Dingdongler

I think we will see Corbyn as PM very soon. People I never thought would vote for him did and I suspect that will only increase.

I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday who told me he voted for Corbyn. He is a dentist with a mix of NHS and private work and his wife is a dentist who only does private work.

I'd estimate that at the very least that together they make £300k a year. I asked him whether he was worried about the increased taxation that Corbyn et al would inflict upon him.

He said that he had done the maths. He has three children who are all going to leave private school quite soon to go to Uni. As a result the free Uni education will save him close to £100k.

So he feels that even if Corbyn taxed him more the free Uni promise along with an increase in his NHS would at worst leave him even. And as he said voting for Corbyn also eases his conscious.

So if Corbyn has got people who are at the very high earners prepared to vote for him I think its inevitable that he will be PM very soon.

Martin2005

I know quite a few people who voted for him, safe in knowledge that he would lose, but have said they will not if it looks like he can actually win.


Go figure


Surely the party that claims the centre ground will win the next election?

JTaylor

It's not all economics, I and others have switched on ideological grounds.

Dingdongler

What is defined as centre ground can change, after all centre ground is just a measure of what the majority of people believe. If wjat they believe changes the centre ground changes.

Over many decades the centre ground has increasingily moved to the right. I suspect we are know witnessing the pendulum swing in the other direction.

It will of course at some point swing too far and so it goes on

mrtheedge2u2

I don't believe for a second that Labour would be able to follow through on the promise of free education

David Lock

I think it was a rash promise and difficult for him to row back from this or the students will Cleggify him. I posted this previously.....

"I think a better plan would be for tuition fees to be subsidised say 50% which would stop chancers just going to uni for the booze and FF Week and greatly reduce suicidal loan levels. If Labour did end up calling the shots then they WOULD need to stick a penny on tax and should have thought of this."


Mind you their economic arguments may be stronger than we give them credit for.

David

Dingdongler

Like all of these kinds of policies I suspect the costs will spiral. With Uni fees paid for by the state we'll have Universities offering even a greater range of useless subjects.

So we'll be encouraging people to spend 3 years at Uni at the tax payer's expense studying David Beckham. Then they'll complain that they can't get jobs afterwards.

David Lock

Not if they only get a small subsidy. The less relevant the subject the more they pay. dl

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Discrimination, thy name is Lock.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

The students and parents were bought with a pipe dream. You will never see free university tuition. If corbyn ever got in it would sink the UK in borrowing to pay for this wish list.

Martin2005

Didn't hear you complaining when the Tories (election after election) were buying the 'grey vote'.


Truth is, we cannot afford to either guarantee pensioners income either.


For clarity university education is still heavily subsidised by the taxpayer.

David Lock

Did you get a Masters in Posting Stupid Childish Insulting Posts or just a 3rd Class Degree? Did you even have an education?

Have you actually anything positive to contribute to this debate or is your intellectual limit reached just by posting insults?

d

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Talking of insults . . . 😂

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I have no issues with proposing ideas which can be achieved but soon as an offer is too good to believe then warning bells should be ringing in people's ears. My daughter said her friends were all excited about no fees. They weren't at all bothered about stopping UK leaving the Eu. I understand that the Tories got an even bigger share of votes than Blair did, so people were happy to accept leaving the EU.

It's regrettably a sad situation when the Tories will need to make concessions to the likely DUP deal to push through finishing leaving​ the EU. But hey that's what the country voted for, more disruption.

guinnessman2001

There is so much more at stake than just no university fees if Corbyn ever got into power.

His crackpot brand of 1970's Marxism has no place in modern politics.

Where is the money coming from to renationalise the railways?
Where are the jobs coming from to keep his unlimited immigration people in employment?
If you put up business taxes the companies will simply relocate abroad.

That's without mentioning his feeble stance on terror in these dangerous times.

The thought of him in power with McDonnel as Chancellor and Abbott as Home Secretary should be enough to terrify anybody.

David Lock

It's not Marxism but it is a fairer way of treating society.

Jobs are waiting for people from Europe, in agriculture for example, as the British don't want to know.

Renationalisation. I agree with you but it would bring profits back to UK. Questionable though.

Terror. It's actually very limited in UK thanks to fantastic work by police, not helped by Tory cuts. A multi-party plan perhaps?

Abbott has gone and Mcdonald is OK.

