VW and most of the major car manufacturers
06 February 2018, 03:03 PM
#32
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Wonder if you can charge these cars off a petrol generator. You can get small, light "inverter" type generators from Honda, Kipor etc. I use one to charge batteries for my RC stuff when out.
06 February 2018, 06:31 PM
#34
Yes; Well certainly you can with a Tesla Model S; We had to charge the one in the workshop (awaiting parts)...You can select charge time and current draw, which was handy if its plugged into a shared spur so not to overload it.
What you want is a water cooled Lister/Listeroid set up for biofuel and used as part of a off grid CHP setup. That way the heat from the engine and exhaust gets recovered into a hot water accumulator/heat bank. Bonus points awarded if you use a belt to drive a refrigerant compressor as part of a heat pump system
News today; Congestion costing the economy billions. Causing pollution. Wasting fuel etc. (Kidderminster one of the worst; a small town surrounded by green belt!...no doubt because of the cancelled road building resulting in a half-ring road to nowhere, then they made the only dual carriageway into single lanes
)
Its the same all over again...office drones and mummies using cars when they shouldn't be and/or living too far from where they work. But of course a nice big city salary and a cheaper house out if the 'burbs is all worth it. Just waste your hours sitting in a traffic jam in a electric car instead...problem solved (not)!
What you want is a water cooled Lister/Listeroid set up for biofuel and used as part of a off grid CHP setup. That way the heat from the engine and exhaust gets recovered into a hot water accumulator/heat bank. Bonus points awarded if you use a belt to drive a refrigerant compressor as part of a heat pump system
News today; Congestion costing the economy billions. Causing pollution. Wasting fuel etc. (Kidderminster one of the worst; a small town surrounded by green belt!...no doubt because of the cancelled road building resulting in a half-ring road to nowhere, then they made the only dual carriageway into single lanes
)Its the same all over again...office drones and mummies using cars when they shouldn't be and/or living too far from where they work. But of course a nice big city salary and a cheaper house out if the 'burbs is all worth it. Just waste your hours sitting in a traffic jam in a electric car instead...problem solved (not)!
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06 February 2018, 10:35 PM
#38
It needs the torque to shift its bulk The Leaf weights 1557 kgs. 3 x fatties more than an average Impreza Turbo.
Lithium battery recycling is well, at best difficult.
Source material prices are rising.
How many charging points exist?
What is the true enviromental damage of extracting the raw ingredients?
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07 February 2018, 09:32 AM
#39
Lets put this into perspective.
It needs the torque to shift its bulk The Leaf weights 1557 kgs. 3 x fatties more than an average Impreza Turbo.
Lithium battery recycling is well, at best difficult.
Source material prices are rising.
How many charging points exist?
What is the true enviromental damage of extracting the raw ingredients?
It needs the torque to shift its bulk The Leaf weights 1557 kgs. 3 x fatties more than an average Impreza Turbo.
Lithium battery recycling is well, at best difficult.
Source material prices are rising.
How many charging points exist?
What is the true enviromental damage of extracting the raw ingredients?
Recycling can be done of batteries, who said it easy. Recycling will need to further improved, just like every other vehicle.
There are many thousands of charge points currently, expansion is rapid. Don't forget every household is charge point.
go and compare crude oil extraction.
Then we go for emissions for the life of the vehicle, currently around 30% of UK energy is generated by renewable sources and upto 50% from low carbon sources. Don't forget home solar aswell, so free power .
You're going off tangent, it's a local commuter vehicle, where 95% of all car journeys are under 30miles. This is not just for me, the whole of the UK does this every day.
For the majority, electric is the perfect local commute energy source. Improved air quality for every electric car journey in cities and towns. Children s health and those with respiratory issues.
You and many others will be driving a zero emissions vehicle in a very short while.
