seepy - agree with you.

hypocrasy rules in todays society
i ain't one of them either - i don't smoke or drink, swear or speed!

bollo*ks! i left my **** at the village pub, and now i am late, must race down there to pick em up - oh dear its a two mile drive - ah well should make it in under two mins - never mind...

lol

weava

 

Sorry Dr Evil,

But after all the flaming it's difficult to remember what the thread was all about?!
Apart from slating somebody who has had a bad experience. I'm sure if I posted my experience of nearly hitting a Deer a couple of weeks ago I would be flamed. Even though the thing nearly jumped on my bonnet.And yes I was driving too fast but it was a straight piece of road but I'm sure it's still my fault!!! Eh flamers?

Perhaps I can suggest a 'Flame free' Forum where people can post they're experiences without risk of recrimination?

 

Not passing any judgement on this one due to lack of info but I must be one of those alleged few (though I actually think more than a few of us are responsible here) who drives within their ability to stop within visual range pretty much all of the time.
I can't believe so many think its cool to be out of control!! (cos thats exactly what it is sin't it?)

The only mods on my current motor are uprated brakes n wheels.

regarding this incident, like has been said previously what if it was a fallen cyclist???

Though I'd have to admit you'd have to be on top of your game to see a dark bin lying round a corner on a dark road.

As an aside to BOB T you will find that some kids WILL act like said bin and freeze with fear when faced with a fast oncoming car.

Unfortunately when I was a nipper this happened to one of my friends on a crossing of a dual carriageway. She never had a chance.

Maybe thats why now I've grown up I get fecked off with n0bkins boasting about racing, doing a ton or whatever round the streets of major cities saying they don't need to save it for the track. Thats just an accident waiting to happen

anyway, sorry to hear of your damage mate

 

Okay,
Firstly,thanks for all the comments, @ least the majority of reply's are well thought out & with a mature attitude!
Secondly,It suddenly dawned on me that maybe I should give the local Plod a call just to put them in the frame about what happened and possibly gain any clout re insurance!! (having not been through this agro before)..
Well in turns out that somebody travelling to Hastings @ approx the same sort of time made a mobile call to the nick repoting that a group of kids on BMXs had been seen moving bins into the road!!
I cannot believe the stupid fcukwitts would be so idiotic to do this........
A second phone call to them, "Yes Sir we are looking into this today and will be in contact should we get any more info!! Maybe it wouldnt be a bad idea to act straight away before things get nasty!!
Im really hopping this will speed things up on the claim front, at least ive got some form of crime report that will back up this ****ty mess
Once again thanks for the support you lot!!With the exception to a few,
Will let you all know the outcome as it happens with pics asap
Oh, now been demotted to the wifes BMW 518i !!
I must say it aint as quick as an STi7, but its a **** more comfortable!!
Regards
Andy

 

Kids moving bins into the road is irresponsible. So is driving in a manner that means you can't avoid one.

Driving safely in a Subaru isn't hypocritical. The limits are higher meaning that progressive driving is safer - you can't take the higher margins as an incentive to put yourself and other people at risk because the thrill is lacking. People that try to justify this way of thinking should be put in Ladas... to get their kicks at a lower speed and make up for their poor judgement.

The police are taught to be proactive and take responsibility for their driving, and so should you. They drive Imprezas and always match speed to vision; take a leaf out of their book, the life you save may be your own.

 

what gives some of you the right to be a critic on andys driving skills or capabilitys? do you live your day to day lives telling people you know best?

 

Look, lets get one thing straight here,I wasnt ripping the pants of the car and nor being irresponsible!!
As I have said Im not new to scoobs and performance cars,a few of you know me on here and will probably veryfy that!!
Yes I hit the BIN, and lucky enough not a fallen biker or kiddie or beast!!

 

I'm afraid that I simply don't believe those who are saying that they always drive at a speed and distance where they can stop within the visible distance. I can accept that they may drive at a speed where they have a chance of avoiding a collision, but to drive at a speed where they can actually come to a complete standstill would mean driving so slowly that you would have other road users beeping, trying to overtake etc. Do this on the motorway and you will end up leaving such a large gap between you and the car in front that it will constantly get filled in by people overtaking or dropping in from other lanes, meaning that you will be having to slow up all the time to maintain the gap.

I appreciate the theory, but you have to live in the *real* world.

Charlie.


[Edited by ProperCharlie - 11/26/2002 3:35:45 PM]

 

What about the pics????

 

ProperCharlie,

We, as a community of drivers, are trying to convince people that we know about appropriate use of speed and should be trusted to make decisions without cameras to enforce inappropriately low limits.
By conducting ourselves in a manner that means we can't avoid stationary objects we do nothing to advance our cause.

 

I can totally sympathise with Andy - we heard a noise last night, I thought it was our neighbours putting the bins out. About 2 mins later I heard a screech of tyres and thought someone was coming through our living room wall.

