alcazar

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Poll for Dingdongler.
How will you vote in the forthcoming election?

I've left off "won't be voting", if you won't be voting, don't do the poll

Martin2005

I still don't know, it's a horrible choice, either the poor man's Thatcher, or a pale version of Michael Foot!


Probably Lib Dems, as a protest

neil-h

Struck me as being the logical answer.

ZANY

Wat if your confused

ZANY

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Petem95

I'm actually quite surprised how far ahead Tory and Labour are from the others.

If the little fringe parties like Monstor Raving Looney, Lib Dems and BNP etc can't make inroads in this environment, then they might as well give up!

I think LD have made a policy error by not openly supporting leaving the EU. I'd be interested to know what percentage of the intended votes they'd get if they had - I think it would be quite a signficiant jump. I know quite a few Lib Demmer's who consdier themselves 'yellow tory's', and will be voting Tory, when otherwise they'd vote LD if they were backing getting on with Brexit. All of them voted Leave, but have since shifted opinion.

The fact so many intend to vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm and Diane Abbot with such a senior role is beyond me.

neil-h

Not at all, the Lib Dem stance on Brexit is actually one of the best. I don't think anyone else is giving the public the final say on the deal with Europe.

Martin2005

LD are struggling because of the whole 2nd referendum nonsense - it's a big miscalculation. People don't want to go through that circus again, and it's transparently about blocking Brexit, which I suspect people feel would be wrong.


I'm voting LD as a big **** you to the 2 main parties for their hopelessness


Even you must be alarmed at the prospect of a government that cannot even run a coherent election campaign, running the most important set of negotiations in our lifetimes?


May is such an empty vessel, and Corbyn is Corbyn

ZANY

+1 like
LIB DEMZ IT IS THEN

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Aren't Lib Dems proposing a re-vote for brexit if they get back in? I thought that was their stance on brexit? Might be wrong

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Yes

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Exactly, so when Neil-h says about "giving the public the final say on the deal in Europe"......haven't the public already had the final say? Not sure if he's referring to another referendum on Brexit or the public having a say with the terms and conditions (which I doubt it)

Petem95

Massive policy error on their part. Only a very small percentage of people now back remaining in the EU. Had they backed Leave I think they really could've become a force to be reckoned with in this election.

The ironic thing is Tim Farron has openly said he's Eurosceptic, yet clearly they assumed with the other parties all backing Leave that they'd try and mop up what's left of the Remain camp, but clearly a miscalculation.

neil-h

Nope, the manifesto pledges a vote at the end of negotiations with a choice of take it/leave it/remain.

Should probably go and actually read the manifesto

David Lock

I stand by my comments in the Election thread as: -


If Labour could persuade David Miliband to take over then I think they could just swing it. I would be delighted if May got her comeuppance big time as she is on a course to wreck our future.

I support much of what Corbyn says, aside from re-nationalisation, but his economic arguments are way out - he just won't have enough money!

But of course the above won't happen and we'll end up with that bitch gloating. UKIP can go f**k but perhaps Lib Dems could help?



David

ditchmyster

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I'm a protest voter, in that I don't vote as part of my protest.

It won't make a difference either way, one corrupt self serving fu@ker over another... makes no difference to ordinary people that live hand to mouth... they'll still be living hand to mouth in 5yrs when it's time for another election.

SWRTWannabe

This is not meant to sound as if I am on the offensive, or that I am trying to defend Theresa May, but why do you think she is on a course to wreck our future? Maybe my blinkered view, but I'm sure she doesn't go to bed each night thinking how she can squeeze more money out of the disadvantaged, contrary to what the online vitriol would have you believe. Like you say, Corbyn's economic arguments are way out, and when you take that into account, I dread to think how he is going to achieve what he is setting out to do, but suspect that the motorist may once again be an easy target to raise cash. Conversely, May's policies seem to have a little more economic reality in them, despite it not being a pretty picture. Agree with you on the nationalisation; if he wants to play trains Hornby have a nice range!

Martin2005

You've obviously stumbled across the Tories economic plan. Thus far in this campaign it's been kept a closely guarded secret. 😀

TheAngryFerret

http://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz
Have any of you tried this?
Apparently it tells you who you best fit with.

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

The fact that so many intend to vote Conservative with their promise to asset-strip the NHS and privatise it is beyond me.....it's the policies I shall vote on, not the personalities. Regardless of the outcome, I wouldn't bet on May being leader for long.

Petem95

But at least they have the bottle to at least partially acknowledge that the NHS and other government funding is totally unsustainable. I know the 'Dementia tax' backfired, but what do you expect to happen with funding for these organisations?

It's fairly common knowledge that most Western countries including the UK are running massive deficits and have staggering levels of debt, but less coverage is given to future unfunded government liabilities such as public sector pensions and social care etc. It's an absolute time bomb, but there is just no desire to do anything about it - it's almost like it's taboo, so nobody wants to go near the subject.

Tidgy

Better than labours plan to drown the country in debt yet again.

David Lock

[QUOTE=SWRTWannabe;11944871]This is not meant to sound as if I am on the offensive, or that I am trying to defend Theresa May, but why do you think she is on a course to wreck our future? Maybe my blinkered view, but I'm sure she doesn't go to bed each night thinking how she can squeeze more money out of the disadvantaged, contrary to what the online vitriol would have you believe. Like you say, Corbyn's economic arguments are way out, and when you take that into account, I dread to think how he is going to achieve what he is setting out to do, but suspect that the motorist may once again be an easy target to raise cash. Conversely, May's policies seem to have a little more BrQUOTE]

OK, fair comments. IMHO May is charging ahead with zero real negotiating skills completely ignoring the wishes of much of the younger generation who are our future. Brexit is leaving Scotland in a confused mess and screwing up NI who want to stay and leaving the opening for the IRA boys to muscle back in and take the Island back to the old violent days.

Yeah we have some problems with the EU but the benefits of working with them are overwhelming - like scientific research and sharing education. And unravelling all the rules and regs will take 10 years and cost bilions. May will get f,uck all in 2 years and does anyone really think that 27 different countries will smile sweetly and sign up. Come on smell the coffee.

Plus I detest the UK xenophobic Daily Mail approach. Yes I will joke about the Krauts or Froggies but they are really OK folk and we should stay friends.

Just my Euro's worth, David

Martin2005

hmmm, you might want to just do a quick fact check on that matey

Tidgy

labour is promising to spend this and that, with no hope of getting half of the supposed extra tax they are claiming they will. Corp tax hike will make companies go else where especially given the situation with brexit, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

I'm not enamoured with the conservative's at all, but labour are a total mess, they have a leader who doesn't agree with half the party's policies and a group of MP's who want him out, despite the support of the main membership, a party in that much of a disarray is in no shape to lead. and right now they are promising all sorts to buy voters.

Martin2005

Broadly I agree with you, and I certainly couldn't vote for Labour under Corbyn.
The reality is that the National Debt has increased massively under the Tories, so vote for them, but do so based on the facts rather than on myths

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

Labour are proposing to reverse recent cuts in corporation tax, over a period of 3 years, bringing it back up to 26%, where it was in 2011. 26% is the lowest rate in the G7. So where will these companies go for a lower rate?

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9206

Tidgy

Problem is labour left such a huge deficit its not surprise its gone up,



Labour lost power in 2010,,,,,

Martin2005

So you can therefore see that the Tories have borrowed a ****-ton more money than Labour

Tidgy

Which would have been to prop up the crap finances left by labour, policies changes would take 12 months to come into affect.

But the largest spikes were last two years labour were in power, 2009, 2010. Which was after the crash and debt became a major issue.