07 February 2018, 09:41 AM
#40
It's no hot hatch but similarly torque is available from zero to max speed, so makes for a punchy acceleration
Recycling can be done of batteries, who said it easy. Recycling will need to further improved, just like every other vehicle.
There are many thousands of charge points currently, expansion is rapid. Don't forget every household is charge point.
go and compare crude oil extraction.
Then we go for emissions for the life of the vehicle, currently around 30% of UK energy is generated by renewable sources and upto 50% from low carbon sources. Don't forget home solar aswell, so free power .
You're going off tangent, it's a local commuter vehicle, where 95% of all car journeys are under 30miles. This is not just for me, the whole of the UK does this every day.
For the majority, electric is the perfect local commute energy source. Improved air quality for every electric car journey in cities and towns. Children s health and those with respiratory issues.
You and many others will be driving a zero emissions vehicle in a very short while.
Recycling can be done of batteries, who said it easy. Recycling will need to further improved, just like every other vehicle.
There are many thousands of charge points currently, expansion is rapid. Don't forget every household is charge point.
go and compare crude oil extraction.
Then we go for emissions for the life of the vehicle, currently around 30% of UK energy is generated by renewable sources and upto 50% from low carbon sources. Don't forget home solar aswell, so free power .
You're going off tangent, it's a local commuter vehicle, where 95% of all car journeys are under 30miles. This is not just for me, the whole of the UK does this every day.
For the majority, electric is the perfect local commute energy source. Improved air quality for every electric car journey in cities and towns. Children s health and those with respiratory issues.
You and many others will be driving a zero emissions vehicle in a very short while.
13 February 2018, 12:11 AM
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So stop making sweeping statements that are blatantly untrue to support your argument.
There a 3 stations near me.None have a charge point.If they did would I have to wait & charge the car before I park & get on the train?What about lf the other commuters queuing to do the same.Maybe I should arrive 3 hours early just to make sure.It's not workable is it really?
I am not against electric cars.Just show me a genuine working solution that has been thought through.
There a 3 stations near me.None have a charge point.If they did would I have to wait & charge the car before I park & get on the train?What about lf the other commuters queuing to do the same.Maybe I should arrive 3 hours early just to make sure.It's not workable is it really?
I am not against electric cars.Just show me a genuine working solution that has been thought through.
13 February 2018, 08:13 AM
#44
So stop making sweeping statements that are blatantly untrue to support your argument.
There a 3 stations near me.None have a charge point.If they did would I have to wait & charge the car before I park & get on the train?What about lf the other commuters queuing to do the same.Maybe I should arrive 3 hours early just to make sure.It's not workable is it really?
I am not against electric cars.Just show me a genuine working solution that has been thought through.
There a 3 stations near me.None have a charge point.If they did would I have to wait & charge the car before I park & get on the train?What about lf the other commuters queuing to do the same.Maybe I should arrive 3 hours early just to make sure.It's not workable is it really?
I am not against electric cars.Just show me a genuine working solution that has been thought through.
Do you have off street parking at home?
22 February 2018, 01:20 PM
#45
...but surely faceless corporations would not lie and cheat and pollute us just for profits...oh wait up, that is the status quo 
if only we could somehow vote and get people that would change it ...oh well
if only we could somehow vote and get people that would change it ...oh well
22 February 2018, 01:22 PM
#46
Found testing on monkeys with diesel emissions. Suppressed the results because it was shown newer diesels are more lethal in their toxic emissions than older vehicles despite having a cheat system to lower emissions.
*******s the lot of them. Don't buy German cars.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...-cars-harmful/
*******s the lot of them. Don't buy German cars.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...-cars-harmful/
27 February 2018, 01:46 PM
#49
Are cows the cause of global warming?
A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year. Methane is a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (CO2). But the negative effect on the climate of Methane is 23 times higher than the effect of CO2. Therefore the release of about 100 kg Methane per year for each cow is equivalent to about 2'300 kg CO2 per year.
