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13 September 2017, 10:20 AM
#61
Having a faster processor is great, but I don't think it's as big a selling point as it used to be. When the majority of phone users many using it for social media, web surfing, taking pics, stream video and music, playing the odd game. Unless you're a heavy gamer, none of these activities really benefit from having a faster processor, it's arguable whether you'll notice the difference if at all. Apps might load a fraction of a second quicker if you timed it, but no appreciable difference you'll be able notice in normal usage.
Upgrades used to be appreciable, from 3 to 4, 4 to 5 and 5 to 6. But from 6 to 7 and even 8, the benefits are small, same screen, same form factor same battery life, pretty much the same camera. Upgrading to the X there is finally an appreciable difference from the previous iPhones, a change in form factor, genuinely new features with Face ID and new screen technology, but with a price starting at £999, that’s really stretching those as worthwhile benefits.
I will be upgrading my 6, but to a 7 Plus. There is an appreciable difference and with the price reduction, a worthwhile upgrade. With the 8 Plus, it is significantly heavier and with the glass back, well glass being glass, it will inevitably be easier to damage/crack or live in a phone case and thus negating any aesthetic benefits. However, if you have the cash to splash, then by all means go for it, people will be very happy with the X. (if they can put up with that notch intruding into their screen when watching videos!)
Upgrades used to be appreciable, from 3 to 4, 4 to 5 and 5 to 6. But from 6 to 7 and even 8, the benefits are small, same screen, same form factor same battery life, pretty much the same camera. Upgrading to the X there is finally an appreciable difference from the previous iPhones, a change in form factor, genuinely new features with Face ID and new screen technology, but with a price starting at £999, that’s really stretching those as worthwhile benefits.
I will be upgrading my 6, but to a 7 Plus. There is an appreciable difference and with the price reduction, a worthwhile upgrade. With the 8 Plus, it is significantly heavier and with the glass back, well glass being glass, it will inevitably be easier to damage/crack or live in a phone case and thus negating any aesthetic benefits. However, if you have the cash to splash, then by all means go for it, people will be very happy with the X. (if they can put up with that notch intruding into their screen when watching videos!)
13 September 2017, 10:40 AM
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Still on an iPhone 5C here and that's only because I can no longer upgrade certain apps on my iPhone 4 anymore. I've been waiting ever since the iPhone 4 for Apple to produce something spectacular but every release fails to live up to the hype or expectation. I hope next week will prove to be different, but I don't hold out much hope.
As already mentioned in this thread, facial recognition technology is not new, already exists in some of the Samsung models and is temperamental at best - it didn't work too well in yesterday's conference either.
Wireless charging isn't new tech, nor is the edge-to-edge screen, or a waterproof shell.
Being on a very good Sim only contract I'm in no rush to upgrade and the main reason I have stayed with Apple is because their devices are easy to use and I have hundreds of purchased apps across my iPad mini (1st gen) and iPhone (5C), but I was disappointed with yesterday's offering and even more discouraged by the pricing. Yet again another Apple launch failed to deliver.
Excuse the pun but I think they are losing their touch.
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13 September 2017, 10:46 AM
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New sensors, new chips, new software, new materials, added features and speed, better battery life, not sure what else could have been added to make everyone happy.
Face ID is a massive step forwards, it's not like Samsung who work just from a photo, this thing fully maps your face and as it can do that it can map pretty much everything which will show with AR down the road.
Face ID is a massive step forwards, it's not like Samsung who work just from a photo, this thing fully maps your face and as it can do that it can map pretty much everything which will show with AR down the road.
13 September 2017, 11:06 AM
#64
See, even you have trouble coming up with real worthwhile benefits! As mention, new chip arguably better than the current crop, current phones are pretty fast already. New OS will also be on the current phones. More glass doesn't equal new materials but equals more fragility and we'll have to see if it genuinely has better better battery, historically it hasn't been that much better if at all.
Face ID not 100% reliable as evidenced in yesterdays launch event, but I'm sure it'll improve in line with updates to the OS.
But this isn't to say, Apple shouldn't bother with pushing technology forward and if anything they are the leaders in the field of advancing worthwhile technologies, but at those prices the law of diminishing return for the consumer is becoming more prevalent.
Face ID not 100% reliable as evidenced in yesterdays launch event, but I'm sure it'll improve in line with updates to the OS.
But this isn't to say, Apple shouldn't bother with pushing technology forward and if anything they are the leaders in the field of advancing worthwhile technologies, but at those prices the law of diminishing return for the consumer is becoming more prevalent.
