View Poll Results: Who will get your vote
Conservative
19
29.69%
Labour
8
12.50%
Liberal Democrats
11
17.19%
Brexit Party
10
15.63%
SNP
0
0%
Green
2
3.13%
Plaid Cymru
0
0%
DUP
1
1.56%
Other (Sinn Fein, Change UK, Independent etc)
3
4.69%
Not voting
7
10.94%
Don't Know
3
4.69%
Spoilt ballot paper
0
0%
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UK General Election 2019
28 November 2019, 11:26 AM
#123
The documents shown at todays press conference where the 'un-redacted' ones - i.e. not blacked out images. These did show that discussions had taken place about US involvement in the NHS.
The discussions took place when Mrs May was PM and there was no evidence in the papers to show that the Tories would 'sell' the NHS to the US
The discussions took place when Mrs May was PM and there was no evidence in the papers to show that the Tories would 'sell' the NHS to the US
28 November 2019, 11:56 AM
#124
Corbyn is misrepresenting it, of course, by saying the NHS will be sold off. However, it does raise the prospect of paying more for drugs than they do now. The US has been quite open about extending patents on drugs, and have tried this with other countries. Why would we want our NHS to cost us more for the same service, and that is a very real possibility as a result of what the US is after.
28 November 2019, 01:03 PM
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What Corbyn is also failing to point out is that this possibility is and always was 100% unavoidable, if and when we leave the EU. If he at least had the b@lls to spell that out to the thickies who voted for it, it would be far easier to have some respect for his scaremongering about it now.
28 November 2019, 01:09 PM
#128
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The Tory manifesto has not been costed because they have no intention of to implement any of it!
28 November 2019, 01:23 PM
#129
£600bn plus an extra £60bn borrowed whilst attacking the wealth creator's who will just leave the UK. Therefore losing valuable tax revenue, so more borrowing and extra taxes on middle income families.
28 November 2019, 01:32 PM
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I believe they said Labours was unrealistic in tax collections meaning a significant increase in debt (usual Labour policies, spend spend spend and worry about it later) and tories would mean more austerity (pretty typical although arguments can be made thats normaly due to labour overspend).
You can try and polish a turd if you want, but in reality they are both more use as toilet paper.
28 November 2019, 02:30 PM
#132
IFS say labour manifest doesn't add up. Millions will be charged more in direct and indirect taxes. Plus the Waspi women wasn't budgeted.
£600bn plus an extra £60bn borrowed whilst attacking the wealth creator's who will just leave the UK. Therefore losing valuable tax revenue, so more borrowing and extra taxes on middle income families.
£600bn plus an extra £60bn borrowed whilst attacking the wealth creator's who will just leave the UK. Therefore losing valuable tax revenue, so more borrowing and extra taxes on middle income families.
Can you honestly say you think they care capable of running this country on their record? Labour (or whoever) may not solve everything, but they certainly can't be any worse, and probably quite a bit better.
There's nothing wrong with having billionaires, or companies making a **** ton of money, but what is wrong is them not paying what they should. Doing that is not "attacking wealth creators", it is simply levelling the playing field. They will still be filthy rich, they will just contribute what they should to the economy. Don't forget, these ****ers are quite happy to use all the services and infrastructure paid for through taxation, they should help pay for it.
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28 November 2019, 02:36 PM
#133
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They've screwed the poorest so much over the last 9 years, they are now willing to risk leaving the EU to try and fix their problems!
28 November 2019, 02:55 PM
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Well , after being in Melbourne and SA for a month I can tell you what is making this place tick
VAST quantities of immigration, mainly from Asian countries, and building homes for them on brown field sites
they thought they were ok , but it's being muted that pensions will not sustain so will require MORE migrants
UK is following suite , iv seen visa proposals are out for wide range jobs including manaul labour for immigrants from everywhere
So we'll simply be replacing an EU migrant with someone from rest the world
VAST quantities of immigration, mainly from Asian countries, and building homes for them on brown field sites
they thought they were ok , but it's being muted that pensions will not sustain so will require MORE migrants
UK is following suite , iv seen visa proposals are out for wide range jobs including manaul labour for immigrants from everywhere
So we'll simply be replacing an EU migrant with someone from rest the world
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28 November 2019, 03:25 PM
#135
They both don't add up, but, we do have the last 9 years to show what a bunch of ***** the Tories and how badly they manage stuff. So, we have reduced funding in in virtually all public services, 20,000 less police officers, thousands less nurses and doctors, more homeless, an exponential increase in food banks, universal credit shambles etc etc
Can you honestly say you think they care capable of running this country on their record? Labour (or whoever) may not solve everything, but they certainly can't be any worse, and probably quite a bit better.
There's nothing wrong with having billionaires, or companies making a **** ton of money, but what is wrong is them not paying what they should. Doing that is not "attacking wealth creators", it is simply levelling the playing field. They will still be filthy rich, they will just contribute what they should to the economy. Don't forget, these ****ers are quite happy to use all the services and infrastructure paid for through taxation, they should help pay for it.
