Martin2005

Why do I bother with you? - a question I can't find a logical explanation for.

I think I must believe that deep down you are reasonable human being, but you really hide it well!

Martin2005

I'm old enough to appreciate that politics swings from right to left in fairly regular cycles. The fact remains s though that most people are broadly in the middle.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Did you vote remain or leave Martin?.

Martin2005

Remain

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

I voted leave obviously. That puts me in the majority of the voting public. The same voting public that voted in the tories, and are likely to again.
That means my 'warped view' is shared by the majority and you are very much a part of the minority.
It also shows that your opinion of 'most people are in the middle' as being completely unfounded at this present time.

I think you're out of touch Martin.

Martin2005

Sorry, but that is just complete twaddle.

The vast majority are in the middle and that has been the case for decades.

I know lots of moderate people that voted leave, that didn't transform them overnight into right wingers. In a binary referendum question, you think the result therefore identifies left and right - God I could weep!
I'm probably going to vote Tory at the GE, so what does that do to your theory?

You have an unbelievably naive way of looking at things.

dpb

Cripes, that tiny slim majority makes you feel worthwhile

!. I guess everyone needs something to cling onto

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Because you like to argue, despite having no proper arguments, so you resort to tired one liners?
And denial?

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Or you're looking at things in a complicated fashion tying yourself in knots. You consider yourself a moderate but vilify the right and don't comment on the left. You voted remain but the majority of BF's supporters would have voted leave. As I voted leave doesn't make me a BF supporter, just as those you know who voted leave didn't stick to the right.
But the act of voting leave was prodominantly anti immigration by most and therefore a right wing vote.

dpb

Oh , its a requirement now





( polarisation is very clearly the name of your game)

dpb

British jobs for british workers. Convienient since it looks like they'll be less of em

https://www.theguardian.com/business...m-club-experts

dpb

Even Le Pen thinks its bad idea for eu to fall apart now....



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...crusade-error/

hodgy0_2

some academic studies show that those in denial - sink deeper into denial as more facts emerge

the most famous example of this was observed by Leon Festinger in his book "when prophecy fails"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

it deals with a doomsday cult called "the seekers" - lead by a cult leader called Dorothy Martin

Festinger was fascinated by how we deal with information that fails to match up to our beliefs, and suspected that we are strongly motivated to resolve the conflict—a state of mind he called "cognitive dissonance." He wanted a clear-cut case with which to test his fledgling ideas, so decided to follow Martin's group as the much vaunted date came and went. Would they give up their closely held beliefs, or would they work to justify them even in the face of the most brutal contradiction?


The Seekers abandoned their jobs, possessions, and spouses to wait for the flying saucer, but neither the aliens nor the apocalypse arrived. After several uncomfortable hours on the appointed day, Martin received a "message" saying that the group "had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction." The group responded by proselytizing with a renewed vigour. According to Festinger, they resolved the intense conflict between reality and prophecy by seeking safety in numbers. "If more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly, it must, after all, be correct."

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Sounds like remoaners.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

To a T

mrtheedge2u2

Yes, with the majority. The majority are:
1. The lower educated
2. The older generation who cling onto false dreams that we can bring back the 60s

Uncle Creepy

Sounds like more desperate remoaner garbage to me!

neil-h

Nope, it was statistically proven.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Those of a higher education that I've met struggle with logic, social skills and moral ethics.

Petem95

Ah a link to The Guardian No wonder you're so bitter and angry, you obviously lap up the **** those SJW's feed you!

Good to hear many remainers have woken up and smelt the coffee though - only 22% in the latest YouGov polls now want to Remain. Evidently still some need to learn about economics and how democracy works.

ECB are now right up there with the BoJ as far a peak insanity goes - debt purchases in the region of $100bn a month now. Just keep the party going, whatever the cost!



https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/...ation-continue

Uncle Creepy

And since when has level of education been a criterion in determining whether somebody is deemed fit to vote? How democratic!

I must've read that 'lower educated' line a dozen times; unsurprisingly, it's always trotted out by remoaners. One doesn't require A-Levels or a university education to exercise common sense, to make sound judgements, to make observations about a political idea/decision or see how a country has changed because of it. An academic education doesn't equate to astute decision-making.

I appreciate it's not representative of the British voting public, but let's just consider for a second the most hopelessly-clueless simpletons who regularly post on NSR (I can provide names if you like, but we all know who they are!). They ALL voted remain!!!

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

People of apparent higher education have since lost the ability to see their own hypocrisy.
A year later and remoaners still spout the same nonsense.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

wonderfull pisstake of mrs may have a watch

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Aye, right, anyone who disagrees with your pov is thick, ill educated or too old to matter.

And you wonder why the right is rising? LOL

neil-h

And who exactly said that?

Uncle Creepy

It's obviously the insinuation. Or why else would numerous remoaners have commented on it when trying to strengthen their argument that voting Leave was the wrong decision!?

neil-h

If that's what you want to read into it then that's entirely up to you. Doesn't change the fact there's a statistical correlation between level of education/age and how they voted.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Who says? how many in the study? Did they answer honestly? how do you know?

Statistics is mostly pure b/s and you know it. The "statistics" said we'd all vote remain.
The "statistics" said Clinton would be president.

Uncle Creepy

And...what's your point? What relevance does that have, if it is even true?

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

I'll stick to my original opinion. That those of 'higher education' are generally thick.