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19 April 2017, 06:01 PM
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I have never found one person that voted to be out of the union and their reasons were not immigration/people taking jobs. People should realise the immigration of the last few years is down to lots of civil war.
The EU is more than just migration. I'm sure May called the election as she doesn't want to be remembered for all time as the person who took us out of the EU. She was actually pro EU and although she triggered article 50 it's still reversable as it's what ever all the member states say it is or should I say Germany
The EU is more than just migration. I'm sure May called the election as she doesn't want to be remembered for all time as the person who took us out of the EU. She was actually pro EU and although she triggered article 50 it's still reversable as it's what ever all the member states say it is or should I say Germany
19 April 2017, 07:44 PM
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We could still make trade deals via the EU, the latest one is with Canada! We benefit from stronger trade deals negotiating as the huge EU economy compared to the comparatively small UK economy.
Exactly which taxes does the EU not let us set ourselves? Income tax, NI, corporation Tax, VAT, car tax, TV tax, Tobacco tax, Alcohol tax, insurance tax, betting tax?
Do you really think the UK tax-payer should support failing companies? A return to the good old days of British Leyland?
Immigration has always been driven by the economy! Taking control of immigration won't reduce immigration, only increase the beauracracy and associted costs and frustrate companies who have more paperwork and delays when trying to employ immigrants to fill the positions they can't fill with British workers.
Exactly which taxes does the EU not let us set ourselves? Income tax, NI, corporation Tax, VAT, car tax, TV tax, Tobacco tax, Alcohol tax, insurance tax, betting tax?
Do you really think the UK tax-payer should support failing companies? A return to the good old days of British Leyland?
Immigration has always been driven by the economy! Taking control of immigration won't reduce immigration, only increase the beauracracy and associted costs and frustrate companies who have more paperwork and delays when trying to employ immigrants to fill the positions they can't fill with British workers.
19 April 2017, 08:07 PM
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Tax
https://www.brugesgroup.com/taxation/56-issues/taxation/228-the-marks-and-spencer-case-eu-forces-changes-to-british-tax-law
The EU is basically a closed cartel blocking competition from outside the union. It has taken many years to achieve the Canadian deal.
There should be the ability to support specialist companies which provide services essential to the UK.
Migration needs to be controlled full stop,
https://www.brugesgroup.com/taxation/56-issues/taxation/228-the-marks-and-spencer-case-eu-forces-changes-to-british-tax-law
The EU is basically a closed cartel blocking competition from outside the union. It has taken many years to achieve the Canadian deal.
There should be the ability to support specialist companies which provide services essential to the UK.
Migration needs to be controlled full stop,
19 April 2017, 08:12 PM
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all true except for VAT
I believe the EU set a minimum VAT level (on some commodities) - currently at 15% - so our is considerably higher anyway, no one is thinking of reducing it so in a way a moot point
apart from the above state subsidies/support may fall foul of WTO rules (we would be subject to the WTO court in Geneva)
unless we go full "North Korea" and opt out of word trade altogether!!!
Immigration - from the EU, was always based on being in work and not being a burden in a host nations welfare/health system anyway
and from outside the EU we had total control obviously
I believe the EU set a minimum VAT level (on some commodities) - currently at 15% - so our is considerably higher anyway, no one is thinking of reducing it so in a way a moot point
unless we go full "North Korea" and opt out of word trade altogether!!!
Immigration - from the EU, was always based on being in work and not being a burden in a host nations welfare/health system anyway
and from outside the EU we had total control obviously
19 April 2017, 11:21 PM
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all true except for VAT
I believe the EU set a minimum VAT level (on some commodities) - currently at 15% - so our is considerably higher anyway, no one is thinking of reducing it so in a way a moot point
apart from the above state subsidies/support may fall foul of WTO rules (we would be subject to the WTO court in Geneva)
unless we go full "North Korea" and opt out of word trade altogether!!!