Can you honestly say you think they care capable of running this country on their record? Labour (or whoever) may not solve everything, but they certainly can't be any worse, and probably quite a bit better.
There's nothing wrong with having billionaires, or companies making a **** ton of money, but what is wrong is them not paying what they should. Doing that is not "attacking wealth creators", it is simply levelling the playing field. They will still be filthy rich, they will just contribute what they should to the economy. Don't forget, these ****ers are quite happy to use all the services and infrastructure paid for through taxation, they should help pay for it.
If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.
Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in
What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.
28 November 2019, 03:28 PM
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They already pay the vast majority of tax revenues in this country The highest earners, the top 0.1% pay 12% of all tax. The top 5% pay 50% of all tax revenues.
If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.
Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in
What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.
If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.
Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in
What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.
28 November 2019, 03:43 PM
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so how do you feel about people like Amazon and Google dodging their contributions?
tax avoidance is not illegal, once they get into tax evasion then that's different
28 November 2019, 03:54 PM
#138
so how do you feel about people like Amazon and Google dodging their contributions?
Some very pertinent quotes
“My Lords, the highest authorities have always recognised that the subject is entitled so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes imposed by the Crown, so far as he can do so within the law, and that he may legitimately claim the advantage of any express terms or of any omissions that he can find in his favour in taxing Acts. In so doing, he neither comes under liability nor incurs blame.”[1]
“Every man is entitled if he can to order his affairs so that the tax attracted under the appropriate Act is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax.”[2]
“No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so as to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores. The Inland Revenue is not slow – and quite rightly – to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer’s pocket. And the taxpayer is, in like manner, entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue
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28 November 2019, 04:31 PM
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They are using legal avoidance to reduce their tax liability.
Some very pertinent quotes
“My Lords, the highest authorities have always recognised that the subject is entitled so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes imposed by the Crown, so far as he can do so within the law, and that he may legitimately claim the advantage of any express terms or of any omissions that he can find in his favour in taxing Acts. In so doing, he neither comes under liability nor incurs blame.”[1]
“Every man is entitled if he can to order his affairs so that the tax attracted under the appropriate Act is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax.”[2]
“No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so as to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores. The Inland Revenue is not slow – and quite rightly – to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer’s pocket. And the taxpayer is, in like manner, entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue
Some very pertinent quotes
“My Lords, the highest authorities have always recognised that the subject is entitled so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes imposed by the Crown, so far as he can do so within the law, and that he may legitimately claim the advantage of any express terms or of any omissions that he can find in his favour in taxing Acts. In so doing, he neither comes under liability nor incurs blame.”[1]
“Every man is entitled if he can to order his affairs so that the tax attracted under the appropriate Act is less than it otherwise would be. If he succeeds in ordering them so as to secure this result, then, however unappreciative the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or his fellow taxpayers may be of his ingenuity, he cannot be compelled to pay an increased tax.”[2]
“No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so as to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores. The Inland Revenue is not slow – and quite rightly – to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer’s pocket. And the taxpayer is, in like manner, entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue
28 November 2019, 04:33 PM
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Where does that leave your voting choice? Please forgive the pun
28 November 2019, 07:06 PM
#144
Illiberal Anti-democrats, Lie-bour, Con-serve-ourselves, Scottish Fascist Party etc. all one and the same... a Deep State establishment stitch-up. Vote for any one of them and you're throwing your country to the dogs, FACT!
My advice, vote for a 'genuine' candidate who will represent your political views and/or community. If there are no 'genuine' candidates (as is the case for me) then don't vote at all, or spoil your ballot
28 November 2019, 07:32 PM
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Not worth reading at all in fact, it's not legally binding so only a fool would believe a single word of it.
Illiberal Anti-democrats, Lie-bour, Con-serve-ourselves, Scottish Fascist Party etc. all one and the same... a Deep State establishment stitch-up. Vote for any one of them and you're throwing your country to the dogs, FACT!
My advice, vote for a 'genuine' candidate who will represent your political views and/or community. If there are no 'genuine' candidates (as is the case for me) then don't vote at all, or spoil your ballot
Illiberal Anti-democrats, Lie-bour, Con-serve-ourselves, Scottish Fascist Party etc. all one and the same... a Deep State establishment stitch-up. Vote for any one of them and you're throwing your country to the dogs, FACT!
My advice, vote for a 'genuine' candidate who will represent your political views and/or community. If there are no 'genuine' candidates (as is the case for me) then don't vote at all, or spoil your ballot
28 November 2019, 10:15 PM
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29 November 2019, 07:51 AM
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29 November 2019, 09:08 AM
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They already pay the vast majority of tax revenues in this country The highest earners, the top 0.1% pay 12% of all tax. The top 5% pay 50% of all tax revenues.
If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.
Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in
What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.
If you over tax individuals or companies, they will resort to avoidance planning (legal) or leave the country.
Government are wasteful of yours and mine tax revenues, to the point of being criminally negligent. Wastage of cash is rife and needs to be reigned in
What has been proven time and time again, lowering tax bands for these wealth creator's increases tax revenues. The opposite generally happens if tax burden rises.