the FMIC up:


And needed to cut the beam in a few places:


Why doesn't Hybrid use the existing holes in the beam for the top mountings? There are 2 perfectly placed holes waiting!

The two bottom brackets needed joggling to fit, but when bolted up the matrix is very secure.

End 'samco's' next and some more trimming:


I've loosed the pipework into all the slots, obviously a bit of messing to come, but not too bad I think.

Getting close to it turning out like this:



If only....

Graham
Graham - Tis looking good!!!!!

Those cheeker ******* at PS, nicked my induction kit for use on the Race car!!!!!

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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John, I think you have described the Lateral FMIC/Radiator combo?

Paul: If I add the stickers David describes, should be 200 bhp! You know I'm kidding, but i do hope this will all help me in the end....

David: Absolutly no knock at API, just sad that it doesn't simply bolt together as I expected it to. I will make it fit even if I have to bore out the MAF housing to allow the ally 'elbo' to fit inside, though I'm sure it should fit outside to give a nice smooth flow. The fastener 'variety' is irritating, but I have a big box of fasteners in the garage.

I think i look at these things (like the missing samco) in the light of the work I do. We make and sell nearly 3,000,000 locks for doors a year, and they ALL have to be right, all the way to the fasteners and every detail. They sell for an average of £6 each, and they must be near Zero Defect.

Anyway, it will all come together some how and I can buy some decent tyres, a re mapping from AndyF and a private test morning at Curbourough to sort the AST damping settings...now that will be a good day!

8 weeks to go to the 'Gentlemen, start your engines'

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:19 PM
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Can I test on the private test day too????

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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No.
This car carries a health warning:

'To deal with this car, add serious money', and more so, Curb is a seriously tricky track to do quickly, and i really hate the place, BUT, for Club members at £40 for 3 hours with the track to yourself it is very good value, and only 30 mins from my house too.

Just so easy to spin at.... ( I don't do sideways)

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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stick with it Graham if it was easy where would the fun in that be?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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If I wanted easy, I would have stayed with the 911, but when it comes to actually driving fast I am working on the easy car!

Thanks for the words Kev. Everything seems a fight on this Impreza (except the AST's!)

Graham.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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If it's any use Graham, I have now scanned and uploaded the HKS FMIC manual (complete with blood splatter!), it starts here and spreads on to the next page
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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Thanks Tim. Interesting that the Hybrid goes under the induction and yours goes over it.
Wrap not arrived today, so stuck for 24 hours.
The bathroom however arrived today....

Graham.
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Count yourself lucky Graham I HAVE some stables to sort out like yesterday. Paid for the things last year, but i need a concrete pad putting down before they deliver!
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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A Scooby and animals too?
How do you afford the vet's bills for the dog and the horses?

Yeh, ok, I'll go into the garage after that 'joke'.
Wrap has just arrived....

I'm marshalling at the Clubs Sporting Car Trial over the weekend, real mud hill climbing!

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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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Back on track to the techie stuff:

Wrapped the inlet pipe:


Which is now tucked into place. Just need the £3.49 samco connecting pipe missing from the Hybrid (that eventually cost £10) to finish off the pipes.

I can now concentrate on the Piper foam filter and the mounting to the MAF.

Such fun!

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Graham, i think i may have a MY00 front bumper kicking about somewhere, which has been significantly altered to accomodate an HKS FMIC. The way it has been cut, it exposes the whole of the intercooler, and has a grill already attached.

If you might be interested i could take a pic, and send it to you.

Otherwise its just sat there doing nothing.

Steven
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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A little more progress today. All the pipes in place as well as the Piper Filter onto the stock MAF pipework.

Engine bay starting to look sexy:


Inlet and AST cans in place


Inlet filter and sensors in stock position at last. Junked the Piper stuff!


The overall view.


Just the easy bit now, the plastic bumper.......

Nearly done!
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Erm!!
Soz, i didnt think you wanted it. Its been at my dads nearly a year

Must be my old age
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Bit more progress today.

It was time to cut the front bumper (to shreads?) so I tried the Hacksaw....then I tried the Gilbow metal shears( ) and made some real progress.
All a bit of guessing and a lot has to come out, and not just the bumper, the inner wing splash shields needed some good seeing-to also.
Some pics of the 'process':

After the first round of snipping


First fit was not good enough!


But eventually it shaped up, and I trimmed the edges with the angle grinder (!)



Ground clearance is not too compromised, but i can't get my big jack under the front of the car now, so will have to think about that (raise the suspension?)


Next to do is the number plate mounting. I'm not a big fan of the 'EVO' look for the plate, so for road use the plate will have to cover the beautiful FMIC!
The plate mounting has to mount the FMIC water spray nozzles too, so a bit of cut and weld to sort it out.
I remove the front plate anyway to fit the timing strut for the races, but could also try a stick-on plate on the bonnet?? (anyone got pics of such a thing?)

Sometimes I wonder if I would gain more on the track times if I had big brakes instead?...Please do NOT agree with this.

Knackered now, so a bottle of chilled New World white wine will do the trick!

Graham

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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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I agree
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