Was that to me Graham ? I've been away for a week and now starting to catch up on emails etc.

cheers

Andy

 

Hurry up then! Theres a couple from me in your inbox too

 

You need to turn your engine upside down and shake all the petrol out first

 

No Andy, at that point I was talking about someone else about the FMIC (not Harvey).
I have though left a mail for you Andy to book you in so to speak about mid/late March, much like last year, unless I can come to you 'somewhere in the West Midlands'.
If we do a group mapping like last year I'll try to strum-up some others to share the cost.
Still undeceided about running NF in the Optimax or not this year.

Graham.

 

Nah, I prefer to gamble on the exhaust stroke

 

But that involves spending money on a Dremel I couldn't be seen doing that

 

No problem, March is still pretty clear.
Regards the NF, it depends whether you want to give away circa 20bhp on a point of principle Personally I'd add 10-15% methanol instead. Clean burning and cat friendly too

Andy

 

Loss of 20 is hard to bear, bad enough fitting the cat.
Will NF kill a cat? Never thought about that before.

I would value your thoughts Andy on the engine you know in my car, with the FMIC/Cone but with/without reversing the existing inlet manifold?

I would like to reverse it as Paul/Zen makes it sound feasible with not too much effort.

Any thoughts on here or PM?

I will fit the FMIC etc in about 10 days time.

Graham.

 

Graham, with the S/net search function down, could you post a link to Paul's inlet reversing thread please? I've tried the Google method to no avail.

Cheers
Gerry

 

Here you go Gerry

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484863

 

and that fellas, is how you end up with kids

 

With the Hybrid FMIC on its way and the cone filter in my garage, soon surgery will begin.
This leaves me to ponder how to get outside air to the cone filter with the FMIC tube occupying the existing inner wing holes.

Any pics as to how others are doing it?
Also: The mega 700 + Roger Clark Impreza has it's air intake in the engine bay with no cold air box at all. Is this a bit of a myth that you really need to fabricate an isolated air box??

Recently there was a great blow-by-blow account of fitting Hybrids on here, anyone know where it could be?
tut tut, just found it here
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=459536
Graham.

 

I just had my original cone set up sitting in the engine bay, no special ducting other than a mini scoop on the bonnet replacing the original vent grill, and I also removed the resonator box from the O/S inner wing so air just found it's way in from the bumper gill mouth.

On the Team ICE car they had a pipe running from a mouth in the front bumper, as well as clever bonnet venting to suck heat out from under the bonnet

 

Sprayed mine with black hammerite (Core) before fitting. When I stripped mine off prior to the worlds longest rebuild the exposed pipes had become very corrided and the plate was lifting. It had only been on for 2 years, wish I'd taped up the lower pipes. Also have a nasty nick caused by rubbing from the second radiator fan casing.

 

Thanks Zac, I didn't realise it was so recent.

 

You will definately need some form of cold airbox IMO, especially for your application. On my car with the rad fans on hot air was blasted in the direction of the filter, but a simple shield now protects the filter from the hot air. I'm not sure about the queuing procedure at a hillclimb, but if you were suffering from heatsoak with the TMIC I can only assume you will be statioary long enough to need the rad fans regulating the water temp. So without any form of cold airbox you will run the risk of hot air around the filter at launch. IMO

I will post pics of my shield when i get a chance, but there are pics of stevebt's example in a recent thread.

 

Thanks, all pics welcome.
The Hybrid FMIC arrived this morning from Harvey.
For those who havn't been close to a FMIC, it makes the Sti v8 look small....

Good looking content, and very pleased to see the pipes are all ring rolled with a hose locking flange. I can remember well the frustration Carman has with his 'high profile name FMIC installed by a very high profile company' blowing hoses off the plain shank pipes for 3 hill climb weekends after paying about £1800 for parts and installation.

Might spray the pipes to take the shine off them as the rest of my engine bay 'bling' is functional rather than 'smart'

Looking good for some long cold weekends and evenings soon.
Still not convinced to reverse the inlet at this stage though.

Graham.

 

More thermal wrap rather than paint Graham

 

Yes, especially over the turbo, can look a bit naff though. Will have to do a tidy job of it for once
Graham.

 

hello,

graham, do you have pics of your engine bay like after/before?

is it ok to spray or wrap the fmic pipes?

 

CMP:

No, not yet. I expect to start the job early next week after my wedding anniversary this weekend...

The idea is to keep all the pipes as free of heat soak as possible, and i think paint and wrap on every pipe will do it.
Remembering that black (or dark) surfaces absorb and disperse heat the best, the polished finish of the pipes will reflect the heat and those painted black will absorb it like mad. This is why (partly) car radiators are painted black.
I want to try to keep the engine bay neat as I can and certainly not bling.

I think I will open the inner OS wing as much as i can to allow the current ducting to get outside air to the foam filter I now have.

I'm surprised how heavy the FMIC is, something nobody has ever commented on!

Graham

 

FMIC, .. I trust you will be wine/dining your good lady wife after her buying you a wedding anniversary present, she must be fed up with EVO more than you ..

John

 

Thats 'cause it's light (7.5Kg), the one I just removed was 14.5 Kg.

 

so, if I understood ok... you will wrap it and then paint it black?...

 

No, just wrap it over the turbo where the heat rise is greatest when the car is running but stationary.
I will use the type used on my exhaust i think.

Bigbrakes:

There will be 2 EVO's in my class this year, and the new guy is faster than my arch rival.
At best that leaves me in 3rd place every meeting.....something to look forwards to eh?
I doubt the aniversary pressie will be much, a small bag of Thorntons if I'm lucky and some stainless hose clips if she's lucky!
(she is hardened to the motorsport/car thing)

The FMIC must be about 3 x the weight of the Sti V8 and right at the front of the car...was this a good idea?

AST's tomorrow!

Graham

 

...the weight in front will help to not understeer...

 

does exhaust wrap work when you are trying to keep heat out rather than in? always wondered that

 

It will delay the temperature of the gas inside reaching the ambient outside.

So hot exhaust gasses stay hotter, cold gasses stay colder. The only time you wouldn't want wrap on the FMIC tubes is on sections where the ambient is cooler than the charge.

Thats my take on it

 

Yep, it's not sided Kev it's just a high temperature insulation material...I've bought some ceramic cloth with a reflective foil side to experiment with on my car, 1m x 1.2m for under 30 quid from these guys: Car Builder solutions

 

That's the sort of stuff I've used, 'thermal blanket' I think it was described as. Used it around the turbo and cut into strips to wrap the engine bay FMIC pipes (length ways not exhaust wrap style). All held together with ali adhesive tape.