View Poll Results: Who will get your vote
Conservative
19
29.69%
Labour
8
12.50%
Liberal Democrats
11
17.19%
Brexit Party
10
15.63%
SNP
0
0%
Green
2
3.13%
Plaid Cymru
0
0%
DUP
1
1.56%
Other (Sinn Fein, Change UK, Independent etc)
3
4.69%
Not voting
7
10.94%
Don't Know
3
4.69%
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0
0%
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UK General Election 2019
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https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50596192
So what is Boris hiding from? Is he worried that his lack of any form of plan other that "get Brexit done" might be exposed?
So what is Boris hiding from? Is he worried that his lack of any form of plan other that "get Brexit done" might be exposed?
This is the problem in the UK, no one wants to pay taxes.....They all want amazing QOL and services but do not want to pay a penny for it. And then when taxes do need to be levied they blame immigrants for burdening the nation and inadvertently raising the taxation needs. I pay 52% tax here in the Netherlands....and I do not mind it as my QOL here is great.
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For the large part this country is split pretty much 50:50 between people who want to pay their own way in life and not subsidise others and those that believe that part of what they input should is going into a pot that is distributed to provide for both themselves and others.
And therin lies a problem; Those that don’t want to pay in (regardless of wealth) and those who do or believe they do but actually don’t pay anywhere near enough for the expected services they want to be provided to both themselves and others.
The result; a shortfall. We will never get impeccable public services or infrastructure because more of us demand more without actually paying enough in...take a teacher that retires early. A child born into a wheelchair with no prospect of growing into a working individual (controversial, I know but a unconvienient truth if we want to care). The asylum seeker (‘nuff said). The smoker now suffering COPD. The obese type 2 diabetics. I could go on but I’ve probably ruffled enough feathers
What is the trouble is those who believe that what they pay in covers them AND others. IMO in a large point it doesn’t, if it did our streets would be washed everyday (which they do in some countries), roads would have no potholes, superb public transport, we’d house everyone including the foreigners and our health and social services would impeccable. Of course, it is far from that, so we all have blame someone for that; big businesses, the Tories, banks, benefit scrounges, tax dodgers/avoiders....Hell, why not just blame Shylock whilst we’re here (yes Shakespeare was probably anti-semite well before the term was hijacked off the *****) Whatever, with so much political divide and and trying to balance a socialist ideal in a capitalist economy obsessed with growth figures it’s just not going to work out...worse still political parties further divide rather than unify thinking.
And therin lies a problem; Those that don’t want to pay in (regardless of wealth) and those who do or believe they do but actually don’t pay anywhere near enough for the expected services they want to be provided to both themselves and others.
The result; a shortfall. We will never get impeccable public services or infrastructure because more of us demand more without actually paying enough in...take a teacher that retires early. A child born into a wheelchair with no prospect of growing into a working individual (controversial, I know but a unconvienient truth if we want to care). The asylum seeker (‘nuff said). The smoker now suffering COPD. The obese type 2 diabetics. I could go on but I’ve probably ruffled enough feathers
What is the trouble is those who believe that what they pay in covers them AND others. IMO in a large point it doesn’t, if it did our streets would be washed everyday (which they do in some countries), roads would have no potholes, superb public transport, we’d house everyone including the foreigners and our health and social services would impeccable. Of course, it is far from that, so we all have blame someone for that; big businesses, the Tories, banks, benefit scrounges, tax dodgers/avoiders....Hell, why not just blame Shylock whilst we’re here (yes Shakespeare was probably anti-semite well before the term was hijacked off the *****) Whatever, with so much political divide and and trying to balance a socialist ideal in a capitalist economy obsessed with growth figures it’s just not going to work out...worse still political parties further divide rather than unify thinking.
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British Nurses flocking to Aus , where I am presently
The well off don’t care about Tory lies of course
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...296.html%3famp
The well off don’t care about Tory lies of course
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...296.html%3famp
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Just watched BBC breakfast (morning off work) ...Farage got an easy time, gentle questions, little grilling and just a friendly chat. Almost feels like BBC breakfast is pro-Brexit-Party 
Usually they pitch a shouty lefty on the other end of the sofa (or video link) to but in and interrupt constantly or the interviewer tries to out-do Paxman and poorly attempts to catch him out.
