WR1 Wannabe

It wasn't the power figure I was questioning - it was the revs!

He has max torque at 4800 instead of 4000 (4800/4000 = 20% over) and max power at 6862 instead of 5800 (6862/5800 = 18% over).

If that was indicative of a problem (may or may not be), it might explain why he finds the car bogs down at the lights and 'can take years to recover'.

achad

I find just the opposite. I was very pleasantly surprised with the low down torque. Driving around town is a doddle. In my old MY98 she would not like going 40 in 5th or 30 in 4th etc very much. In the WR1 I can quite nicely accelerate 10mph over what ever gear i have engaged. I'm talking town accelerating not grip and brace

Re: pulling from lights. I can't remember if you said u have had a scoob b4 or not but I do find on a moderate to fast starts from lights it is 'easier' to get bogged down in the WR1 with out using high revs. I'm just putting this 1st and foremost to my cack skills and 2nd the increase in weight and maybe the DCCD being a bit grippier and therefor needing to increase the throttle that bit more??

Your power out put peaks does not sound like how mine behaves but I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination

Brian the Sn@il

maybe we should all get onto a rooling road together and compare.

Mines well down in the torque dept..

Has anyone else taken the WR1 onto a rolling road to see if its anywhere close to whats its suposed to be >>??

Its no good sayig.. Mines pulls well, dosent mean nothing, we need to know the power curves from a RR session.

at 4000 rpm i have 240 lbs torque, 187 BHP, 19psi boost.

had a type R version 5 before the WR1.

Gee WR1

Hi Martin
U might get it the end of the week if your lucky(got mine 2weeks exactly after getting pack)
Maybe your wife will have it run in 4 u getting back home

Graeme

Gee WR1

[QUOTE=Brian the Sn@il]maybe we should all get onto a rooling road together and compare.


Would be intrested 2 here folks results, see what the average is. Im over 2 hours drive from nearest RR so won't be finding out myself.

chris's scooby

which county r u in Gee WR1?

Gee WR1

Highlands, not far from inverness.

chris's scooby

Too far for me to go on a RR. I'm about as far away from u as u can get, down on the south coast of england.

Gee WR1

Aye living in the country does have drawbacks like that but is made up for that 5mins from the house & u have some amazing roads 2 drive

chris's scooby

Country life's better, no doubt.

Gee WR1

Aye makes u glad when u hear the scary stories on here of what city owners have 2 put up with. Not saying theft don't happen up here just not 2 the same amount. Still take all the usual precautions.

WR1 Wannabe

Hmm - that's 30% less torque than you should have at those revs, which I would call significant.

If a car does not conform to advertised specifications (within reason) then wouldn't you have a case to return the vehicle and ask for it to be put right? Nobody has bought a WR1 for the stereo - it is the performance, including the improved low-down grunt, it's supposed to have.

I realise that different results can be obtained from different RRs, and from the same RRs on different days, but I would have thought that would apply more to the peak figures obtained, rather than to the characteristics of the curves, no?

p1doc

i heard from one dealer who said the output can vary car to car with some cars putting out 325bhp!
martin

ARRON BIRD

Why dont you boys run em in a bit harder

WR1 Wannabe

Funny you should say that. I read an (obviously controversial) article recently written by a car enthusiast who reckons that the harder you run a car in the better. He said you should only drive it gently for the first 20 miles, because that's all it takes to bed the piston rings in. After that, if you continue to drive it gently you will just settle the engine into a state where it can't develop as much power as it would if you used the full rev range from the start.

I read some responses along the lines of, "Surely manufacturers know best, and if that was true they wouldn't have such a specific break in regime", which is kinda how I'd look at it.

But it's food for thought, anyway.

chris's scooby

so if it's not a silly question how have people run their cars in, both WR1's and sti's?

jaycee

Well I'm running the STI in as per the manual, not over 4k......... well not often anyway!! Seriously though, they wouldn't say keep it under 4k if it wasn't important. Would they?

