Voting intentions in the forthcoming election
Poll for Dingdongler.
How will you vote in the forthcoming election? I've left off "won't be voting", if you won't be voting, don't do the poll:) |
I still don't know, it's a horrible choice, either the poor man's Thatcher, or a pale version of Michael Foot!
Probably Lib Dems, as a protest |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11944750)
I still don't know, it's a horrible choice, either the poor man's Thatcher, or a pale version of Michael Foot!
Probably Lib Dems, as a protest |
No option for non voters
Wat if your confused
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I'm actually quite surprised how far ahead Tory and Labour are from the others.
If the little fringe parties like Monstor Raving Looney, Lib Dems and BNP etc can't make inroads in this environment, then they might as well give up! I think LD have made a policy error by not openly supporting leaving the EU. I'd be interested to know what percentage of the intended votes they'd get if they had - I think it would be quite a signficiant jump. I know quite a few Lib Demmer's who consdier themselves 'yellow tory's', and will be voting Tory, when otherwise they'd vote LD if they were backing getting on with Brexit. All of them voted Leave, but have since shifted opinion. The fact so many intend to vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm and Diane Abbot with such a senior role is beyond me. |
Originally Posted by Petem95
(Post 11944774)
I'm actually quite surprised how far ahead Tory and Labour are from the others.
If the little fringe parties like Monstor Raving Looney, Lib Dems and BNP etc can't make inroads in this environment, then they might as well give up! I think LD have made a policy error by not openly supporting leaving the EU. I'd be interested to know what percentage of the intended votes they'd get if they had - I think it would be quite a signficiant jump. I know quite a few Lib Demer's who consdier themselves 'yellow tory's', and will be voting Tory, when otherwise they'd vote LD if they were backing getting on with Brexit. All of them voted Leave, but have since shifted opinion. The fact so many intend to vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm and Diane Abbot with such a senior role is beyond me. |
Originally Posted by Petem95
(Post 11944774)
I'm actually quite surprised how far ahead Tory and Labour are from the others.
If the little fringe parties like Monstor Raving Looney, Lib Dems and BNP etc can't make inroads in this environment, then they might as well give up! I think LD have made a policy error by not openly supporting leaving the EU. I'd be interested to know what percentage of the intended votes they'd get if they had - I think it would be quite a signficiant jump. I know quite a few Lib Demmer's who consdier themselves 'yellow tory's', and will be voting Tory, when otherwise they'd vote LD if they were backing getting on with Brexit. All of them voted Leave, but have since shifted opinion. The fact so many intend to vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm and Diane Abbot with such a senior role is beyond me. LD are struggling because of the whole 2nd referendum nonsense - it's a big miscalculation. People don't want to go through that circus again, and it's transparently about blocking Brexit, which I suspect people feel would be wrong. I'm voting LD as a big **** you to the 2 main parties for their hopelessness Even you must be alarmed at the prospect of a government that cannot even run a coherent election campaign, running the most important set of negotiations in our lifetimes? May is such an empty vessel, and Corbyn is Corbyn |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11944778)
I'm voting LD as a big **** you to the 2 main parties for their hopelessness May is such an empty vessel, and Corbyn is Corbyn LIB DEMZ IT IS THEN |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11944776)
Not at all, the Lib Dem stance on Brexit is actually one of the best. I don't think anyone else is giving the public the final say on the deal with Europe.
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Yes
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Exactly, so when Neil-h says about "giving the public the final say on the deal in Europe"......haven't the public already had the final say? Not sure if he's referring to another referendum on Brexit or the public having a say with the terms and conditions (which I doubt it)
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Originally Posted by Peedee
(Post 11944807)
Exactly, so when Neil-h says about "giving the public the final say on the deal in Europe"......haven't the public already had the final say? Not sure if he's referring to another referendum on Brexit or the public having a say with the terms and conditions (which I doubt it)
The ironic thing is Tim Farron has openly said he's Eurosceptic, yet clearly they assumed with the other parties all backing Leave that they'd try and mop up what's left of the Remain camp, but clearly a miscalculation. |
Originally Posted by Peedee
(Post 11944795)
Aren't Lib Dems proposing a re-vote for brexit if they get back in? I thought that was their stance on brexit? Might be wrong
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11944802)
Yes
Originally Posted by Lib Dem manifesto
At the end of negotiations, there will be a decision on the deal. The Conservatives want the decision to be taken by politicians. Liberal Democrats believe the British people should have the final say.
That’s why, when the terms of our future relationship with the EU have been negotiated (over the next two years on the Government’s timetable), we will put that deal to a vote of the British people in a referendum, with the alternative option of staying in the EU on the ballot paper. We continue to believe that there is no deal as good for the UK outside the EU as the one it already has as a member. |
I stand by my comments in the Election thread as: -
If Labour could persuade David Miliband to take over then I think they could just swing it. I would be delighted if May got her comeuppance big time as she is on a course to wreck our future. I support much of what Corbyn says, aside from re-nationalisation, but his economic arguments are way out - he just won't have enough money! But of course the above won't happen and we'll end up with that bitch gloating. UKIP can go f**k but perhaps Lib Dems could help? David |
I'm a protest voter, in that I don't vote as part of my protest.
