VW and most of the major car manufacturers
Found testing on monkeys with diesel emissions. Suppressed the results because it was shown newer diesels are more lethal in their toxic emissions than older vehicles despite having a cheat system to lower emissions.
*******s the lot of them. Don't buy German cars. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/suppressed-rigged-diesel-tests-monkeys-showed-new-cars-harmful/ |
This has been known about for years! God knows why they needed to test on monkeys to prove it!
As cylinder temps go up to get the efficiency up, the amount of nox and nasties goes up with it. |
Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11992634)
Found testing on monkeys with diesel emissions. Suppressed the results because it was shown newer diesels are more lethal in their toxic emissions than older vehicles despite having a cheat system to lower emissions.
*******s the lot of them. Don't buy German cars. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...-cars-harmful/ |
Disgraceful; should have tested them on laboratory bred vegans :mad:
Get a grip. The cosmetic industry do a hell of a lot worse. Still do. Same with pharma, and detergent/cleaner manufacturers etc etc. And if you think other non German manufacturers are not cheating emissions, then you are very nieve; in particular (no pun ;) ) Renault/Nissan alliance engines have been caught out amongst many other: : https://www.theicct.org/news/road-te...-press-release |
Thats seriously bad.
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RDE real driving emissions should prevent these vehicles from getting onto our roads. I understand they're fudging this test as well.
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Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11992747)
RDE real driving emissions should prevent these vehicles from getting onto our roads. I understand they're fudging this test as well.
Get out more or stop taking the happy pills. |
It goes from from bad to worse
This lot should be in prison, putting millions of people's health at risk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...lth-officials/ |
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The whole of the Liebour government ought to be in prison for what they have done to us over diesels.
Want to bet some of them trousered a few £££ too? |
You are going to get shafted on petrols too. Give it another five years for the ugliness to surface.....
The Renault Kajar 1.2 PETROL has been found to produce three times more NOx than a Mercedes E220 diesel!!! (Which in turn is twice that of a 2016 BMW 530d ) |
Electric
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Not good enough yet.
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11993142)
Not good enough yet.
Anything under 30 mile outward trip then return and maybe a few little jaunts can be done by an electric car. Something like 95% of all car journeys are under 30 miles. Only bigger capacity and or hybrid petrol for 100+ mile trips are really needed. |
Electric? how many days would it take me to drive to our French chateau? 800 miles......
LOL Electric my firm but pliant....as my dad would have said. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11993158)
Electric? how many days would it take me to drive to our French chateau? 800 miles......
LOL Electric my firm but pliant....as my dad would have said. It's this 'eggs in one basket' thought train on transportation and infrastructure that caused this mess, and will cause it again and again. The warning signs are there, look at who is buying up the raw materials ready in wait. |
its just slightly hypocritical to say everyone should drive electric when youre pretty well off and live in sparsely populated environment
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unless there is a sliding scale tax on electric vehicles , dependent on how far out you live/ your earnings
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11993158)
Electric? how many days would it take me to drive to our French chateau? 800 miles......
LOL Electric my firm but pliant....as my dad would have said. Before you start about power stations making more pollution, last year a third of all the UKs electricity came from renewable sources wind/solar. With 50% coming from low carbon energy sources. This is set to increase considerably in the coming years. Electric is the way forward until hydrogen can be produced cheaply, and then it will be used to provide power for an electric vehicle |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 11993167)
its just slightly hypocritical to say everyone should drive electric when youre pretty well off and live in sparsely populated environment
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Where is the 50 % figure , i can only find 25% fro 2016 so far
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-renewable-energy-third-electricity-generated-wind-solar-panel-any-other-forms-mentioned-coal-a8122921.html%3famp
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shipping causes spike in pollutants
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-a8189691.html |
Problem is we are 25+ years from genuinely viable technology to be able to phase out internal combustion. In the meantime we can all preach the rights and wrongs, but not one of us is going to accept the additional cost of wide scale short term 'green' alternatives.
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Originally Posted by Jimhno8
(Post 11993252)
Problem is we are 25+ years from genuinely viable technology to be able to phase out internal combustion. In the meantime we can all preach the rights and wrongs, but not one of us is going to accept the additional cost of wide scale short term 'green' alternatives.
I live out in the countryside, there are no commercial charging points available within 20 miles- however every house is a potential charging point, I've already got agreement from my friends that if I use their house to charge up, I will pay them 15p/KW I take:) . Our daily mileage is around 75 miles per vehicle. Our new car will do 150 miles per charge.= perfectly suitable vehicle. |
Is The only actual saving to environment through electric vehicles overall the lack of need for tankers to distribute hydrocarb to fuel stations ?
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But aren't the figures for what generated our power a bit skewed? If not skew-whiff?
They ONLY mention power that comes from abraod, lumping it in as non-polluting, afaik, whereas they actually have zero idea what produced it? |
So a genuine alternative isnt here yet...
I live in a rural location, I run a number of vans and pick ups as part of my landscaping business covering a 1 hour radius from home, and we tow 2-5 days a week?? Show me a non i/c solution which won't add time/cost and im interested. I fully accept that the oil wont last forever but the sooner a viable usable propulsion system is devised the sooner we can save the fuel thats left to still play with our cars. But can they please stop using the 'green' story to fudge a crap solution to a real problem. |
Originally Posted by Jimhno8
(Post 11993449)
So a genuine alternative isnt here yet...
I live in a rural location, I run a number of vans and pick ups as part of my landscaping business covering a 1 hour radius from home, and we tow 2-5 days a week?? Show me a non i/c solution which won't add time/cost and im interested. I fully accept that the oil wont last forever but the sooner a viable usable propulsion system is devised the sooner we can save the fuel thats left to still play with our cars. But can they please stop using the 'green' story to fudge a crap solution to a real problem. |
Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11993170)
Before you start about power stations making more pollution, last year a third of all the UKs electricity came from renewable sources wind/solar. With 50% coming from low carbon energy sources. This is set to increase considerably in the coming years. |
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