This stood out when I caught Question Time a few weeks ago:

 

Brave woman, thanks for sharing as I'd not seen that clip. "The elephant in the room" is entirely apt. Fact is we can't do without Saudi Arabia as an ally in the ME for geopolitical, military and economic reasons. They are a paradoxical enemy/friend with whom we've developed a kind of perverse synergy. Like a bad marriage.

 

Nice staged muslim rally here - footage was used by CCN and BBC. No surprise there then..

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=406_1496615532

They [CNN, BBC etc] really don't do themselves any favours with this sort of thing. I'm not in the 'all muslims are terrorists' camp, and there are probably cultural reasons why they are rarely seen to denounce terrorism, but this sort of thing you see on the far-left liberal media is just cringeworthy.

 

There's an 'all muslims are terrorists camp'?

If this was staged , which btw is not really evident, then that's pretty shoddy.

​​​​​​Does 'liveleak.com' do a similar hatchet job on Fox News? Surely a serious media fact checking site would be all over their constant lies and distortions?


btw - CNN is a joke, they are completely slanted in their coverage, in recent years they've clearly decided to take the Fox News model and cheerlead for one side. It is completely bonkers to suggest that the BBC are anything like CNN or Fox.

 

This is the leaflet the brave woman gives reference to:


Also, the woman who denies that the leaflet was handed out at Didsbury mosque, is the same woman in the background who was claiming that there aren't any Saudi financed mosques in the UK.

Either there is some sort of over denial or cover up going on here ....

 

 

We need to engage with anyone prepared to talk so power to both Muslim women for going on QT. I'm surprised the women wearing the bright hijab would seek to deny the contents of the leaflet; it strikes me as being absolutely inline with Islamic philosophy and a quick flick through their sacred texts will confirm this.

I find the whole thing frustrating as it seems that if people like the man in the clip raise valid points then some Muslims become defensive which causes division, but the alternative of not speaking out allows the literature and speach of division to go unchallenged and unfettered. A rock and a hard place.

I've been racking my brains for more than sixteen years now, and have been unable to pinpoint a pragmatic, tangible solution to the issue of cultural divide between Islam and the west. Either one 'side' capitulates or we face millennia of conflict. It is for this reason, among others, that I find solace in Christ. The promise of a future world where peace reigns is a particularly seductive one and gives me hope where otherwise there'd be dispair.

 

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

Agreed.
Irrelevant. My point is that they won the moment we had to change things, the moment it cost us time and money, the moment we began running scared, not doing things, looking over our shoulders, not being allowed to take harmless stuff on planes...just in case....

It's totally irrelevant whether I want it, or not, it's here.

 

Old Testament not the New. Christians follow Christ, Banny. Other than that, I have no beef with you. Peace.

 

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

Have a read around these verses to understand the context. Christ talked and taught in parables and used hyperbole to drive home His point. I know of no Christians who think of these as literal commands, just as nobody considers Jesus to be plantlife inspite of His declaration that He is the Vine.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...terror-attack/

Find this a bit strange, 6 people missing after the attack on Saturday - apparently not on the list of casualties, so what has happened to this lot?

Either they're actually in hospital or dead, but as yet unidentified, or some could have jumped in the Thames and the body has not yet been recovered?

 

Bloody useless weak nobody perpetrators yet again, susceptible to scumbag Choudary

 

Without followers there would be no evil. (Mr. Spock circa 1968)

 

Quite an interesting live broadcast from London on RT just now with a westernised muslim guy being interviewed, and he went off on one [rightfully] accusing Saudi Arabia of funding terrorism with petrodollars etc - would have been interesting to see that on a BBC live broadcast

"Oh we're having some technical difficulties there, and seem to have lost him"

With all the media focus still being on the London attacks it's gone unnoticed that Saudi have cut all ties with Qatar because of it's ties with Iran..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...e-cuts-all-tie

 

My thoughts go out to those who lost loved ones and those that were injured. I'd also like to state what a remarkable job the police did.

As I've been saying for some time, the right just grows stronger and stronger. Someone on my FB feed shared a Tommy Robinson video earlier that had 50k comments on it, 50,000!.
This is unfortunately the product of liberal ignorance, intolerance and the sheer brain washing by the left wing media.
'Love not hate' say all the trendy celebs, before diving behind their armed guards and gated mansions.
Hate breeds hate as much as you want to deny it. Anyone who's had conflict management training will tell you the last thing you do is ignore the angriest person in the room, you coax them down.

Anyone with a right wing opinion (and that's pretty much everyone who isn't a ****ing hippy these days) is either ignored, ostracised or labelled a racist. That just adds fuel to the fire. That fire will eventually overspill and the **** really will hit the fan.

Peace, love, unity, hashtags and fake news have done nothing to extinguish the fire at one end. If we're divided in the middle then we'll all get burned.

I stand by my 'stupid' suggestion to name and shame the 3000 potential terrorists in the UK. I expect some vigilantism, some runners and some unprepared hastily put together plots to emerge from it but I expect
Community, fear of being on that list and unity to come from it. Right now we aren't sufficiently protected from the 3000 (too much for an already strained police force) but the 3000 are protected from us.
Give the power back to the people.

 

You're out of your depth, Kwik.

 

So rather than "coaxing them down" you want to let the second angriest person in the room kick **** out of the angriest person in the room. Awesome.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/12/uk-one-of-worlds-least-religious-countries-survey-finds

As my mum used to say 'two wrongs don't make a right'.

Of those in the UK that would consider themselves catholic or Christian very few are 'practising' religion in the UK just waters down further with every generation. It's evolution from the barbaric to the humane.

Us brits are known for our sense of humour. The ability to look back and laugh that in history people believed in such stories, the ability to laugh at other nations and most importantly laugh at ourselves. Of course in an age of equal rights and equal treatment we should be able to laugh at, criticise and discuss every part and corner of the eclectic mix Britain is in this day and age.

Tolerance is a major part of British life.

 

Lol, not sure where you got that from.

The angriest person would be the right wing right now. The second would be the left.
Taking on points from both sides would diffuse the situation before it erupts.

 

I'd wager the angriest people being the 3 or so thousand could be terrorists that you want to name and shame.

 

Nope. If you knew me at all then you'd know that I have the respect of a lot of different people from a lot of different ages, races, nationalities and religions. I didn't get that from ***** footing around people.

 

Let's run with that. In life the solution to a complicated problem is 9/10 very simple.
By your reckoning there are 3000 angry people on the loose in the UK right at this very moment.
As long as the end result of public naming and shaming is less than 22 dead children then I see no other option, one that is quick and has a very sharp impact anyway.

Feel free to offer your own quick action as a solution.

 

Well, that's nice.

 

It is. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
If people want to hurt others in surprise attacks, simple solution is to take away the element of surprise.

 

Problem is all your "solution" actually achieves is exacerbating the problem. Your 3000 or so extremist types will invariably have a larger number of moderate buddies. Some of which may well become radicalised by seeing their friends persecuted by mob rule.

As for my own solution, there isn't a quick one. Extremism comes in many forms with many causes. There is no catch all solution, as much as you may like to think there is.

 

What does this mean?

 

These people are cowards. They thrive and only can exist with anonimity. A tiny portion may go over the edge but they will be unprepared, known to the public as well as the police and any action will be seen a mile off.

Pandering to their right to anonymity gives them the power. Pandering has landed us in this mess and that 3000 will only get larger.

 

There isn't a quick solution.


As for your idea! FFS go read it back to yourself and ask 'where could this go wrong'?