Bob Rawle and his attitude problem.
#181
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Shouldn't a mapper also be a very experienced mechanic? I mean he/she should know the ins and outs of every bolt on the car before messing with an ecu.
Also the manufacturers spend thousands and thousands of hours testing the set up of a car before releasing them on the road and still get stuff wrong.
What do mappers think there going to do in a few hours or even a day?
Also the manufacturers spend thousands and thousands of hours testing the set up of a car before releasing them on the road and still get stuff wrong.
What do mappers think there going to do in a few hours or even a day?
I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.
#182
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I wouldn't necessarily agree that all mappers should also know every nut and bolt of the car and should be able to spanner. If you look at larger manufacturers they don't have the same people building the hardware and programming the ECU's do they? They have specialist software engineers writing code and understanding the sensors, feedback and systems and mechanics installing hardware.
I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.
I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.
I disagree, given mappers do alot of fault finding i would expect them to have a very good knowledge of the mechanical, knowledge and experience only comes from doing the job
#185
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The original comment was regarding a mapper knowing every single nut and bolt on the car, which I disagree isn't importamt. Yes I do fully agree they should know every aspect that affects their mapping and ECU control but if they are a suspension expert who knows how to fit and dial in suspension will it improve their mapping at all? I would rather they were specialists rather than jack of all trades, that was my point.
#186
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
I wouldn't necessarily agree that all mappers should also know every nut and bolt of the car and should be able to spanner. If you look at larger manufacturers they don't have the same people building the hardware and programming the ECU's do they? They have specialist software engineers writing code and understanding the sensors, feedback and systems and mechanics installing hardware.
I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.
I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.
Anyway just my opinion on mapping, too many keyboard warriors roaming about with a laptop that think there awesome.
I get them every so often. 3 mechanics in my industrial close and loads around me, soon as they spot the scoob outside it's do you need a map, ever thought about more power. No thanks, wrx wagon with 130k onnthe clock, no way I'd bother mapping it now with all the potential issues it could open up. I keep it mechanically sound with regularly servicing & new parts whenever needed but that's it.
Last edited by Fishbowlhead; 09 April 2019 at 12:43 PM.
#187
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The original comment was regarding a mapper knowing every single nut and bolt on the car, which I disagree isn't importamt. Yes I do fully agree they should know every aspect that affects their mapping and ECU control but if they are a suspension expert who knows how to fit and dial in suspension will it improve their mapping at all? I would rather they were specialists rather than jack of all trades, that was my point.
#188
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I would of thought hardware and software are in the same department now days in a manufactures design buildings surely? Given how complicated new cars are I wouldn't think it would be possible to develop a new car with the two sides separated? I could be wrong.
Anyway just my opinion on mapping, too many keyboard warriors roaming about with a laptop that think there awesome.
I get them every so often. 3 mechanics in my industrial close and loads around me, soon as they spot the scoob outside it's do you need a map, ever thought about more power. No thanks, wrx wagon with 130k onnthe clock, no way I'd bother mapping it now with all the potential issues it could open up. I keep it mechanically sound with regularly servicing & new parts whenever needed but that's it.
Anyway just my opinion on mapping, too many keyboard warriors roaming about with a laptop that think there awesome.
I get them every so often. 3 mechanics in my industrial close and loads around me, soon as they spot the scoob outside it's do you need a map, ever thought about more power. No thanks, wrx wagon with 130k onnthe clock, no way I'd bother mapping it now with all the potential issues it could open up. I keep it mechanically sound with regularly servicing & new parts whenever needed but that's it.
#189
I think people are really over thinking this,
Once a base map is developed then all they need to do is tweek . Thier not making a map from scratch everytime .
Only took me over an hour to map vag cars when we did custom code. Few logs bit of tweeking and done .
Once a base map is developed then all they need to do is tweek . Thier not making a map from scratch everytime .
Only took me over an hour to map vag cars when we did custom code. Few logs bit of tweeking and done .
#190
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A fresh 'base' map should be developed for each individual car(talking Scoobys) for the 1st remap,then any mods or tweaks are a lot quicker,so don't require from scratch.
I would think most tuners have a database of individual customers cars,and doubt they use those on any other car,even with similar mods?
Flash mapping a ford fiesta ...different kettle of fish.
I would think most tuners have a database of individual customers cars,and doubt they use those on any other car,even with similar mods?
Flash mapping a ford fiesta ...different kettle of fish.
#191
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A fresh 'base' map should be developed for each individual car(talking Scoobys) for the 1st remap,then any mods or tweaks are a lot quicker,so don't require from scratch.
I would think most tuners have a database of individual customers cars,and doubt they use those on any other car,even with similar mods?
Flash mapping a ford fiesta ...different kettle of fish.
I would think most tuners have a database of individual customers cars,and doubt they use those on any other car,even with similar mods?
Flash mapping a ford fiesta ...different kettle of fish.
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#201
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for example, here he's all happy
https://www.scoobynet.com/1033563-jd...l#post11944297
still alright
https://www.scoobynet.com/1033563-jd...l#post11953399
Then next post its all gone a bit shyte. I definitely recall the garage that fitted the stuff in the first link posting stuff, guess its been deleted due to legal stuff
#203
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A success story
https://www.scoobynet.com/763923-08-...l#post12051040
https://www.scoobynet.com/763923-08-...l#post12051040
#205
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#206
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A success story
https://www.scoobynet.com/763923-08-...l#post12051040
https://www.scoobynet.com/763923-08-...l#post12051040
The standard 08-10 TMIC cannot support these figures
#207
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theres plenty of research on this on many forums from many different car brands over the years.
too many people here living in there bubble. Quite pathetic really
#208
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Says who?? You?
Manipulated / massaged figures?? For what purpose exactly??
without meth injection agreed. But those figures are with meth injection so what is you’re point??
#209
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Oh forgot to mention. When the tank runs out?? If your not stupid enough the tank won’t run out as you will keep it topped up.
Besides if it does run out it lets you know on the gauge and knocks the car down to wastegate. All good.
Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. Jesus.
can people not be happy on here for other people?? Or is this what this forum is all about?
#210
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I was ecstatic with the quoted figures and it felt like I was piloting the bloody space shuttle. Then I noticed that stock M135i s, RS3s, AMG 45s etc were pulling my pants down at every opportunity. Not to mention that when the ambient temp hit anything above 20 degrees the power started dropping considerably on long runs. Never took the car on the track to be honest, as I knew what the outcome would be. Toyed with the idea of putting the car on a rolling road to confirm his Deltadash claims, but unfortunately never got around to it.
Come to think about it, I was never given a copy of the Deltadash which is a bit weird.
I have been driving a stock JDM Hawkeye for the last few months, which feels every inch as quick as the mapped Hatch did and is only rated 320/320 from the factory and I know for a fact that the Deltadash can massage the figures (especially if you enter the car’s weight incorrectly) as I have been playing with the software myself. Big figures mean happy customers.
Seriously though, even though I don’t know you, I am really happy for you. Just take these figures with a pinch of salt unless they are produced on a dyno, and enjoy your Hatch.