Immigration - from the EU, was always based on being in work and not being a burden in a host nations welfare/health system anyway
and from outside the EU we had total control obviously
I believe the EU set a minimum VAT level (on some commodities) - currently at 15% - so our is considerably higher anyway, no one is thinking of reducing it so in a way a moot point
apart from the above state subsidies/support may fall foul of WTO rules (we would be subject to the WTO court in Geneva)
unless we go full "North Korea" and opt out of word trade altogether!!!
Immigration - from the EU, was always based on being in work and not being a burden in a host nations welfare/health system anyway
and from outside the EU we had total control obviously
21 April 2017, 02:25 AM
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Oh christ, an election for who will govern us for the next 5 years without EU controls is being decided about brexit.
We are brexiting, we need to look at what type of country we want, and the tories are destroying it right now!
We are brexiting, we need to look at what type of country we want, and the tories are destroying it right now!
21 April 2017, 08:21 AM
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21 April 2017, 08:32 AM
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21 April 2017, 09:12 AM
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In recent history, both Concervatives and New Labour have pretty much occupied the centre ground, so the Lib Dems have not really had a look in.
Now Conservatives have taken a lunge to the right to head off UKIP and Labour under Corbyn have gone back to their grass roots lefty politics, there is now a gaping hole in the middle which the Lib Dems could capitalise on!
Its fair to say most people are politically centrist, maybe leaning slightly to the left or right, but certainly not extreme left or right. At the moment and taking Brexit out of the argument, the Lib Dems are currently the party that best represent the majority of people in the UK.
The problem is, since the early 1920's there has only been Tory or Labour in power so people have become accustomed to voting for one or the other in what has almost become a two party system. Part of the problem is the press generally only talks about Tory or Labour and everyone else is forgotten!
Now Conservatives have taken a lunge to the right to head off UKIP and Labour under Corbyn have gone back to their grass roots lefty politics, there is now a gaping hole in the middle which the Lib Dems could capitalise on!
Its fair to say most people are politically centrist, maybe leaning slightly to the left or right, but certainly not extreme left or right. At the moment and taking Brexit out of the argument, the Lib Dems are currently the party that best represent the majority of people in the UK.
The problem is, since the early 1920's there has only been Tory or Labour in power so people have become accustomed to voting for one or the other in what has almost become a two party system. Part of the problem is the press generally only talks about Tory or Labour and everyone else is forgotten!
21 April 2017, 10:10 AM
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We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
You go ahead and believe the Media, MP candidate selections are taking place in labour right now, many of those Blairites who are destroying the party will be gone before June 8th, no more gravy train for those Red Tory ********. The ones that are so desperate to continue Thatchers neo-liberal policies, the ones so desperate to spend £160bn on Trident replacement while OUR NHS goes to hell in a handbasket, our police and emergency services are cut to the bone.
If you guys keep perpetuating the myth that Corbyn is bad for the country then you will make it a self fulfilling prophecy, so be ready for your kids having zero hours contracts whilst trying to pay criminal rents for uninhabitable property and deciding whether to eat or pay for their private medical insurance.
Lib dems will jump back into bed with the tories, they are no option and anyone that votes for Farron is wasting a vote and has a short memory. He wants to stop brexit like Clegg wanted to stop tuition fees!
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21 April 2017, 01:20 PM
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New Labour are destroying Labour.
We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
You go ahead and believe the Media, MP candidate selections are taking place in labour right now, many of those Blairites who are destroying the party will be gone before June 8th, no more gravy train for those Red Tory ********. The ones that are so desperate to continue Thatchers neo-liberal policies, the ones so desperate to spend £160bn on Trident replacement while OUR NHS goes to hell in a handbasket, our police and emergency services are cut to the bone.
If you guys keep perpetuating the myth that Corbyn is bad for the country then you will make it a self fulfilling prophecy, so be ready for your kids having zero hours contracts whilst trying to pay criminal rents for uninhabitable property and deciding whether to eat or pay for their private medical insurance.
Lib dems will jump back into bed with the tories, they are no option and anyone that votes for Farron is wasting a vote and has a short memory. He wants to stop brexit like Clegg wanted to stop tuition fees!
