Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

Is the EU falling apart?

Old May 14, 2017 | 03:34 PM
  #181  
Martin2005's Avatar
Martin2005
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
From: Type 25. Build No.34
Default

Originally Posted by alcazar
That sounds like b/s to me.

Good job we didn't tread in it
Why do I bother with you? - a question I can't find a logical explanation for.

I think I must believe that deep down you are reasonable human being, but you really hide it well!
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:36 PM
  #182  
Martin2005's Avatar
Martin2005
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
From: Type 25. Build No.34
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
It is. But what is moderate in a country where the Tory party represent the views of the working class better than the Labour Party?.
The world has shifted to the right and will continue to do so until there is significant change.
I'm old enough to appreciate that politics swings from right to left in fairly regular cycles. The fact remains s though that most people are broadly in the middle.
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:37 PM
  #183  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by Martin2005
I did take a look. I can see where you get your material, paranoia and warped world view from now.
Did you vote remain or leave Martin?.
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:40 PM
  #184  
Martin2005's Avatar
Martin2005
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
From: Type 25. Build No.34
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
Did you vote remain or leave Martin?.
Remain
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:47 PM
  #185  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

I voted leave obviously. That puts me in the majority of the voting public. The same voting public that voted in the tories, and are likely to again.
That means my 'warped view' is shared by the majority and you are very much a part of the minority.
It also shows that your opinion of 'most people are in the middle' as being completely unfounded at this present time.

I think you're out of touch Martin.
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:52 PM
  #186  
Martin2005's Avatar
Martin2005
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
From: Type 25. Build No.34
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
I voted leave obviously. That puts me in the majority of the voting public. The same voting public that voted in the tories, and are likely to again.
That means my 'warped view' is shared by the majority and you are very much a part of the minority.
It also shows that your opinion of 'most people are in the middle' as being completely unfounded at this present time.

I think you're out of touch Martin.
Sorry, but that is just complete twaddle.

The vast majority are in the middle and that has been the case for decades.

I know lots of moderate people that voted leave, that didn't transform them overnight into right wingers. In a binary referendum question, you think the result therefore identifies left and right - God I could weep!
I'm probably going to vote Tory at the GE, so what does that do to your theory?

You have an unbelievably naive way of looking at things.

Last edited by Martin2005; May 14, 2017 at 03:54 PM.
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 03:54 PM
  #187  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
I voted leave obviously. That puts me in the majority of the voting public. The same voting public that voted in the tories, and are likely to again.
That means my 'warped view' is shared by the majority and you are very much a part of the minority.
It also shows that your opinion of 'most people are in the middle' as being completely unfounded at this present time.

I think you're out of touch Martin.
Cripes, that tiny slim majority makes you feel worthwhile

!. I guess everyone needs something to cling onto
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 04:11 PM
  #188  
alcazar's Avatar
alcazar
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 40,787
Likes: 30
From: Rl'yeh
Default

Originally Posted by Martin2005
Why do I bother with you? - a question I can't find a logical explanation for.

I think I must believe that deep down you are reasonable human being, but you really hide it well!
Because you like to argue, despite having no proper arguments, so you resort to tired one liners?
And denial?
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 04:17 PM
  #189  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by Martin2005
Sorry, but that is just complete twaddle.

The vast majority are in the middle and that has been the case for decades.

I know lots of moderate people that voted leave, that didn't transform them overnight into right wingers. In a binary referendum question, you think the result therefore identifies left and right - God I could weep!
I'm probably going to vote Tory at the GE, so what does that do to your theory?

You have an unbelievably naive way of looking at things.
Or you're looking at things in a complicated fashion tying yourself in knots. You consider yourself a moderate but vilify the right and don't comment on the left. You voted remain but the majority of BF's supporters would have voted leave. As I voted leave doesn't make me a BF supporter, just as those you know who voted leave didn't stick to the right.
But the act of voting leave was prodominantly anti immigration by most and therefore a right wing vote.
Reply
Old May 14, 2017 | 05:05 PM
  #190  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Oh , its a requirement now





( polarisation is very clearly the name of your game)

Last edited by dpb; May 14, 2017 at 05:13 PM.
Reply
Old May 15, 2017 | 09:24 AM
  #191  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

British jobs for british workers. Convienient since it looks like they'll be less of em

https://www.theguardian.com/business...m-club-experts
Reply
Old May 22, 2017 | 02:00 PM
  #192  
dpb's Avatar
dpb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 46,493
Likes: 13
From: riding the crest of a wave ...
Default

Even Le Pen thinks its bad idea for eu to fall apart now....