Labour's financial plan might even work. If you can be bothered read this. A few lads/ladies give it the thumbs up. Dismiss them at you peril.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...P=share_btn_fb

David

David Lock

More of a question really No answer of course.

I borrowed the words from your guide to insulting people called "Insults to Older Folks, a High Chair Guide"


Hope you don't mind

David

guinnessman2001

I did read the article from the Guardian and must admit that's an impressive list of signatories. However history proves that no Labour government has ever left the economy in a better position than the one they inherited.

If a centre partnership of Blair and Brown can wreck havoc, what damage would extreme left wing Corbyn and McDonnel inflict upon the UK?

You say there are plenty jobs in agriculture waiting to be filled because nobody in the UK will do the work.
So Corbyn's solution is to bring in thousands of people from abroad, most of whom will work in the black economy contributing no taxes, whilst we continue to pay unemployment benefit to scroungers who have no intention of working.
Hardly a sensible solution.

The previous Labour government were going to implement even more drastic police cuts than the Tories have proposed.

McDonnel is not OK, he's even more extreme than Corbyn. He would borrow money on an unprecedented scale for ludicrous schemes leaving massive problems for future generations.

Socialism sounds nice in concept. There is only one slight problem, it just doesn't work in practice.

Take for example is Venezuela, an oil rich country, taken down the socialist route by Chavez.
It's now a basket case of a country with inflation running at thousands of per cent.

dpb

Unfortunately, you can't eat oil

Paben

iTrader: (5)

You have a vivid imagination for one so cranky! How's Beau by the way?

Peregrine Bentinck

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Another hysteric, I'm getting good at this, must have hit a nerve.
Out of interest, what do you, oh marvellously educated one, call subsidising education according to some societal value attached to the degree?

To answer your questions:
I have a degree in Physics.
I have a teaching cert.
I have four "A" levels from when they were worth having.
I have two AS levels.
I have thirteen "O" levels from when THEY were worth having.

I'm happy with MY level of education...how about you?

neil-h

That explains so much

dpb

Could sworn he drove taxi

Seems rather over qualified

BMWhere?

Those who can, do. Those who can't, ....

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Sums you two up.
I assume you are educated? If so, by who?
Teachers, yep.

And taxi? yep, did minicabbing three years when wife was off work having babies. Money was tight.
Also worked on the steelworks during summer break.

So what?

dpb

Good for you sir

David Lock

WOW


That's very, very impressive.

Shame no one taught you to be nice to people.

dl

neil-h

Most of which weren't particularly good at what they do. Though if it makes you feel any better some of the best teachers I've ever had were of the old school, probably around your age in fact. So I'd hazard a guess you were one of the better ones.

BMWhere?

On the whole, I would say Teachers failed me rather than educated me!

At high school, they mostly failed to realise my potential and left me to rot with the thicko's! One or two did manage to inspire me though and I managed to get an A in Physics and B in Maths. In IT, the teacher knew pretty much nothing (IT was a new thing in those days!), the class mostly came to me for help and those who did go to the teacher, the teacher then came to me! I actually got a C in IT, not because I spent too much time helping others, I just couldn't be bothered with word processing and spreadsheets because I found programming the computers much more interesting!

When I left school, I did an Electrical/Electronics apprenticeship (initially a craft apprenticeship, but regraded to a technical apprenticeship) with a large industrial company which ultimately gave me an NVQ L5 in Electrical & Electronic engineering. I was also sent on block/day release over the 8 years I worked for them to college/uni where I got an ONC, HNC & HND in Electrical/Electronic engineering followed by a combined degree in Electronics and computing. The computing part of the degree was more of a formality, I can't say I learnt anything new on that course! On the Electronics side, I learnt everything the teachers could teach me, but I also learnt the extent of their knowledge when asking them to explain things further and being told to "just accept" the theory, which for me, was not acceptable!

So yeah, teachers have played a role in my education, but only a limited role! My real knowledge I have largely taught myself, through further reading or personal experimentation! I don't accept anything anyone tells me, I always want to question, examine and understand the evidence myself! I will never "Just Accept"!!!

I value teachers, they play an important role in society, even though in my experience there are some very bad teachers out there, most try their best and at least try to inspire their students to go further than they ever could! I do not see teachers as fountains of all knowledge though, they are fallible human beings like the rest of us, myself included, and have a limit to their own knowledge and will, to varying degrees, make mistakes and get things wrong!

Am I happy with my level of education, yes! Am I happy with my teachers, less so!

Uncle Creepy

That explains so much