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13 September 2017, 11:19 AM
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My problem with that kind of spend on a phone (any phone), is they just don't have the life expectancy that other similarly-priced gadgets have; phones get dropped, sat on, rained on, thrown in bags, bashed against stuff, etc etc, and unlike clamshell laptops don't have as much inherent protection. Getting 2 years out of a phone is considered good going, and if you tell someone you have a 3- or even 4-year old phone they ask if you've wrapped it in cotton wool and/or are just a luddite.
The other problem is the same that the desktop/laptop market hit a while back; most phones are already 'fast enough'. Having twice the horsepower in a phone doesn't mean much when you weren't using all you had anyway, so the idea of paying to get something faster doesn't sit well.
This is then all multiplied by the fact that phone improvements are reasonably 'incremental' these days; it's been a long time since something truly revolutionary happened, and spending a grand to get a slightly larger display or a slightly niftier fingerprint scanner isn't particularly attractive.
I considered the £500 for my Nexus 6p about as much as I was comfortable with, and felt the £700 for the Pixel XL was excessive. It's not that I can't afford it, I just find the idea of a grand on any phone deeply objectionable - if the Pixel 2 isn't reasonably priced, I'll probably skip two generations for once, an approach I'm unlikely to be alone in!
The other problem is the same that the desktop/laptop market hit a while back; most phones are already 'fast enough'. Having twice the horsepower in a phone doesn't mean much when you weren't using all you had anyway, so the idea of paying to get something faster doesn't sit well.
This is then all multiplied by the fact that phone improvements are reasonably 'incremental' these days; it's been a long time since something truly revolutionary happened, and spending a grand to get a slightly larger display or a slightly niftier fingerprint scanner isn't particularly attractive.
I considered the £500 for my Nexus 6p about as much as I was comfortable with, and felt the £700 for the Pixel XL was excessive. It's not that I can't afford it, I just find the idea of a grand on any phone deeply objectionable - if the Pixel 2 isn't reasonably priced, I'll probably skip two generations for once, an approach I'm unlikely to be alone in!
I've given up on getting a flagship phone after my Note 4. 2 years is all you can expect out of a phone for the reasons mentioned, especially wear and tear and degraded battery life. My Note 4 is 3 years old and was working great right up until it got the dreaded mmc read error and Samsung want a fortune to replace the system board and just not worth it.
I had been considering the Note 8 until they announced it's price and it just sunk in that I don't want to be paying those prices for a piece of tech that is only good for the 2 year warranty you get. It's a lot of money for 2 years use. I also have the latest ipad pro and so why do I need such an expensive phone when really all I do is make calls, message on whatsapp, play an occasional game and snap a few photos?
I ended up getting a Lenovo P2, the 64gb version with 4gb ram and a huge battery that gives 3 days use out of it and it's metal bodied so looks/feels premium as well. It cost me £160 from Gearbest and it's fantastic. If I get 2 years out of that then i'll be pleased and look for it's successor as long as the battery life is still outstanding.
My ipad gets all the heavy use so a premium phone is no longer on my must have tech list after really giving thought to the cost vs use/need for one especially when a mid range phone does just the same as my previous flagship phones did but for a fraction of the cost.
13 September 2017, 11:42 AM
#66
I stay 12 months behind any new release with the phones I buy, that way you get far better value,. As an example I have a Galaxy Note 5 at the min, I skipped the Note 7 for obvious reasons, I'll buy the Note 8 in approx 8 - 10 months time when all the hysteria of a new release has faded away, you'll get one for half the price they are now or fractionally less and the phone will still be the same all singing and dancing new tech that it was on release day, just a lot less to buy.
I go SIM only and buy my own phone, it gives you good flexibility that way.
I go SIM only and buy my own phone, it gives you good flexibility that way.
13 September 2017, 01:33 PM
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See, even you have trouble coming up with real worthwhile benefits! As mention, new chip arguably better than the current crop, current phones are pretty fast already. New OS will also be on the current phones. More glass doesn't equal new materials but equals more fragility and we'll have to see if it genuinely has better better battery, historically it hasn't been that much better if at all.
Face ID not 100% reliable as evidenced in yesterdays launch event, but I'm sure it'll improve in line with updates to the OS.
But this isn't to say, Apple shouldn't bother with pushing technology forward and if anything they are the leaders in the field of advancing worthwhile technologies, but at those prices the law of diminishing return for the consumer is becoming more prevalent.
Face ID not 100% reliable as evidenced in yesterdays launch event, but I'm sure it'll improve in line with updates to the OS.
But this isn't to say, Apple shouldn't bother with pushing technology forward and if anything they are the leaders in the field of advancing worthwhile technologies, but at those prices the law of diminishing return for the consumer is becoming more prevalent.