Usually they pitch a shouty lefty on the other end of the sofa (or video link) to but in and interrupt constantly or the interviewer tries to out-do Paxman and poorly attempts to catch him out.
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Just watched BBC breakfast (morning off work) ...Farage got an easy time, gentle questions, little grilling and just a friendly chat. Almost feels like BBC breakfast is pro-Brexit-Party
Usually they pitch a shouty lefty on the other end of the sofa (or video link) to but in and interrupt constantly or the interviewer tries to out-do Paxman and poorly attempts to catch him out.
Usually they pitch a shouty lefty on the other end of the sofa (or video link) to but in and interrupt constantly or the interviewer tries to out-do Paxman and poorly attempts to catch him out.
hes taken a dive in the polls
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Buying goods from the EU, the VAT is "usually" prepaid at the rate in the EU Country you are purchasing the goods from which can be lower than the UK rate.
You are paying the UK Customs not the EU if buying from China.
Using your quoted figures
£18 UK Customs VAT charge would equate to a goods value (including postage) of about £90.
Goods below £15in value rarely get charged.
Import Duty is not due until the value of goods (only) is above £135
The £8 to Royal Mail is their administration/handling charge for collecting the VAT and clearing your item through Customs.
You are paying the UK Customs not the EU if buying from China.
Using your quoted figures
£18 UK Customs VAT charge would equate to a goods value (including postage) of about £90.
Goods below £15in value rarely get charged.
Import Duty is not due until the value of goods (only) is above £135
The £8 to Royal Mail is their administration/handling charge for collecting the VAT and clearing your item through Customs.
The EU duty is usually prepaid for on ebay when ordering from the states. It can be as much as £500 for the torches I want. I've never been stung for any amount when ordering from EU nations.
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Been stung by the EU twice in less than 2 months for items under £60. Their understanding is the Import duty from non EU nations is to encourage me to buy from the EU, they add a value onto items to match what they feel I'd pay in the EU, the company who mainly sends me torches for review sends them as very cheap items. Occasionally USA companies do this for me too. I'll keep the next label I get stung for.
The EU duty is usually prepaid for on ebay when ordering from the states. It can be as much as £500 for the torches I want. I've never been stung for any amount when ordering from EU nations.
The EU duty is usually prepaid for on ebay when ordering from the states. It can be as much as £500 for the torches I want. I've never been stung for any amount when ordering from EU nations.
The EU is not making up a price they think you should pay when you import from the US, nor are you paying a penny to the EU. The reality is, the UK together with the other 27 EU member states have agreed on a common tariff for imports, in your case for torches, from non EU countries that don't have a trade agreement that covers torches.
The tariff you pay is a percentage based on the price you paid for the goods including transport. I don't know what the rate is for torches, but you can easily look it up. Because it's a percentage, the higher the price, then the more tax you'll also have to pay. The tax you pay is paid to the UK Exchequer, not to the EU! Once they've calculated the import duties, then they will also add VAT which each EU county has full control over the VAT rate and the goods which are applicable, in the case of the UK, you have to pay 20% VAT. Part of the reason why buying from the US is so cheap in the first place is because you don't pay US VAT on export goods, so you will only be paying VAT once. Some companies may include the tariffs and VAT in the sale price and manage the payment for you, but you'll probably be paying extra for the service which may be more expensive than paying the duties yourself when the goods arrive although delivery will be slower and more of a hassle.
When you buy something from another EU country, then the customs union means that there are no trade restrictions, so no import tariffs are applied and VAT is paid in the country of purchase not the country of destination. Germany for example charges 19% VAT, 1% less than the UK, so you may generally see 1% cheaper prices in Germany compared to the UK. If the goods were manufactured outside the EU, then the same import tariffs will already have been applied when the EU seller imported them which is why the price within the EU will often be similar to the process you pay from imports from the US.
When we leave the EU and do not stay in the customs union and if any trade deal we get with the EU does not eliminate the tariffs from the EU, then you'll be 'stung' by the UK for all your imported torches be it from the US or the EU. THAT'S WTO RULES!
