Here's the Tory manifesto, well worth a read before voting!

https://www.thetorymanifesto.com/

 

Seems legit

 

Corbyn is misrepresenting it, of course, by saying the NHS will be sold off. However, it does raise the prospect of paying more for drugs than they do now. The US has been quite open about extending patents on drugs, and have tried this with other countries. Why would we want our NHS to cost us more for the same service, and that is a very real possibility as a result of what the US is after.

 

What Corbyn is also failing to point out is that this possibility is and always was 100% unavoidable, if and when we leave the EU. If he at least had the b@lls to spell that out to the thickies who voted for it, it would be far easier to have some respect for his scaremongering about it now.

 

I hear both the torrie and labour manifestos have been shot down as not being costed lol

 

yup, his reluctance to be a real opposition leader because of his own personal feeling about the EU (Capitalist Common Market) has made these past three and a bit years that much more painful.

 

Politicians can't add up\be honest shocker

 

The Labour manifesto has been costed, although the Tories argue that the costs don't stack up.
The Tory manifesto has not been costed because they have no intention of to implement any of it!

 

IFS say labour manifest doesn't add up. Millions will be charged more in direct and indirect taxes. Plus the Waspi women wasn't budgeted.

£600bn plus an extra £60bn borrowed whilst attacking the wealth creator's who will just leave the UK. Therefore losing valuable tax revenue, so more borrowing and extra taxes on middle income families.

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BOTH have been shot down in flames by the IMF as not stacking up.

I believe they said Labours was unrealistic in tax collections meaning a significant increase in debt (usual Labour policies, spend spend spend and worry about it later) and tories would mean more austerity (pretty typical although arguments can be made thats normaly due to labour overspend).

You can try and polish a turd if you want, but in reality they are both more use as toilet paper.

 

These are useful from Full Facts...
Labour
Conservative

 

They both don't add up, but, we do have the last 9 years to show what a bunch of ***** the Tories and how badly they manage stuff. So, we have reduced funding in in virtually all public services, 20,000 less police officers, thousands less nurses and doctors, more homeless, an exponential increase in food banks, universal credit shambles etc etc

Can you honestly say you think they care capable of running this country on their record? Labour (or whoever) may not solve everything, but they certainly can't be any worse, and probably quite a bit better.

There's nothing wrong with having billionaires, or companies making a **** ton of money, but what is wrong is them not paying what they should. Doing that is not "attacking wealth creators", it is simply levelling the playing field. They will still be filthy rich, they will just contribute what they should to the economy. Don't forget, these ****ers are quite happy to use all the services and infrastructure paid for through taxation, they should help pay for it.

 

This!!!

They've screwed the poorest so much over the last 9 years, they are now willing to risk leaving the EU to try and fix their problems!

 

Well , after being in Melbourne and SA for a month I can tell you what is making this place tick

VAST quantities of immigration, mainly from Asian countries, and building homes for them on brown field sites

they thought they were ok , but it's being muted that pensions will not sustain so will require MORE migrants

UK is following suite , iv seen visa proposals are out for wide range jobs including manaul labour for immigrants from everywhere

So we'll simply be replacing an EU migrant with someone from rest the world

 

They already pay the vast majority of tax revenues in this country The highest earners, the top 0.1% pay 12% of all tax. The top 5% pay 50% of all tax revenues.

If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.

​​​​Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in

What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.

 

so how do you feel about people like Amazon and Google dodging their contributions?

 

If they are doing it legaly then crack on, its up to the regulators to close the loop holes. Don't most self employed play the tax system for their own benefit?

tax avoidance is not illegal, once they get into tax evasion then that's different

 

They are using legal avoidance to reduce their tax liability.
Some very pertinent quotes

“My Lords, the highest authorities have always recognised that the subject is entitled so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes imposed by the Crown, so far as he can do so within the law, and that he may legitimately claim the advantage of any express terms or of any omissions that he can find in his favour in taxing Acts. In so doing, he neither comes under liability nor incurs blame.”[1]

“Every man is entitled if he can to order his affairs so that the tax attracted under the appropriate Act is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax.”[2]

“No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so as to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores. The Inland Revenue is not slow – and quite rightly – to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer’s pocket. And the taxpayer is, in like manner, entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue

 

Further update to Corbyns(Abbott)fiscal calculations.

A further £15bn a year to pay for Waspi top ups

also

It comes after the IFS found that Labour's manifesto would increase taxes for the "many millions outside the top 5 per cent".

 

As a point of its law entirley correct, but I think ethically there is a difference between company and personal tax avoidance. IR35 closed a huge loophole around personal liabity...not sure the same diligence has been applied to corporate tax.

 

The same study that also rubbished the Tory manifesto and actually said the LibDem was the moat pragmatic.

Where does that leave your voting choice? Please forgive the pun

 

There is no difference. ethics has nothing to do with it

Btw do you have an ISA?. If so, that's avoidance of tax.

 

I believe that organisations owe any additional debt to society.

no

 

Not worth reading at all in fact, it's not legally binding so only a fool would believe a single word of it.

Illiberal Anti-democrats, Lie-bour, Con-serve-ourselves, Scottish Fascist Party etc. all one and the same... a Deep State establishment stitch-up. Vote for any one of them and you're throwing your country to the dogs, FACT!

My advice, vote for a 'genuine' candidate who will represent your political views and/or community. If there are no 'genuine' candidates (as is the case for me) then don't vote at all, or spoil your ballot

 

The link is a pi55 take and worth a click if you are disaffected

 

Liberals promise to plant 1.5billion trees by 2040

Labour promise 20bn this year


Sturgeon promises more battered Mars bars

Corbyn has only just switched on his central heating- Scrooge

 

Labour , careful with your money

one for all all for one

 

Funny how you're so willing to accept the IFS calculations on the manifestos, but when they calculate the costs of Brexit its all just project fear

 

Nobody is that daft. He is wealthy enough to weather the storm and thinks his business will make him richer post Brexit. It's pretty straight forward...the rest of the time he is just entertaining himself by posting. Maybe.

 

This is the problem in the UK, no one wants to pay taxes.....They all want amazing QOL and services but do not want to pay a penny for it. And then when taxes do need to be levied they blame immigrants for burdening the nation and inadvertently raising the taxation needs. I pay 52% tax here in the Netherlands....and I do not mind it as my QOL here is great.