It won't make a difference either way, one corrupt self serving fu@ker over another... makes no difference to ordinary people that live hand to mouth... they'll still be living hand to mouth in 5yrs when it's time for another election. ;) |
Originally Posted by David Lock
(Post 11944834)
I stand by my comments in the Election thread as: -
If Labour could persuade David Miliband to take over then I think they could just swing it. I would be delighted if May got her comeuppance big time as she is on a course to wreck our future. I support much of what Corbyn says, aside from re-nationalisation, but his economic arguments are way out - he just won't have enough money! But of course the above won't happen and we'll end up with that bitch gloating. UKIP can go f**k but perhaps Lib Dems could help? David |
Originally Posted by SWRTWannabe
(Post 11944871)
This is not meant to sound as if I am on the offensive, or that I am trying to defend Theresa May, but why do you think she is on a course to wreck our future? Maybe my blinkered view, but I'm sure she doesn't go to bed each night thinking how she can squeeze more money out of the disadvantaged, contrary to what the online vitriol would have you believe. Like you say, Corbyn's economic arguments are way out, and when you take that into account, I dread to think how he is going to achieve what he is setting out to do, but suspect that the motorist may once again be an easy target to raise cash. Conversely, May's policies seem to have a little more economic reality in them, despite it not being a pretty picture. Agree with you on the nationalisation; if he wants to play trains Hornby have a nice range!
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Have any of you tried this? Apparently it tells you who you best fit with. |
Originally Posted by Petem95
(Post 11944774)
The fact so many intend to vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm and Diane Abbot with such a senior role is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
(Post 11944923)
The fact that so many intend to vote Conservative with their promise to asset-strip the NHS and privatise it is beyond me.....it's the policies I shall vote on, not the personalities. Regardless of the outcome, I wouldn't bet on May being PM for long.
It's fairly common knowledge that most Western countries including the UK are running massive deficits and have staggering levels of debt, but less coverage is given to future unfunded government liabilities such as public sector pensions and social care etc. It's an absolute time bomb, but there is just no desire to do anything about it - it's almost like it's taboo, so nobody wants to go near the subject. |
Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
(Post 11944923)
The fact that so many intend to vote Conservative with their promise to asset-strip the NHS and privatise it is beyond me.....it's the policies I shall vote on, not the personalities. Regardless of the outcome, I wouldn't bet on May being PM for long.
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[QUOTE=SWRTWannabe;11944871]This is not meant to sound as if I am on the offensive, or that I am trying to defend Theresa May, but why do you think she is on a course to wreck our future? Maybe my blinkered view, but I'm sure she doesn't go to bed each night thinking how she can squeeze more money out of the disadvantaged, contrary to what the online vitriol would have you believe. Like you say, Corbyn's economic arguments are way out, and when you take that into account, I dread to think how he is going to achieve what he is setting out to do, but suspect that the motorist may once again be an easy target to raise cash. Conversely, May's policies seem to have a little more BrQUOTE]
OK, fair comments. IMHO May is charging ahead with zero real negotiating skills completely ignoring the wishes of much of the younger generation who are our future. Brexit is leaving Scotland in a confused mess and screwing up NI who want to stay and leaving the opening for the IRA boys to muscle back in and take the Island back to the old violent days. Yeah we have some problems with the EU but the benefits of working with them are overwhelming - like scientific research and sharing education. And unravelling all the rules and regs will take 10 years and cost bilions. May will get f,uck all in 2 years and does anyone really think that 27 different countries will smile sweetly and sign up. Come on smell the coffee. Plus I detest the UK xenophobic Daily Mail approach. Yes I will joke about the Krauts or Froggies but they are really OK folk and we should stay friends. Just my Euro's worth, David |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11944926)
Better than labours plan to drown the country in debt yet again.
hmmm, you might want to just do a quick fact check on that matey |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11944929)
hmmm, you might want to just do a quick fact check on that matey
I'm not enamoured with the conservative's at all, but labour are a total mess, they have a leader who doesn't agree with half the party's policies and a group of MP's who want him out, despite the support of the main membership, a party in that much of a disarray is in no shape to lead. and right now they are promising all sorts to buy voters. |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11944934)
labour is promising to spend this and that, with no hope of getting half of the supposed extra tax they are claiming they will. Corp tax hike will make companies go else where especially given the situation with brexit, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not enamoured with the conservative's at all, but labour are a total mess, they have a leader who doesn't agree with half the party's policies and a group of MP's who want him out, despite the support of the main membership, a party in that much of a disarray is in no shape to lead. and right now they are promising all sorts to buy voters. Broadly I agree with you, and I certainly couldn't vote for Labour under Corbyn. The reality is that the National Debt has increased massively under the Tories, so vote for them, but do so based on the facts rather than on myths |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11944934)
Corp tax hike will make companies go else where especially given the situation with brexit, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9206 |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11944937)
Broadly I agree with you, and I certainly couldn't vote for Labour under Corbyn.
The reality is that the National Debt has increased massively under the Tories, so vote for them, but do so based on the facts rather than on myths https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...f9dd74c233.png Labour lost power in 2010,,,,, |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11944946)
Problem is labour left such a huge deficit its not surprise its gone up,
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...f9dd74c233.png Labour lost power in 2010,,,,, So you can therefore see that the Tories have borrowed a ****-ton more money than Labour |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11944960)
So you can therefore see that the Tories have borrowed a ****-ton more money than Labour
But the largest spikes were last two years labour were in power, 2009, 2010. Which was after the crash and debt became a major issue. |
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