I went outside and the 2 bins I had put on the pavement at the end of our drive (which incidently sits opposite a corner with high hedge on the inside of the corner) where lying in the middle of the road - some little toerags had moved them and our neighbours bins into the middle of the road, so that as someone came round the corner they would smash into them.

My neighbours came out and we made sure the driver was ok (they were doing about 25mph) and fortunately didn't hit anything or anyone.

If I catch the little ******* who did this - I will be taking them straight down the nick. It also helps that my neighbour is a Policeman....

F**king little bast4rds... So, the moral is, no matter what speed you are doing, you can get caught out through no fault of your own.

So get off your F**king high horses - or are you all perfect? Because if you are then we should all worry - the time when we all believe we know everything is when we know the least. I am sure Andy has learnt from the experience.

Jim

 

Andy,

normally i would be thinking that you were going too fast for the corner for the simple reason that you couldn't stop in time.

However, I had an 'incident' last night that makes me think that might not be the case.

I was on a wide, straight, empty road with a 2 week old baby in the car (ie. driving very carefully). I was watching to road ahead as i was approaching a few junctions and barely noticed the unpainted 6 inch high speed bump in the road about 15 feet in front of the car. I couldn't slow down in time and as a result launched the front wheel off the deck, almost ripped the side skirt off, woke up the sprog and got an undeserved punch from my girlfriend.

It just showed me that some incidents are pretty much unavoidable even when driving safely, within speed limits, within the cars limits, and within your own driving limits.

Hope you get your car sorted soon...

 

MrDefence - by and large I agree with you, however I do think in some situations it is only practical to assume that, say, the car 200 yards in front won't go from 80 to 0 in a matter of a couple of seconds, or they won't have suddenly ended the road at the exit of a blind bend, or a spaced out teenager won't be lying down on the other side of the hump backed bridge...

 

Thank god someone else realised this! As the last post shows, accidents can happen as well no matter how slowly or safely your driving. All speed does is increase the risks and increase the damage if a crash occurs...it seldom in itself actually causes a crash - scoats putting bins in the road do that [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

 

One less on the road then Well, we all pay road tax, they don't and expect us to get out of the ******* way for them!

You lot must go round corners at 10mph just incase there is nothing on the road! Yeah right, talking out of your @rses as usual!

I had to resit my driving test (for my new job) this morning on a simulator on a country road and I didn't alter my driving, like doing 10 mph round corners "just incase" but I only had 1 fault! Yes just 1 fault! How many of you could do that then! The fault was actually forgetting to check my blind spot when pulling away at the beginning of the test!

Bad luck about the bin but $hit happens and you live to tell the tale and just ignore all the ******* self-righteous do-gooders on here, I do

AJ

 

so Charlie are you saying that when you drive on the motorway you deliberately don't leave enough room to react and if the car in front of you stopped suddenly you know you would run into the back of it?

Seems a bit of an odd approach

AJ - nice way of looking at the cyclist issue. I see why you are with SB now. and thats a pretty basic fault for which you should really fail your test


agree that the little ******* need their hands cutting off though :-)

[Edited by juan - 11/26/2002 4:24:54 PM]

 

You lot are certifiable.
SB - Doesn't matter who caused it. You have crashed.

Look at it this way - everytime you go around a bend in that manner you are betting that there is nothing in the way. Your stake is your life and your car.
You take that bet. Slow down, taking the chips off the table or carry on with that bet. You only need be unlucky once.

About objects on the motorway... you should try following a car that is driving down the motorway in lane 3, which suddenly takes avoiding action because of debris on the road (like a stationary car perpendicual to the carriageway without lights). Or you should try coming round a "blind" bend to find a horse stationary. Fortunately I was practising what I preach. I am alive and grateful for it.
YMMV.
Good luck...

 

I think you'll find most people posting up are still alive, so they can't be going that far wrong

Have I? ****? I better nip home and check the car didn't start itself and crash its way out the carport So what your saying is if I'm driving down a street under the speed limit and someone pulls out of nowhere in front of me (despite me having right of way) and I can't avoid a crash then I should sit at home and feel guilty about it??? You really believe that???

So I take you past your test with no minors Juan? Your saying that everytime you go out in the car you always check your mirrors and blind spots before moving off or changing speed, you always indicate before changing lanes or turning, you never speed, you feed the steering wheel through, etc...HA HA HA HA I've never had such a laugh in my life!

AJ I think your talking cr@p by the way! If you were driving the way you normally do the instructor would be sh1tting it....even in a simulator

 

mr deference,

you really are amzing mate,

quote by you on police drivers:

"They drive Imprezas and always match speed to vision; take a leaf out of their book, the life you save may be your own. "

utter, utter rubbish. why if this is the case and the police are such perfect drivers, do we see all the press attention surrounding "superior" police drivers involved in accidents where people are dying? i love the use of the word "always" - TOSH!

don't say things you can not substantiate -

no-bodies perfect -least of all me.

reality check needed me thinks,

no offence mate - just think you are way off - or a copper
weava

 

SB,
Don't really understand what you are saying. I wrote the text that you see before you, not something about being driven into...