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Pretty damning comments from one of Corbyns own
Jonathan Ashworth
"Outside of the city seats, if you are in small town midlands and north, it’s abysmal out there. They don’t like [Boris] Johnson, but they can’t stand [Jeremy] Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. "
Full transcript available online via Guardian or listen to full audio clip 11mins
Jonathan Ashworth
"Outside of the city seats, if you are in small town midlands and north, it’s abysmal out there. They don’t like [Boris] Johnson, but they can’t stand [Jeremy] Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. "
Full transcript available online via Guardian or listen to full audio clip 11mins
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Pretty damning comments from one of Corbyns own
Jonathan Ashworth
"Outside of the city seats, if you are in small town midlands and north, it’s abysmal out there. They don’t like [Boris] Johnson, but they can’t stand [Jeremy] Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. "
Full transcript available online via Guardian or listen to full audio clip 11mins
Jonathan Ashworth
"Outside of the city seats, if you are in small town midlands and north, it’s abysmal out there. They don’t like [Boris] Johnson, but they can’t stand [Jeremy] Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. "
Full transcript available online via Guardian or listen to full audio clip 11mins
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Even if he gets a majority, I can imagine many of his back-benchers are not fully behind him and will rebel sooner or later.
Farage not standing in Tory seats has certainly helped Johnson, but may still slit the leave vote in Labour marginals. The Lib Dems are also likely to take some marginal seats from the Tories and Johnsons own seat is very much at risk - I'd love it if he lost his seat!
My prediction is still that he'll fall short of a majority by a couple of seats. He'll make some gains in England, but but loses in Scotland. SNP and Lib Dems are likely to be kingmakers in a hung parliament!
Farage not standing in Tory seats has certainly helped Johnson, but may still slit the leave vote in Labour marginals. The Lib Dems are also likely to take some marginal seats from the Tories and Johnsons own seat is very much at risk - I'd love it if he lost his seat!
My prediction is still that he'll fall short of a majority by a couple of seats. He'll make some gains in England, but but loses in Scotland. SNP and Lib Dems are likely to be kingmakers in a hung parliament!
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Even if he gets a majority, I can imagine many of his back-benchers are not fully behind him and will rebel sooner or later.
Farage not standing in Tory seats has certainly helped Johnson, but may still slit the leave vote in Labour marginals. The Lib Dems are also likely to take some marginal seats from the Tories and Johnsons own seat is very much at risk - I'd love it if he lost his seat!
My prediction is still that he'll fall short of a majority by a couple of seats. He'll make some gains in England, but but loses in Scotland. SNP and Lib Dems are likely to be kingmakers in a hung parliament!
Farage not standing in Tory seats has certainly helped Johnson, but may still slit the leave vote in Labour marginals. The Lib Dems are also likely to take some marginal seats from the Tories and Johnsons own seat is very much at risk - I'd love it if he lost his seat!
My prediction is still that he'll fall short of a majority by a couple of seats. He'll make some gains in England, but but loses in Scotland. SNP and Lib Dems are likely to be kingmakers in a hung parliament!
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If Labour get a spanking in the Election tomorrow - will JC still be leader on Friday?
He seems to have been a hard sell on the doorsteps of Britain, even before we heard the Jonathan Ashworth 'joking around' revelation - can't help thinking that a different leader would have made this GE a LOT closer....
He seems to have been a hard sell on the doorsteps of Britain, even before we heard the Jonathan Ashworth 'joking around' revelation - can't help thinking that a different leader would have made this GE a LOT closer....
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I can't imagine he will stay in the role long...what will really be interesting is what happens in the event of a hung parliament; who stays and who goes...?
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If Labour get a spanking in the Election tomorrow - will JC still be leader on Friday?
He seems to have been a hard sell on the doorsteps of Britain, even before we heard the Jonathan Ashworth 'joking around' revelation - can't help thinking that a different leader would have made this GE a LOT closer....
He seems to have been a hard sell on the doorsteps of Britain, even before we heard the Jonathan Ashworth 'joking around' revelation - can't help thinking that a different leader would have made this GE a LOT closer....
For me Corbyn is very much the right man for Labour, the problem is that most Labour MPs are more Lib Dem than Labour, but are forced to Labour to stand a chance of winning with the archaic FPTP election system.
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Anyone heard anything from Jacob Ress-Mogg in this election?
Funny how the Tories always hide all their wacko's in the closet during an election campaign and only let them out again when the can do no more harm! What's the betting Rees-Mogg will be all over the news on Friday?
Funny how the Tories always hide all their wacko's in the closet during an election campaign and only let them out again when the can do no more harm! What's the betting Rees-Mogg will be all over the news on Friday?