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...crusade-error/
Reply
Old May 22, 2017 | 02:12 PM
  #193  
hodgy0_2's Avatar
hodgy0_2
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 15,634
Likes: 22
From: K
Default

some academic studies show that those in denial - sink deeper into denial as more facts emerge

the most famous example of this was observed by Leon Festinger in his book "when prophecy fails"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

it deals with a doomsday cult called "the seekers" - lead by a cult leader called Dorothy Martin

Festinger was fascinated by how we deal with information that fails to match up to our beliefs, and suspected that we are strongly motivated to resolve the conflict—a state of mind he called "cognitive dissonance." He wanted a clear-cut case with which to test his fledgling ideas, so decided to follow Martin's group as the much vaunted date came and went. Would they give up their closely held beliefs, or would they work to justify them even in the face of the most brutal contradiction?


The Seekers abandoned their jobs, possessions, and spouses to wait for the flying saucer, but neither the aliens nor the apocalypse arrived. After several uncomfortable hours on the appointed day, Martin received a "message" saying that the group "had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction." The group responded by proselytizing with a renewed vigour. According to Festinger, they resolved the intense conflict between reality and prophecy by seeking safety in numbers. "If more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly, it must, after all, be correct."
Reply
Old May 23, 2017 | 06:23 PM
  #194  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
some academic studies show that those in denial - sink deeper into denial as more facts emerge

the most famous example of this was observed by Leon Festinger in his book "when prophecy fails"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

it deals with a doomsday cult called "the seekers" - lead by a cult leader called Dorothy Martin

Festinger was fascinated by how we deal with information that fails to match up to our beliefs, and suspected that we are strongly motivated to resolve the conflict—a state of mind he called "cognitive dissonance." He wanted a clear-cut case with which to test his fledgling ideas, so decided to follow Martin's group as the much vaunted date came and went. Would they give up their closely held beliefs, or would they work to justify them even in the face of the most brutal contradiction?


The Seekers abandoned their jobs, possessions, and spouses to wait for the flying saucer, but neither the aliens nor the apocalypse arrived. After several uncomfortable hours on the appointed day, Martin received a "message" saying that the group "had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction." The group responded by proselytizing with a renewed vigour. According to Festinger, they resolved the intense conflict between reality and prophecy by seeking safety in numbers. "If more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly, it must, after all, be correct."
Sounds like remoaners.
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 09:38 AM
  #195  
alcazar's Avatar
alcazar
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 40,787
Likes: 30
From: Rl'yeh
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
Sounds like remoaners.
To a T
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 09:45 AM
  #196  
mrtheedge2u2's Avatar
mrtheedge2u2
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,194
Likes: 31
Default

Originally Posted by Kwik
I voted leave obviously. That puts me in the majority of the voting public. The same voting public that voted in the tories, and are likely to again.
That means my 'warped view' is shared by the majority and you are very much a part of the minority.
It also shows that your opinion of 'most people are in the middle' as being completely unfounded at this present time.

I think you're out of touch Martin.
Yes, with the majority. The majority are:
1. The lower educated
2. The older generation who cling onto false dreams that we can bring back the 60s
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 02:37 PM
  #197  
Uncle Creepy's Avatar
Uncle Creepy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
From: Chewing the fat
Default

Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Yes, with the majority. The majority are:
1. The lower educated
2. The older generation who cling onto false dreams that we can bring back the 60s
Sounds like more desperate remoaner garbage to me!
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 03:07 PM
  #198  
neil-h's Avatar
neil-h
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
From: Berks
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Creepy
Sounds like more desperate remoaner garbage to me!
Nope, it was statistically proven.
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 03:29 PM
  #199  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Yes, with the majority. The majority are:
1. The lower educated
2. The older generation who cling onto false dreams that we can bring back the 60s
Those of a higher education that I've met struggle with logic, social skills and moral ethics.
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 06:30 PM
  #200  
Petem95's Avatar
Petem95
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,387
Likes: 0
From: Scoobynet
Default

Originally Posted by dpb
British jobs for british workers. Convienient since it looks like they'll be less of em

https://www.theguardian.com/business...m-club-experts
Ah a link to The Guardian No wonder you're so bitter and angry, you obviously lap up the **** those SJW's feed you!

Good to hear many remainers have woken up and smelt the coffee though - only 22% in the latest YouGov polls now want to Remain. Evidently still some need to learn about economics and how democracy works.

ECB are now right up there with the BoJ as far a peak insanity goes - debt purchases in the region of $100bn a month now. Just keep the party going, whatever the cost!



https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/...ation-continue
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 06:45 PM
  #201  
Uncle Creepy's Avatar
Uncle Creepy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
From: Chewing the fat
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
Nope, it was statistically proven.
And since when has level of education been a criterion in determining whether somebody is deemed fit to vote? How democratic!

