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Old 01 January 2018, 10:56 AM   #2371  
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So those Rustbelt states - how are they measuring up given theyre being protected from real competition

Afaik you can work in what ever state you wish with a green card ?

And why are the US EU and nearly everywhere else doing better than UK presently
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Old 01 January 2018, 11:24 AM   #2372  
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So those Rustbelt states - how are they measuring up given theyre being protected from real competition

Afaik you can work in what ever state you wish with a green card ?

And why are the US EU and nearly everywhere else doing better than UK presently
Not so sure that they are in real terms.... it's just financial market hype/manipulation of currency values which is basically racketeering... only have to look at the value of the Croatian Kuna against the Euro or Pound to see that.... it should be more like 20/30 to one than 7.5 / 8.5 respectively because they make and trade next to sweet fa here... few guns and tourism, other biggest industry is state administration which generates nothing and the pension bill here is huge... then factor in state corruption and the massive black economy due to ridiculous taxes and admin / red tape charges and they're basically bankrupt.

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Old 01 January 2018, 11:31 AM   #2373  
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Lots of individual countries around the world on the brink !
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Old 01 January 2018, 11:47 AM   #2374  
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So those Rustbelt states - how are they measuring up given theyre being protected from real competition

Afaik you can work in what ever state you wish with a green card ?

And why are the US EU and nearly everywhere else doing better than UK presently
They're not, its globalisation, multi nationals driving production costs down by moving around the world.

Work to live, not live to work. Everything doesn't have to be about GDP.
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Old 01 January 2018, 12:17 PM   #2375  
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trump might be a d1ck but he has the right idea about big corp's tax them less but make them pay more in wages, several have allready increased thier min wage to 15dollars per hour on the back of his promise to do so, look it up if you don't believe me. all goverments should grow a pair and do the same, therefore stopping economic migration and massive problems to infastructues that tax payers have to cover
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Old 01 January 2018, 12:32 PM   #2376  
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Theres always been economic migration - from dawn of time
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Old 01 January 2018, 12:48 PM   #2377  
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How has trump raised the minimum wage ?


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/o...imum-wage.html



look at the desparity between member states


- youd have half mind to become econmic migrant wouldnt you

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Old 01 January 2018, 01:08 PM   #2378  
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how about something more up to date instead of something from 2009
https://slate.com/business/2017/12/a...ker-wages.html
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Old 01 January 2018, 01:10 PM   #2379  
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Lots of individual countries around the world on the brink !
Croatia is only out flanked by Spain and Greece.
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Old 01 January 2018, 01:19 PM   #2380  
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So basically , he hasnt !


mine was from a year ago
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Old 01 January 2018, 08:36 PM   #2381  
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I'm all for discussing brexit, however the way certain people believe their opinion matters most so they shout, scream above others to ensure they get their point across makes it difficult to have a meaningful conversation.
Perhaps the biggest cause for concern this country has is less to do with Europe and more to do with the attitudes being displayed in this thread.
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Old 09 January 2018, 09:42 PM   #2382  
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the remoaners are gonna love this lmao this is class
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Old 09 January 2018, 10:04 PM   #2383  
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Perhaps the biggest cause for concern this country has is less to do with Europe and more to do with the attitudes being displayed in this thread.
Imagine working in the EU Parliment with Farage. If I was working there I’d encourage Brexit to get his attitude out of the room.
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Old 09 January 2018, 11:22 PM   #2384  
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Old 10 January 2018, 07:37 AM   #2385  
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Old 11 January 2018, 02:17 PM   #2386  
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If he does this, it may well backfire on him. Just ask Theresa May about being over confident.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42649214
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Old 12 January 2018, 01:15 PM   #2388  
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^^^ I'm sorry, but he does come across as callous ...
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Old 12 January 2018, 03:55 PM   #2389  
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Doesn't make him wrong, even if it is callous (which I disagree with). It's no coincidence that the voting demographic of Leave was older, and that current POTUS, who isolationsist, is also an old man. They are out of touch with how the world is going, they are dinosaurs, the sooner their ideas from days of yore are gone, the better.

As the Hitler Youth used to say "tomorrow belongs to me" in a somewhat ironic twist
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Old 12 January 2018, 07:27 PM   #2390  
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the benefits of leaving explained by a prof of economics not sum numpty mp who don't understand the answers to questions he asks 20 min in he drops the bombshell
you remoaners need to watch this and actually LISTEN drop in prices from eu prices to world prices of 8% from day one, and no more people with vested intrests controling our country
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Old 12 January 2018, 09:35 PM   #2391  
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Wow, a euroscpetic giving his professional opinion as to why we’d be better off outside the EU... Who’d have thought it. What makes that any more noteworthy than the pro EU experts who’s professional opinions we were told were worthless “because project fear”?