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Anyone heard anything from Jacob Ress-Mogg in this election?
Funny how the Tories always hide all their wacko's in the closet during an election campaign and only let them out again when the can do no more harm! What's the betting Rees-Mogg will be all over the news on Friday?
Funny how the Tories always hide all their wacko's in the closet during an election campaign and only let them out again when the can do no more harm! What's the betting Rees-Mogg will be all over the news on Friday?
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Moggs bit liablty , but mainly hes just too busy counting how much cash hes making / going to make
Abotts had some genuine mental problems imo , so why would she be out front
Abotts had some genuine mental problems imo , so why would she be out front
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Hence her photo opportunity last month she took with a few Jews obviously in aim to show she is against Jewish anti-semitism, unfortunately (for her) the guy is a Homophobic anti-LGBT protester!
That gaffe really should have got more air time than Mog’s Grenfell comment.
The following statement is complete and utter B0LL0CK$...
The EU is not making up a price they think you should pay when you import from the US, nor are you paying a penny to the EU. The reality is, the UK together with the other 27 EU member states have agreed on a common tariff for imports, in your case for torches, from non EU countries that don't have a trade agreement that covers torches.
The tariff you pay is a percentage based on the price you paid for the goods including transport. I don't know what the rate is for torches, but you can easily look it up. Because it's a percentage, the higher the price, then the more tax you'll also have to pay. The tax you pay is paid to the UK Exchequer, not to the EU! Once they've calculated the import duties, then they will also add VAT which each EU county has full control over the VAT rate and the goods which are applicable, in the case of the UK, you have to pay 20% VAT. Part of the reason why buying from the US is so cheap in the first place is because you don't pay US VAT on export goods, so you will only be paying VAT once. Some companies may include the tariffs and VAT in the sale price and manage the payment for you, but you'll probably be paying extra for the service which may be more expensive than paying the duties yourself when the goods arrive although delivery will be slower and more of a hassle.
When you buy something from another EU country, then the customs union means that there are no trade restrictions, so no import tariffs are applied and VAT is paid in the country of purchase not the country of destination. Germany for example charges 19% VAT, 1% less than the UK, so you may generally see 1% cheaper prices in Germany compared to the UK. If the goods were manufactured outside the EU, then the same import tariffs will already have been applied when the EU seller imported them which is why the price within the EU will often be similar to the process you pay from imports from the US.
When we leave the EU and do not stay in the customs union and if any trade deal we get with the EU does not eliminate the tariffs from the EU, then you'll be 'stung' by the UK for all your imported torches be it from the US or the EU. WHICH COMPLETE B0LL0CK$, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I'VE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS THREAD!
The EU is not making up a price they think you should pay when you import from the US, nor are you paying a penny to the EU. The reality is, the UK together with the other 27 EU member states have agreed on a common tariff for imports, in your case for torches, from non EU countries that don't have a trade agreement that covers torches.
The tariff you pay is a percentage based on the price you paid for the goods including transport. I don't know what the rate is for torches, but you can easily look it up. Because it's a percentage, the higher the price, then the more tax you'll also have to pay. The tax you pay is paid to the UK Exchequer, not to the EU! Once they've calculated the import duties, then they will also add VAT which each EU county has full control over the VAT rate and the goods which are applicable, in the case of the UK, you have to pay 20% VAT. Part of the reason why buying from the US is so cheap in the first place is because you don't pay US VAT on export goods, so you will only be paying VAT once. Some companies may include the tariffs and VAT in the sale price and manage the payment for you, but you'll probably be paying extra for the service which may be more expensive than paying the duties yourself when the goods arrive although delivery will be slower and more of a hassle.
When you buy something from another EU country, then the customs union means that there are no trade restrictions, so no import tariffs are applied and VAT is paid in the country of purchase not the country of destination. Germany for example charges 19% VAT, 1% less than the UK, so you may generally see 1% cheaper prices in Germany compared to the UK. If the goods were manufactured outside the EU, then the same import tariffs will already have been applied when the EU seller imported them which is why the price within the EU will often be similar to the process you pay from imports from the US.
When we leave the EU and do not stay in the customs union and if any trade deal we get with the EU does not eliminate the tariffs from the EU, then you'll be 'stung' by the UK for all your imported torches be it from the US or the EU. WHICH COMPLETE B0LL0CK$, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I'VE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS THREAD!