Let's compare this value of 2'300 kg CO2: The same amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) is generated by burning 1'000 liters of petrol. With a car using 8 liters of petrol per 100 km, you could drive 12'500 km per year (7'800 miles per year).
World-wide, there are about 1.5 billion cows and bulls. All ruminants (animals which regurgitates food and re-chews it) on the world emit about two billion metric tons of CO2-equivalents per year. In addition, clearing of tropical forests and rain forests to get more grazing land and farm land is responsible for an extra 2.8 billion metric tons of CO2 emission per year!
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) agriculture is responsible for 18% of the total release of greenhouse gases world-wide (this is more than the whole transportation sector). Cattle-breeding is taking a major factor for these greenhouse gas emissions according to FAO. Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO's Livestock Information and Policy Branch and senior author of the report: "Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
Are cows to blame for global warming? Are cattle the true cause for climate change?
We cannot deny that farming has a major impact on global warming. Since farming is basically serving the consumer's demand for food, we should look at our nourishment. With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes.
A Japanese study showed that producing a kilogram of beef leads to the emission of greenhouse gases with a global warming potential equivalent to 36.4 kilograms of carbon dioxide (CO2). It also releases fertilising compounds equivalent to 340 grams of sulphur dioxide and 59 grams of phosphate, and consumes 169 megajoules of energy (Animal Science Journal, DOI: 10.1111/j.1740-0929.2007.00457.x). In other words, a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days (New Scientist magazine, 18 July 2007, page 15 ).
The following tables indicates the CO2 production in kg CO2 equivalents per kg of meat depending on the animal:
1 kg of meat from - produces kg CO2e
beef 34.6
lamb 17.4
pork 6.35
chicken 4.57
Source: Environmental Impacts on Food Production and Consumption. http://www.defra.gov.uk/science/proj...7_4601_FRP.pdf
Conclusion: Eat less meat and dairy products.
The most important conclusion for ourselves is: Eat much less meat and dairy products. This is one of the most effective ways to reduce our personal carbon footprint and to generally reduce our personal negative impact on the environment.
Finally a quote from Albert Einstein (Nobel prize 1921): Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
28 February 2018, 03:12 PM
#53
Scooby Regular
Let's ban cattle (because of methane) and go veggie.
Are cows the cause of global warming?
A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year. Methane is a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (CO2). But the negative effect on the climate of Methane is 23 times higher than the effect of CO2. Therefore the release of about 100 kg Methane per year for each cow is equivalent to about 2'300 kg CO2 per year.
Let's compare this value of 2'300 kg CO2: The same amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) is generated by burning 1'000 liters of petrol. With a car using 8 liters of petrol per 100 km, you could drive 12'500 km per year (7'800 miles per year).
World-wide, there are about 1.5 billion cows and bulls. All ruminants (animals which regurgitates food and re-chews it) on the world emit about two billion metric tons of CO2-equivalents per year. In addition, clearing of tropical forests and rain forests to get more grazing land and farm land is responsible for an extra 2.8 billion metric tons of CO2 emission per year!
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) agriculture is responsible for 18% of the total release of greenhouse gases world-wide (this is more than the whole transportation sector). Cattle-breeding is taking a major factor for these greenhouse gas emissions according to FAO. Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO's Livestock Information and Policy Branch and senior author of the report: "Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
Are cows to blame for global warming? Are cattle the true cause for climate change?
We cannot deny that farming has a major impact on global warming. Since farming is basically serving the consumer's demand for food, we should look at our nourishment. With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes.
A Japanese study showed that producing a kilogram of beef leads to the emission of greenhouse gases with a global warming potential equivalent to 36.4 kilograms of carbon dioxide (CO2). It also releases fertilising compounds equivalent to 340 grams of sulphur dioxide and 59 grams of phosphate, and consumes 169 megajoules of energy (Animal Science Journal, DOI: 10.1111/j.1740-0929.2007.00457.x). In other words, a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days (New Scientist magazine, 18 July 2007, page 15 ).
