I wouldn't necessarily agree that all mappers should also know every nut and bolt of the car and should be able to spanner. If you look at larger manufacturers they don't have the same people building the hardware and programming the ECU's do they? They have specialist software engineers writing code and understanding the sensors, feedback and systems and mechanics installing hardware.

I would prefer they were expert in one field rather than jack of all trades personally. Yes they need to know how the systems work and all of the potential issues that can affect they system they are changing and trying to control, but I wouldn't ask more that that to be honest. I would rather they were expert mappers. |That said, I know a couple of specialists who do both very well.

 

I don't think comparing a manufactures mapping process with a aftermarket is really doable. They are trying to achieve two different things. manufacture is looking to develop a map that works across a range of engine tolerances.

I disagree, given mappers do alot of fault finding i would expect them to have a very good knowledge of the mechanical, knowledge and experience only comes from doing the job

 

you turn up with your car with issues before mapping then he will have a go at you , [/QUOTE]



The correct answer should read

you turn up with your car with issues before mapping he will refuse to map the car

 

I think again this comes down to specialist garages either having their own in house mapper or a close relationship with chosen ones so they can work though issues, rather than just using them for their RR.

 

The original comment was regarding a mapper knowing every single nut and bolt on the car, which I disagree isn't importamt. Yes I do fully agree they should know every aspect that affects their mapping and ECU control but if they are a suspension expert who knows how to fit and dial in suspension will it improve their mapping at all? I would rather they were specialists rather than jack of all trades, that was my point.

 

I would of thought hardware and software are in the same department now days in a manufactures design buildings surely? Given how complicated new cars are I wouldn't think it would be possible to develop a new car with the two sides separated? I could be wrong.

Anyway just my opinion on mapping, too many keyboard warriors roaming about with a laptop that think there awesome.

I get them every so often. 3 mechanics in my industrial close and loads around me, soon as they spot the scoob outside it's do you need a map, ever thought about more power. No thanks, wrx wagon with 130k onnthe clock, no way I'd bother mapping it now with all the potential issues it could open up. I keep it mechanically sound with regularly servicing & new parts whenever needed but that's it.

 

ah i get ya, yeah fair enough

 

Better off man

 

I think people are really over thinking this,

Once a base map is developed then all they need to do is tweek . Thier not making a map from scratch everytime .

Only took me over an hour to map vag cars when we did custom code. Few logs bit of tweeking and done .

 

A fresh 'base' map should be developed for each individual car(talking Scoobys) for the 1st remap,then any mods or tweaks are a lot quicker,so don't require from scratch.
I would think most tuners have a database of individual customers cars,and doubt they use those on any other car,even with similar mods?
Flash mapping a ford fiesta ...different kettle of fish.

 

I think a lot of mappers start with someone else's map vehicle as a base map to be honest, especially on the standard every day Subaru maps which are circa 350bhp with the usual mods. I know that's what Duncan did with mine and also Andrew Carr. On something a bit more unique with more power then they might start fresh I would agree.

 

Yeah bog standard car with decat and filter then tweek

If were talking ported headers hybrid turbo different kettle of fish .

 

The correct answer should read

you turn up with your car with issues before mapping he will refuse to map the car[/QUOTE]


Same thing m8

 

I think this thread needs deleting. If anyone googles bob rawle its going to show this post and people will assume hes bad.

 

thats pretty much the point for the thread lol

 

Considering you haven't commented on the thread once and then out of the blue looking to get the thread deleted is a little bit odd.

 

Very strange indeed

 

Im still confused to what actually happened, re-read the thread twice and still dont know what took place or what was said

 

Remapped RAGGY DOO's JDM hatch a couple of times, and allegedly made a bollox of it blaming other stuff being the problem.
The garage putting on the various bits I think also had a part to play.

There's a thread on here somewhere about it.

 

Although the thread was actually started by Joe, who had his own issues with Bob. Which I'm hoping will be revealed once Raggy's car is all sorted.

 

I was thinking more raggy's posts, not this one.

for example, here he's all happy
https://www.scoobynet.com/1033563-jd...l#post11944297
still alright
https://www.scoobynet.com/1033563-jd...l#post11953399
Then next post its all gone a bit shyte. I definitely recall the garage that fitted the stuff in the first link posting stuff, guess its been deleted due to legal stuff

 

A success story
https://www.scoobynet.com/763923-08-...l#post12051040

 

528bhp on standard tmic? pmsl, BS, that thing is gonna have more inlet temp issues than the space shuttle

 

water-meth injection should help with that a fair bit

 

untill the tank runs out. but even so temps are going to be a big big problem.

 

Bob Rawle doesn’t map on a dyno, so the reported bhp and torque figures are deltadash estimates. And they can be very easily manipulated/massaged.
The standard 08-10 TMIC cannot support these figures

 

How are temps going to be a big problem when the aqua-mist brings the temps down to the same or below what a fmic puts out?? Don’t talk so much rubbish.

theres plenty of research on this on many forums from many different car brands over the years.

too many people here living in there bubble. Quite pathetic really

 

Says who?? You?

Manipulated / massaged figures?? For what purpose exactly??

without meth injection agreed. But those figures are with meth injection so what is you’re point??

 

Oh forgot to mention. When the tank runs out?? If your not stupid enough the tank won’t run out as you will keep it topped up.

Besides if it does run out it lets you know on the gauge and knocks the car down to wastegate. All good.

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. Jesus.

can people not be happy on here for other people?? Or is this what this forum is all about?

 

I am happy for you man, I really am. I can’t help remembering though that when Bob mapped my Hatch a few years ago, he told me that it was making 480/480 on super unleaded on the Deltadash.
I was ecstatic with the quoted figures and it felt like I was piloting the bloody space shuttle. Then I noticed that stock M135i s, RS3s, AMG 45s etc were pulling my pants down at every opportunity. Not to mention that when the ambient temp hit anything above 20 degrees the power started dropping considerably on long runs. Never took the car on the track to be honest, as I knew what the outcome would be. Toyed with the idea of putting the car on a rolling road to confirm his Deltadash claims, but unfortunately never got around to it.
Come to think about it, I was never given a copy of the Deltadash which is a bit weird.
I have been driving a stock JDM Hawkeye for the last few months, which feels every inch as quick as the mapped Hatch did and is only rated 320/320 from the factory and I know for a fact that the Deltadash can massage the figures (especially if you enter the car’s weight incorrectly) as I have been playing with the software myself. Big figures mean happy customers.
Seriously though, even though I don’t know you, I am really happy for you. Just take these figures with a pinch of salt unless they are produced on a dyno, and enjoy your Hatch.