In the context of driving around a blind bend, and hitting something stationary, speed is pivotal. Driving along the road and have someone drive into you is nothing to do with speed. However, in the eyes of the law, the party at fault is obvious in one example, and despite your assertion, not in the other.

 

this seems to be getting a bit silly. the idea of driving at a speed which would allow you to stop within the space you can see is a lovely theory, but how far do you take it? do you thing to yourself, "I wonder if there has been a diesel spill around this corner. Better knock another 5 mph off my speed. There could also be a cyclist who has skidded on the diesel and is lying in the road. That'll be another 5 mph then. Oh hang on, he might have skidded into a bin and knocked that into the road. Another 5mph. Oh and maybe someone else has already hit the bin, while taking evasive action to avoid the cyclist. I'll just park up here while I walk around the corner to see if its clear." Ok so thats a bit extreme and I'm not taking the mickey out of people who say (correctly) that you should drive within your limits to react, but there are so many factors involved and you cannot prepare for every single one unless you want a queue of irate drivers behind you, many of whom will get frustrated at being held up and take unnecessary risks to overtake.
Come on people, lighten up. The poor chap has damaged his car. He hasnt hurt anyone. I dont see any evidence that he was driving like a lunatic. He just got unlucky.

Steve

 

I don't remember saying all that saxo but you bet I check my mirrors and blind spot every time. Don't you? Thought you said you were a competent driver! Its basic rule #1 in the highway code mate, yep the very first basic rule mentioned in the book. Back to school!!!.

Also yes of course I always indicate before turning or changing lanes each time. Otherwise how are other road users to know what I'm going to do??? I guess you're exempt from that basic good manners rule too and you're one of these tw@ts who just pootles round roundabouts without indicating or seems to think its their right to pull out in front of someone on a motorway without indicating etc. sure sounds like it. Take a look at yourself and what you're writing ffs!

I might be guilty of not feeding the wheel all the time I admit!


and AJ, you should give cyclists as much room as a car. Its official:
http://www.roads.dft.gov.uk/roadsafety/hc/15.shtml#139

 

weava,
You are clearly correct.
Let me rephrase. Police are taught and understand the importance of matching speed to vision. People on this thread maintain that it is of no importance. I beg to differ.
That's all.

 

MrDeference - If i every find you on a country road, please get the **** out of my way. It's obvious that while you spend all of your time driving slow enough to avoid everthing which could be round the next corner, you, yourself are creating an obstruction and you may find someone parking in the rear of your car.

 

cool mr D,
glad you see my point, i don't think that every one on this thread is saying, ok, nice little scandinavian flick into each bend and lets have it broadside round each corner though!

i feel that this thread has got a bit silly -

as i said at the beginning,

andy,
i am very sorry you whacked the motor and in light of the "childs play" that led to the accident all i can say is "ggggrrrrr!"

hope it all gets sorted -
weava out.

 

I know that Juan but just not fair as we pay to be on the roads and they don't!

SB, I was on my very best behaviour! I'll teach you if you want

AJ

 

From the bit I do, cycling on roads is not a very pleasent experience, unlike driving motors, and I sure wouldn't want to pay for the 'pleasure' of having cars try to tickle my handlebars as they try to squeeze between me on one side and a middle of the road traffic island their other rather than wait 5 yards for safe overtaking opportunities! :-)

someone's gonna have to show me how to do a proper smilie one day!

[Edited by juan - 11/26/2002 5:05:18 PM]

 

Brun, I certainly will mate. I'll indicate left and let you past as soon as possible, as I do everyone who is driving quicker than me. Who knows - they may have the ESP mod

Mista,
Yeah. I came on here initially to offer Andy condolences, cos it's sh***y, and it's not nice when your car gets bent.

I only posted what I did because there are people on here having a go at people who decide to drive safely as if they are some sort of leper, or calling them a liar and saying that it's not possible.

 

AJ

Now speaking as a subaru driving cyclist!

I object big style to this argument about cyclists having to pay to use the roads

I may be wrong here but surely road tax is charged to cover road maintenance. I have seen some pretty fat cyclists but so far I've still to see one creating a pothole. Think emissions are pretty low as well from cyclists (heinz beans eating dependent though

I would say road tax to be charged on a gross weight basis.

Surely big trucks damage the roads more than a 11 stone cyclist and his 25lb bike

Now, on another point. When I'm in the car I hate cyclists [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] but give them a huge berth (especially the fat ones )

But when I'm on the bike I hate motorists....

I hope you see what I mean.

PS Sorry to here about the rubbish bin incident mate. Hope the bill ain't too drastic.

 

Just seen this. Sorry to hear about this Andy.

Bloomin Dustbins!

I think I know the roads you mean. If not then similar ones can be found when going from Rye to Appledore towards Tenterden. Would not like to do those at night


And yes, one could see it from both sides, but hey, lives and learns, and i can't cast the first stone as I don't exactly drive like a saint on lovely roads like those.

Hope it all gets sorted mate.

Glad you are ok though.