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Old 05 June 2017, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
These people are cowards. They thrive and only can exist with anonimity. A tiny portion may go over the edge but they will be unprepared, known to the public as well as the police and any action will be seen a mile off.

Pandering to their right to anonymity gives them the power. Pandering has landed us in this mess and that 3000 will only get larger.
So just to confirm, your solution is to publish a list of 3000 would-be Jihadis. Then what?

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Old 05 June 2017, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
So just to confirm, your solution is publish a list of 3000 would-be Jihadis. Then what?
Wait for mob rule to run its course.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Wait for mob rule to run its course.
I don't think even Kwik would advocate that, would he?
Old 05 June 2017, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Wait for mob rule to run its course.



And hand victory to the extremists!


You've got to ask if Kwik even likes this country and our values
Old 05 June 2017, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
These people are cowards. They thrive and only can exist with anonimity. A tiny portion may go over the edge but they will be unprepared, known to the public as well as the police and any action will be seen a mile off.

Pandering to their right to anonymity gives them the power. Pandering has landed us in this mess and that 3000 will only get larger.
That's quite presumptuous. Anonymity gives them the luxury of time, name and shaming may well encourage more of them to pull their fingers out and get on with it. I'd imagine quite a large percentage of that 3000 people would never amount to anything if they remained anonymous with no timescale to work to.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
And hand victory to the extremists!


You've got to ask if Kwik even likes this country and our values
Kwik, like the Jihadis, seems to think he has found a solution. Dangerous.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
There isn't a quick solution.


As for your idea! FFS go read it back to yourself and ask 'where could this go wrong'?
I've been thinking about it for some time. Bounced it off a few people, had criticism, and praise, still convinced it's better than accepting British children will be killed again in the near future.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I don't think even Kwik would advocate that, would he?
Originally Posted by Kwik
I stand by my 'stupid' suggestion to name and shame the 3000 potential terrorists in the UK. I expect some vigilantism, some runners and some unprepared hastily put together plots to emerge from it but I expect
Community, fear of being on that list and unity to come from it. Right now we aren't sufficiently protected from the 3000 (too much for an already strained police force) but the 3000 are protected from us.
Give the power back to the people.
He did.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
He did.
Completely out of his depth. He needs to be reported to the police and put on a de-radicalisation program.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
That's quite presumptuous. Anonymity gives them the luxury of time, name and shaming may well encourage more of them to pull their fingers out and get on with it. I'd imagine quite a large percentage of that 3000 people would never amount to anything if they remained anonymous with no timescale to work to.
A coward with time could pluck up the courage. A coward under pressure would fold. If someone attacks under pressure they have no time to plan.

Ripping off a band aid.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
I've been thinking about it for some time. Bounced it off a few people, had criticism, and praise, still convinced it's better than accepting British children will be killed again in the near future.

I'd love to know the kinds of people you 'bounced this idea off'.


Stop looking for easy answers where there aren't any. This is going to take years to resolve. It's going to need courage, patience and determination.


Silly ideas like yours would just make the problem a 100 times worse
Old 05 June 2017, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
A coward with time could pluck up the courage. A coward under pressure would fold. If someone attacks under pressure they have no time to plan.

Ripping off a band aid.
Old 05 June 2017, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
A coward with time could pluck up the courage. A coward under pressure would fold. If someone attacks under pressure they have no time to plan.

Ripping off a band aid.
You have no idea about human psychology do you?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
A coward with time could pluck up the courage. A coward under pressure would fold. If someone attacks under pressure they have no time to plan.

Ripping off a band aid.



Plan? They only need a set of car keys FFS!
Old 05 June 2017, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I'd love to know the kinds of people you 'bounced this idea off'.


Stop looking for easy answers where there aren't any. This is going to take years to resolve. It's going to need courage, patience and determination.

Silly ideas like yours would just make the problem a 100 times worse
Put it to practice. Your neighbour or workmate has just been named as being one on the list.

What would your reaction be?
Old 05 June 2017, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Put it to practice. Your neighbour or workmate has just been named as being one on the list.

What would your reaction be?
Nuke them from orbit (am I doing this massive overreaction thing right).
Old 05 June 2017, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Put it to practice. Your neighbour or workmate has just been named as being one on the list.

What would your reaction be?



Well I am not going round there with a baseball bat if that's what you're driving at
Old 05 June 2017, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Plan? They only need a set of car keys FFS!
So why didn't they do it last night?. Should we give them time to be more convinced that it's what their god wants them to do?

Can you give me an example of a reformed jihaddist?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Put it to practice. Your neighbour or workmate has just been named as being one on the list.

What would your reaction be?
Old 05 June 2017, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Well I am not going round there with a baseball bat if that's what you're driving at
Exactly. What would you do instead.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Exactly. What would you do instead.

I have absolutely no idea


I'm pretty sure some of Tommy Robinsons mates would though
Old 05 June 2017, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
So why didn't they do it last night?. Should we give them time to be more convinced that it's what their god wants them to do?

Can you give me an example of a reformed jihaddist?
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The problem is lo look at the kind of role model kwik has to look up to


https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/...popular-mayor/




Even new white house spokesman is lying for him
Old 05 June 2017, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
So why didn't they do it last night?. Should we give them time to be more convinced that it's what their god wants them to do?

Can you give me an example of a reformed jihaddist?
JTaylor, these days he's a Christian but the mods won't let him change his user name (what did you think the J stood for) as they don't want him being able to hide.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
JTaylor, these days he's a Christian but the mods won't let him change his user name (what did you think the J stood for) as they don't want him being able to hide.
Sorry? He planned to kill innocent British people?.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Sorry? He planned to kill innocent British people?.
I suspect Neil's being facetious, Kwik.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I have absolutely no idea


I'm pretty sure some of Tommy Robinsons mates would though
And?. I'm sure as they are under surveillance they'd be protected from a baying mob. Any violent thugs would be locked up, two birds with one stone.

Are you happy living in a world where terrorists are protected?.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I suspect Neil's being facetious, Kwik.
Only suspect don't spoil my fun too soon
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Sorry? He planned to kill innocent British people?.
They aren't innocent, they are all wilful combatants in his holy war.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:25 PM
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As a Muslim I'd like to say once again, these types of terrorist acts make me feel physically sick. I pray for a swift recovery for those injured.
I don't post much, but would like to say I agree with 90% of what Kwik says. A tougher stance needed to be taken years ago.
If I had any suspicions about anyone being a terrorist or have those kinds of inclinations, I'm certain I would report report them.



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