You might also want to take a closer look at whether the demo worked or not.
13 September 2017, 01:39 PM
#68
s8+ has 6.2 vs 5.8 tiny X
it is not twice faster, face recognision vs eyes recognision- do not see a difference, could be security issue with s8 but my phone will never be at stranger hands im sure
I like a look of X , whos screen they use -Oled LG or Amoled Samsung?
13 September 2017, 01:58 PM
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If you don't understand the differences in Facial recognition then there's no way I'm going to explain it any better. Just be aware that the differences are huge.
13 September 2017, 02:22 PM
#70
I have trouble listing them because there are too many. It's not just a faster chip it's as new one, try telling someone the i5 is the same as the i7. The new OS may well be on the new phones but FaceID won't because the hardware isn't, get it!
You might also want to take a closer look at whether the demo worked or not.
You might also want to take a closer look at whether the demo worked or not.
Last edited by jonc; 13 September 2017 at 02:23 PM.
13 September 2017, 03:54 PM
#71
New sensors, new chips, new software, new materials, added features and speed, better battery life, not sure what else could have been added to make everyone happy.
Face ID is a massive step forwards, it's not like Samsung who work just from a photo, this thing fully maps your face and as it can do that it can map pretty much everything which will show with AR down the road.
Face ID is a massive step forwards, it's not like Samsung who work just from a photo, this thing fully maps your face and as it can do that it can map pretty much everything which will show with AR down the road.
As for facial recognition, they have alienated all the Burka wearing Muslim women of the world
13 September 2017, 04:06 PM
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Of course you'll notice it, ever got a new phone before? It's easy to believe that the demo failed, but it didn't. Normal behaviour for a device that hasn't been unlocked previously with a passcode. Did the demo fail, yes it did somewhat, did Face ID fail, no.
13 September 2017, 04:47 PM
#73
Ok, if you watch the video again, you'll see when the phone was at the lock screen at his first attempt, he stared at the phone for a good few seconds, it did not detect his face. Only when he pressed the power button to send it back to sleep and on the second attempt did it detect his face. So why did it not detect his face on the first attempt, that is not normal behaviour regardless of whether it hasn't been unlocked previously with a passcode. I don't for instance get this with my 6 where it doesn't detect my fingerprint and I have to press the power button to try again. Granted it is likely to be a pre-production device with a few bugs and glitches, but when you are showcasing the feature to the world for the first time and championing how great and easy and natural it is to unlock with face id and it doesn't resorting to a backup device, that is a fail in my books.
13 September 2017, 04:55 PM
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Go to reddit, obviously the fandroids went to town on this one. The images says 'enter your passcode to enable Face ID' the same as it does with Touch ID when you haven't used it for a while or restart.
13 September 2017, 07:01 PM
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But I have 6s, NOT A PLUS.
....It's too big as it is.
Now the SIM sharing technology so I could have several devices on the same number without being in range of each other (or out of wifi reach) could be perfect....depending on how well it works, a watch could be a compromise
13 September 2017, 07:08 PM
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13 September 2017, 08:10 PM
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13 September 2017, 08:52 PM
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13 September 2017, 09:06 PM
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13 September 2017, 09:37 PM
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Just get the iPhone SE - basically a 6 in the body of a 5
13 September 2017, 11:42 PM
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Really happy with the size of my 6s but the curves make it really slippy to hold. I'd be more than happy with a bigger 5.
Face recognition - great tech but it's a ******* phone ffs.
The only thing I want to see in an iPhone is a micro SD slot ��
Face recognition - great tech but it's a ******* phone ffs.
The only thing I want to see in an iPhone is a micro SD slot ��
14 September 2017, 12:14 AM
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple...s-3647016/?amp
For fellow Brits, we should add a word on UK-specific issues here.
In the UK you can't have two SIMs with the same number - and Apple has specified that the Series 3 has the same number as the companion phone. In the US you can do this, but until we get some UK-specific details we're not sure how this is going to work.
However, it clearly is possible because EE, the exclusive data providers for the Series 3, have already sent out press releases and a pre-registration site.
In the UK you can't have two SIMs with the same number - and Apple has specified that the Series 3 has the same number as the companion phone. In the US you can do this, but until we get some UK-specific details we're not sure how this is going to work.
However, it clearly is possible because EE, the exclusive data providers for the Series 3, have already sent out press releases and a pre-registration site.
Hmmm, so is the UK finally going to get two GSM devices on the same phone number, or not?
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14 September 2017, 10:22 AM
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple...s-3647016/?ampHmmm, so is the UK finally going to get two GSM devices on the same phone number, or not?
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14 September 2017, 01:54 PM
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