I must've read that 'lower educated' line a dozen times; unsurprisingly, it's always trotted out by remoaners. One doesn't require A-Levels or a university education to exercise common sense, to make sound judgements, to make observations about a political idea/decision or see how a country has changed because of it. An academic education doesn't equate to astute decision-making.

I appreciate it's not representative of the British voting public, but let's just consider for a second the most hopelessly-clueless simpletons who regularly post on NSR (I can provide names if you like, but we all know who they are!). They ALL voted remain!!!
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 07:29 PM
  #202  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Creepy
And since when has level of education been a criterion in determining whether somebody is deemed fit to vote? How democratic!

I must've read that 'lower educated' line a dozen times; unsurprisingly, it's always trotted out by remoaners. One doesn't require A-Levels or a university education to exercise common sense, to make sound judgements, to make observations about a political idea/decision or see how a country has changed because of it. An academic education doesn't equate to astute decision-making.

I appreciate it's not representative of the British voting public, but let's just consider for a second the most hopelessly-clueless simpletons who regularly post on NSR (I can provide names if you like, but we all know who they are!). They ALL voted remain!!!
People of apparent higher education have since lost the ability to see their own hypocrisy.
A year later and remoaners still spout the same nonsense.
Reply
Old May 24, 2017 | 10:17 PM
  #203  
madscoob's Avatar
madscoob
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,084
Likes: 2
From: u cant touch this
Default

wonderfull pisstake of mrs may have a watch
Reply
Old May 25, 2017 | 10:04 AM
  #204  
alcazar's Avatar
alcazar
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 40,787
Likes: 30
From: Rl'yeh
Default

Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Yes, with the majority. The majority are:
1. The lower educated
2. The older generation who cling onto false dreams that we can bring back the 60s
Aye, right, anyone who disagrees with your pov is thick, ill educated or too old to matter.

And you wonder why the right is rising? LOL
Reply
Old May 25, 2017 | 10:26 AM
  #205  
neil-h's Avatar
neil-h
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
From: Berks
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Creepy
And since when has level of education been a criterion in determining whether somebody is deemed fit to vote? How democratic!

I must've read that 'lower educated' line a dozen times; unsurprisingly, it's always trotted out by remoaners. One doesn't require A-Levels or a university education to exercise common sense, to make sound judgements, to make observations about a political idea/decision or see how a country has changed because of it. An academic education doesn't equate to astute decision-making.

I appreciate it's not representative of the British voting public, but let's just consider for a second the most hopelessly-clueless simpletons who regularly post on NSR (I can provide names if you like, but we all know who they are!). They ALL voted remain!!!
And who exactly said that?
Reply
Old May 25, 2017 | 07:22 PM
  #206  
Uncle Creepy's Avatar
Uncle Creepy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
From: Chewing the fat
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
And who exactly said that?
It's obviously the insinuation. Or why else would numerous remoaners have commented on it when trying to strengthen their argument that voting Leave was the wrong decision!?
Reply
Old May 25, 2017 | 09:26 PM
  #207  
neil-h's Avatar
neil-h
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
From: Berks
Default

Originally Posted by Uncle Creepy
It's obviously the insinuation. Or why else would numerous remoaners have commented on it when trying to strengthen their argument that voting Leave was the wrong decision!?
If that's what you want to read into it then that's entirely up to you. Doesn't change the fact there's a statistical correlation between level of education/age and how they voted.
Reply
Old May 26, 2017 | 12:01 PM
  #208  
alcazar's Avatar
alcazar
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 40,787
Likes: 30
From: Rl'yeh
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
If that's what you want to read into it then that's entirely up to you. Doesn't change the fact there's a statistical correlation between level of education/age and how they voted.
Who says? how many in the study? Did they answer honestly? how do you know?

Statistics is mostly pure b/s and you know it. The "statistics" said we'd all vote remain.
The "statistics" said Clinton would be president.
Reply
Old May 26, 2017 | 08:44 PM
  #209  
Uncle Creepy's Avatar
Uncle Creepy
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
From: Chewing the fat
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
Doesn't change the fact there's a statistical correlation between level of education/age and how they voted.
And...what's your point? What relevance does that have, if it is even true?
Reply
Old May 27, 2017 | 07:37 AM
  #210  
Kwik's Avatar
Kwik
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,140
Likes: 0
From: Gone Dark
Default

Originally Posted by neil-h
If that's what you want to read into it then that's entirely up to you. Doesn't change the fact there's a statistical correlation between level of education/age and how they voted.
I'll stick to my original opinion. That those of 'higher education' are generally thick.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:31 PM.