We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
You go ahead and believe the Media, MP candidate selections are taking place in labour right now, many of those Blairites who are destroying the party will be gone before June 8th, no more gravy train for those Red Tory ********. The ones that are so desperate to continue Thatchers neo-liberal policies, the ones so desperate to spend £160bn on Trident replacement while OUR NHS goes to hell in a handbasket, our police and emergency services are cut to the bone.
If you guys keep perpetuating the myth that Corbyn is bad for the country then you will make it a self fulfilling prophecy, so be ready for your kids having zero hours contracts whilst trying to pay criminal rents for uninhabitable property and deciding whether to eat or pay for their private medical insurance.
Lib dems will jump back into bed with the tories, they are no option and anyone that votes for Farron is wasting a vote and has a short memory. He wants to stop brexit like Clegg wanted to stop tuition fees!
labour is labour, no mater how you try to put a pink bow on it
All political partys are as bent as 9 bob notes, cons, lab, ukip, lib dem etc etc
The very fact they have to abied by party rules rather than there constituents is where the whole system has fallen down.
Should remove all political partys and every one be independant and vote how they want/how their constituents want, not following a party line. Problem solved.
21 April 2017, 01:27 PM
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You're funny!
How do the policies of the Liberal Democrats best represent the majority of people in the UK?
21 April 2017, 01:29 PM
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New Labour are destroying Labour.
We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
You go ahead and believe the Media, MP candidate selections are taking place in labour right now, many of those Blairites who are destroying the party will be gone before June 8th, no more gravy train for those Red Tory ********. The ones that are so desperate to continue Thatchers neo-liberal policies, the ones so desperate to spend £160bn on Trident replacement while OUR NHS goes to hell in a handbasket, our police and emergency services are cut to the bone.
If you guys keep perpetuating the myth that Corbyn is bad for the country then you will make it a self fulfilling prophecy, so be ready for your kids having zero hours contracts whilst trying to pay criminal rents for uninhabitable property and deciding whether to eat or pay for their private medical insurance.
Lib dems will jump back into bed with the tories, they are no option and anyone that votes for Farron is wasting a vote and has a short memory. He wants to stop brexit like Clegg wanted to stop tuition fees!
We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
You go ahead and believe the Media, MP candidate selections are taking place in labour right now, many of those Blairites who are destroying the party will be gone before June 8th, no more gravy train for those Red Tory ********. The ones that are so desperate to continue Thatchers neo-liberal policies, the ones so desperate to spend £160bn on Trident replacement while OUR NHS goes to hell in a handbasket, our police and emergency services are cut to the bone.
If you guys keep perpetuating the myth that Corbyn is bad for the country then you will make it a self fulfilling prophecy, so be ready for your kids having zero hours contracts whilst trying to pay criminal rents for uninhabitable property and deciding whether to eat or pay for their private medical insurance.
Lib dems will jump back into bed with the tories, they are no option and anyone that votes for Farron is wasting a vote and has a short memory. He wants to stop brexit like Clegg wanted to stop tuition fees!
Like I said earlier, I'm looking forward to seeing those clowns from Momentum after the election.
I don't think even Corbyn himself thinks he's up to the job.
As for New Labour ruining the Labour Party - that's just laughable. It was New Labour that won 3 massive majorities on the trot.
When will they wake up? We need an opposition!
21 April 2017, 01:31 PM
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Like I said earlier, I'm looking forward to seeing those clowns from Momentum after the election.
I don't think even Corbyn himself thinks he's up to the job.
As for New Labour ruining the Labour Party - that's just laughable. It was New Labour that won 3 massive majorities on the trot.
When will they wake up? We need an opposition!
I don't think even Corbyn himself thinks he's up to the job.
As for New Labour ruining the Labour Party - that's just laughable. It was New Labour that won 3 massive majorities on the trot.
When will they wake up? We need an opposition!
21 April 2017, 01:36 PM
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In recent history, both Concervatives and New Labour have pretty much occupied the centre ground, so the Lib Dems have not really had a look in.