The following tables indicates the CO2 production in kg CO2 equivalents per kg of meat depending on the animal:
1 kg of meat from - produces kg CO2e
beef 34.6
lamb 17.4
pork 6.35
chicken 4.57
Source: Environmental Impacts on Food Production and Consumption. http://www.defra.gov.uk/science/proj...7_4601_FRP.pdf
Conclusion: Eat less meat and dairy products.
The most important conclusion for ourselves is: Eat much less meat and dairy products. This is one of the most effective ways to reduce our personal carbon footprint and to generally reduce our personal negative impact on the environment.
Finally a quote from Albert Einstein (Nobel prize 1921): Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
Are cows the cause of global warming?
A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year. Methane is a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (CO2). But the negative effect on the climate of Methane is 23 times higher than the effect of CO2. Therefore the release of about 100 kg Methane per year for each cow is equivalent to about 2'300 kg CO2 per year.
Let's compare this value of 2'300 kg CO2: The same amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) is generated by burning 1'000 liters of petrol. With a car using 8 liters of petrol per 100 km, you could drive 12'500 km per year (7'800 miles per year).
World-wide, there are about 1.5 billion cows and bulls. All ruminants (animals which regurgitates food and re-chews it) on the world emit about two billion metric tons of CO2-equivalents per year. In addition, clearing of tropical forests and rain forests to get more grazing land and farm land is responsible for an extra 2.8 billion metric tons of CO2 emission per year!
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) agriculture is responsible for 18% of the total release of greenhouse gases world-wide (this is more than the whole transportation sector). Cattle-breeding is taking a major factor for these greenhouse gas emissions according to FAO. Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO's Livestock Information and Policy Branch and senior author of the report: "Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.
Are cows to blame for global warming? Are cattle the true cause for climate change?
We cannot deny that farming has a major impact on global warming. Since farming is basically serving the consumer's demand for food, we should look at our nourishment. With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes.
A Japanese study showed that producing a kilogram of beef leads to the emission of greenhouse gases with a global warming potential equivalent to 36.4 kilograms of carbon dioxide (CO2). It also releases fertilising compounds equivalent to 340 grams of sulphur dioxide and 59 grams of phosphate, and consumes 169 megajoules of energy (Animal Science Journal, DOI: 10.1111/j.1740-0929.2007.00457.x). In other words, a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days (New Scientist magazine, 18 July 2007, page 15 ).
The following tables indicates the CO2 production in kg CO2 equivalents per kg of meat depending on the animal:
1 kg of meat from - produces kg CO2e
beef 34.6
lamb 17.4
pork 6.35
chicken 4.57
Source: Environmental Impacts on Food Production and Consumption. http://www.defra.gov.uk/science/proj...7_4601_FRP.pdf
Conclusion: Eat less meat and dairy products.
The most important conclusion for ourselves is: Eat much less meat and dairy products. This is one of the most effective ways to reduce our personal carbon footprint and to generally reduce our personal negative impact on the environment.
Finally a quote from Albert Einstein (Nobel prize 1921): Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
Err in a word NO
why - well because of something called the earths "Carbon Budget" - the Earth creates natural CO2 / Methane etc and absorbs CO2 / Methane etc in natural cycles
so the Northern hemisphere summer, CO2 is absorbed in the greening of all the trees and plants - that's why the keeling curve is saw toothed in shape
to keep it simple - The Earth breaths, and the green Trees are the lungs!!
so although Cows convert the suns energy into methane - which is a strong GHG, but is not the cause of the recent warming - that is not to say that Cows/Meat production and Land use are not important - just that they are NOT the cause, the cause is burning fossil fuels
so cow farts are essentially from within the earths "current account" in terms of energy so is not the cause of the recent warming
but when you burn Fossil Fuels you are in a sense burning "ancient sunshine" - which is not accounted for in the current earths energy budget
so you are adding net energy into the system that was not there before
oh and to add the current temps in the Arctic are 20c above the norm - unprecedented
that is like it being 70f on xmas day in the UK
the process is called "polar Amplification" and was a prediction made by AGW theory
further reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 28 February 2018 at 04:59 PM.