Jason

WR1 Bro

I would like to agree with WR1 Wannabe. Running a car in gets so boring and if it was right to thrash it from the off then that would be so cool. Having said that with the WR1 I personally believe since the car feels and handles so different to my WRX PPP that the run in period helps you gradually get used to how the car performs.

I'm know naff all about cars so I will find this hard to explain. When you hit a island at speed the car goes round it really well but compared to the WRX PPP the WR1 seems to go a little light. All I have put this down to is being in a higher gear because of the running in process but I have tried it in the WRX PPP in a higher gear and it doesn't account for all of the difference. I'm guessing this is the DCCD causing this weird sensation???

Also people say there is a memory to the ECU on how you drive the car? Surely if you are running it in it must think you are an old granny? How long does it take to remove this historic driving habit from the memory when you have fully run in your car? Is it best to get the memory reset? I assume you can do this?

Told you I know naff all!!

Lemmy

I spoke to an WR1 owner (lady in early 20s) at last night's Abingdon Jap Car meet who was about to decat it. Her partner showed me the new downpipe. They have no plans to do an ecu remap though. I did advise them to get a remap to avoid boost control problems and a potential blown engine, but they didn't seem to take the advice seriously

Alan

Neilo

I also agree with WR! Wannabe on the running in front, now i only have a "lowly" 03WRX but on two seperate rolling road sessions it had developed 248bhp and 252bhp with just a panel filter + bb modification (both incidentally were after 10k miles had been covered)

BUT although i was sensible during the first thousand miles i didnt exactly adhere to the 4k limit.....i dont mean that i redlined at every opportunity (in fact ive never personally redlined the car at all) but i did take it past 4k on a fair few occasions, and from what i can make out its done it the world of good in the grunt department!!!

Cheers,
Neil.

Neilo

Alan, thats not good news for them......

I hear it was a good turn out last night, shame i couldnt make it,
(i was one of the peeps that you showed the secs monitor to, was in the silver wrx (loan car @the time))

Neil.

Brian the Sn@il

OK Folks ive sorted out a Rolling Road Event to see what the WR1s have.

The WR1 SHOOTOUT !!

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...86#post3502386

Ive reserved 6 WR1s

lets see who has the Most Powerfull Standard WR1

and the Most Powerfull Modded WR1

STi owners are welcome to come along to see what the PPP can do.

will be good to get some results in writting on these WR1s

Brian the Sn@il

I spoke to Clive Attohowe regarding re maps and he spoke to Merv at ECUTEK

to sum up a rather long conversation. THe map on the WR1 in standard form is about the best they can do, if they could get the turbo to spool up sooner they would.

Pro Drive have done their best with the map, in standard form.

The only way to get more BHP is for the De cat route etc etc...

Will be great to get a Modded WR1 at the Event, we will blank the No. Plates if those do not want to go Public

MikeWood

Can I ask why everyone thinks that decatting a WR1 that already has a properly designed downpipe is going to make the car quicker?

Remember that the cat has a surface area 4 x larger than the rest of the exhaust system and its made of foil that's less than 0.2mm thick so it's not restrictive in any way. That's without mentioning the benefits of the additional volume the inlet and outlet cones provide.

In our early STi PPP testing we found that a catless downpipe with identical design of header produced more backpressure and less power.

Mike

njkmr

Keeping my ***** were it belongs I thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary C

err.... sorry

njkmr

Wont be de-catting mine that is.

Squirrel_Head

What's with the mods on the WR1??

I've read the mag reviews and know all about Top Gear but from someone who actually has a WR1 and has thrown it about a bit (in the confines of an airfield) I found the car to be extremely well set up and handle perfectly.

My car was also driven by Andy who does the 1st Lotus training days. This guy is a professional racing driver. He drove (perhaps piloted would be a better description!) the car with the diff both on manual and auto and I've never seen someone have so much fun driving a car in my life! He said it was one of the best set-up cars he had ever driven!

So my question has to be if people are modding their WR1's what the hell are you doing with your cars (or maybe more to the point, where!!)