Now Conservatives have taken a lunge to the right to head off UKIP and Labour under Corbyn have gone back to their grass roots lefty politics, there is now a gaping hole in the middle which the Lib Dems could capitalise on!
Its fair to say most people are politically centrist, maybe leaning slightly to the left or right, but certainly not extreme left or right. At the moment and taking Brexit out of the argument, the Lib Dems are currently the party that best represent the majority of people in the UK.
The problem is, since the early 1920's there has only been Tory or Labour in power so people have become accustomed to voting for one or the other in what has almost become a two party system. Part of the problem is the press generally only talks about Tory or Labour and everyone else is forgotten!
Now Conservatives have taken a lunge to the right to head off UKIP and Labour under Corbyn have gone back to their grass roots lefty politics, there is now a gaping hole in the middle which the Lib Dems could capitalise on!
Its fair to say most people are politically centrist, maybe leaning slightly to the left or right, but certainly not extreme left or right. At the moment and taking Brexit out of the argument, the Lib Dems are currently the party that best represent the majority of people in the UK.
The problem is, since the early 1920's there has only been Tory or Labour in power so people have become accustomed to voting for one or the other in what has almost become a two party system. Part of the problem is the press generally only talks about Tory or Labour and everyone else is forgotten!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...Q&ocid=UE07DHP
There is no way Lib Dems are going to win the majority. Labour, under Corbyn, will never ask for Brexit to reverse, and The Tory party is deffo sticking for Brexit. So, that's it. Nothing can, or will block Brexit. General Election doesn't affect Brexit. That's the way it looks, anyway.
Regarding the press not talking about anything else but Tory or Labour, I think if the Lib Dems did something spectacular, then they would be in the news. Even the loser UKIP gets more coverage than them.
21 April 2017, 01:38 PM
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Yes, even when the Brussels chief says that:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...Q&ocid=UE07DHP
There is no way Lib Dems are going to win the majority. Labour, under Corbyn, will never ask for Brexit to reverse, and The Tory party is deffo sticking for Brexit. So, that's it. Nothing can, or will block Brexit. General Election doesn't affect Brexit. That's the way it looks, anyway.
Regarding the press not talking about anything else but Tory or Labour, I think if the Lib Dems did something spectacular, then they would be in the news. Even the loser UKIP gets more coverage than them.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...Q&ocid=UE07DHP
There is no way Lib Dems are going to win the majority. Labour, under Corbyn, will never ask for Brexit to reverse, and The Tory party is deffo sticking for Brexit. So, that's it. Nothing can, or will block Brexit. General Election doesn't affect Brexit. That's the way it looks, anyway.
Regarding the press not talking about anything else but Tory or Labour, I think if the Lib Dems did something spectacular, then they would be in the news. Even the loser UKIP gets more coverage than them.
21 April 2017, 01:54 PM
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21 April 2017, 02:32 PM
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Reality is i think so. Who is the current lib dem leader? i don't even have a clue. That said im not even sure who the Ukip leader is, or is it farage again? he's the one that is always in the media even after he stepped down.
21 April 2017, 02:33 PM
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We have one chance to elect a politician who is honest, doesn't take bribes, won't bow to the corporations, a man of Clement Atlee stature (also unelectable but he smashed Winston Churchill) and we are letting the billionaire (who live in tax havens) controlled media and Israeli lobby tell us who to vote for.
Does such a politician exist ???
21 April 2017, 09:20 PM
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Like I said earlier, I'm looking forward to seeing those clowns from Momentum after the election.
I don't think even Corbyn himself thinks he's up to the job.
As for New Labour ruining the Labour Party - that's just laughable. It was New Labour that won 3 massive majorities on the trot.
When will they wake up? We need an opposition!
I don't think even Corbyn himself thinks he's up to the job.
As for New Labour ruining the Labour Party - that's just laughable. It was New Labour that won 3 massive majorities on the trot.
When will they wake up? We need an opposition!
How those tables have turned LOL.
21 April 2017, 11:28 PM
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There is no real majority in the country for right or left and hasn't been for 30 years.