28 February 2018, 06:54 PM
#54
are cows the cause of global warming?
Err in a word NO
why - well because of something called the earths "Carbon Budget" - the Earth creates natural CO2 / Methane etc and absorbs CO2 / Methane etc in natural cycles
so the Northern hemisphere summer, CO2 is absorbed in the greening of all the trees and plants - that's why the keeling curve is saw toothed in shape
to keep it simple - The Earth breaths, and the green Trees are the lungs!!
so although Cows convert the suns energy into methane - which is a strong GHG, but is not the cause of the recent warming - that is not to say that Cows/Meat production and Land use are not important - just that they are NOT the cause, the cause is burning fossil fuels
so cow farts are essentially from within the earths "current account" in terms of energy so is not the cause of the recent warming
but when you burn Fossil Fuels you are in a sense burning "ancient sunshine" - which is not accounted for in the current earths energy budget
so you are adding net energy into the system that was not there before
oh and to add the current temps in the Arctic are 20c above the norm - unprecedented
that is like it being 70f on xmas day in the UK
the process is called "polar Amplification" and was a prediction made by AGW theory
further reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification
Err in a word NO
why - well because of something called the earths "Carbon Budget" - the Earth creates natural CO2 / Methane etc and absorbs CO2 / Methane etc in natural cycles
so the Northern hemisphere summer, CO2 is absorbed in the greening of all the trees and plants - that's why the keeling curve is saw toothed in shape
to keep it simple - The Earth breaths, and the green Trees are the lungs!!
so although Cows convert the suns energy into methane - which is a strong GHG, but is not the cause of the recent warming - that is not to say that Cows/Meat production and Land use are not important - just that they are NOT the cause, the cause is burning fossil fuels
so cow farts are essentially from within the earths "current account" in terms of energy so is not the cause of the recent warming
but when you burn Fossil Fuels you are in a sense burning "ancient sunshine" - which is not accounted for in the current earths energy budget
so you are adding net energy into the system that was not there before
oh and to add the current temps in the Arctic are 20c above the norm - unprecedented
that is like it being 70f on xmas day in the UK
the process is called "polar Amplification" and was a prediction made by AGW theory
further reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification
28 February 2018, 09:08 PM
#55
Scooby Regular
the fact that fossil fuels are a "net" addition to the earths energy budget
ergo the planet retains energy/heat, ergo it warms
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 28 February 2018 at 09:10 PM.
03 March 2018, 12:53 PM
#57
Just shows the EU regs are pointless.
Until registered vehicles and installed appliances (such as boilers) are individually tested regularly throughout their life, then this will keep on happening.
Nox testing at MOT could be implemented if they wanted. The gas analysers already calculate CO2 and most current units have expansion ports to allow for the retrofitting of a NoX sensor.
Until registered vehicles and installed appliances (such as boilers) are individually tested regularly throughout their life, then this will keep on happening.
Nox testing at MOT could be implemented if they wanted. The gas analysers already calculate CO2 and most current units have expansion ports to allow for the retrofitting of a NoX sensor.
03 March 2018, 09:21 PM
#58
Scooby Regular
NOX and CO2 are two completely different kinds of pollutant
NOX - bad for the human respiratory system / human health
CO2 - bad for the earths climate system (and ultimately potentially human existence on earth)
the future is clearly Electric - and who will be driving the Global standards on Electric cars
Clue - it will not be the UK
NOX - bad for the human respiratory system / human health
CO2 - bad for the earths climate system (and ultimately potentially human existence on earth)
the future is clearly Electric - and who will be driving the Global standards on Electric cars
Clue - it will not be the UK
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