As for no more vested interests running the country, you can’t really be that naive surely. You’re always going to get that where ever we’re governed from.

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Old 12 January 2018, 10:20 PM   #2392  
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Wow, a euroscpetic giving his professional opinion as to why we’d be better off outside the EU... Who’d have thought it. What makes that any more noteworthy than the pro EU experts who’s professional opinions we were told were worthless “because project fear”?

As for no more vested interests running the country, you can’t really be that naive surely. You’re always going to get that where ever we’re governed from.
the difference is the pro eu experts are merely expressing opinions he and the university did proper research and proved their point watch the whole thing from about 15 mins onward he explains how the eu costs us 20% on everything we buy from them, the eu protects the countries from the wto prices which are more competetive, watch the tate n lyle documentury on how much more sugar beet costs from the eu if you don't believe things are more expencive from the eu vs wto
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the difference is the pro eu experts are merely expressing opinions he and the university did proper research and proved their point watch the whole thing from about 15 mins onward he explains how the eu costs us 20% on everything we buy from them, the eu protects the countries from the wto prices which are more competetive, watch the tate n lyle documentury on how much more sugar beet costs from the eu if you don't believe things are more expencive from the eu vs wto
I fear the immediate impact is going to be further devaluation, high inflation and Jeremy Corbyn as PM!
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Old 12 January 2018, 11:00 PM   #2394  
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Bring back good old Imperial Preference

It's what those coffin dodger brexiters voted for
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I fear the immediate impact is going to be further devaluation, high inflation and Jeremy Corbyn as PM!
well if they devalue the pound it will make our exports cheeper making us more competetive as a country which should cancel out any trade taxs
high inflation won't happen the boe can't afford it as it will stifle economic growth
and much as i hate labour for their lefty views the tories managed to double our national debt in just 5 years, it took labour 13 years to do the same
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well if they devalue the pound it will make our exports cheeper making us more competetive as a country which should cancel out any trade taxs
high inflation won't happen the boe can't afford it as it will stifle economic growth
and much as i hate labour for their lefty views the tories managed to double our national debt in just 5 years, it took labour 13 years to do the same
Higher inflation is the inevitable consequence of a weaker currency. Nothing the BOE can do except raise interest rates.
When inflation rises faster than wages people get poorer.
Corbyn will be a disaster.
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Higher inflation is the inevitable consequence of a weaker currency. Nothing the BOE can do except raise interest rates.
When inflation rises faster than wages people get poorer.
Corbyn will be a disaster.
how long do you estimate it will take the rise in inflation to overtake the 20% drop in the cost of living due to leaving then ?
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how long do you estimate it will take the rise in inflation to overtake the 20% drop in the cost of living due to leaving then ?
There's not going to be a drop in the cost of living.

There scenarios that businesses that I know are working with are that people will inevitably have less money in their pockets. That's not an extreme forecast, that's the broad consensus.
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There's not going to be a drop in the cost of living.

There scenarios that businesses that I know are working with are that people will inevitably have less money in their pockets. That's not an extreme forecast, that's the broad consensus.
the man prooved through research almost everything cost us 20% more by being in so how can you say things won't be cheeper, sugar is cheeper on wto
wheat is cheeper on wto,even cosworth car parts are cheeper when bought from usa after we have sent them there and re importing them back and payed the import tax, but joking aside take away the 20% tax from usa imports and they are even cheeper
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the man prooved through research almost everything cost us 20% more by being in so how can you say things won't be cheeper, sugar is cheeper on wto
wheat is cheeper on wto,even cosworth car parts are cheeper when bought from usa after we have sent them there and re importing them back and payed the import tax, but joking aside take away the 20% tax from usa imports and they are even cheeper
I don't know who this guy is, but his 'proof' seems to be being ignored even by Brexiteers.

You say this is 'proof', I think you need to set the bar a bit higher when using that word. It certainly is not proof (how could it be?). You should probably also dig a bit deeper a find out what a whole bunch of other economists think of this groups research and methodology.

As Ive already said, Minfords research paints a picture that is completely opposite to what UK businesses are gearing up for.

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