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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 01:05 PM
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i doubt he will, it took 5 court cases to decide so was obviously a very very grey area, it might cost the lawyers that advised him, but i doubt that either tbh

If parliment is recalled then he could now kick it out again without legal challenge, so i doubt it will get recalled.
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 01:07 PM
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ah so bercow has said it will, is that a given then?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
only way he was gonna go was in a GE, and since the wackos over at labour wouldn't called one then things will just carry on
I wouldn't count your chickens; labour have spoilt the Cummings plan so perhaps not so wacko?

I'm no labour supporter BTW; Corbyn is an ***...
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ah apparently no one needs to it just starts again
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 01:09 PM
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I wouldn't count your chickens; labour have spoilt the Cummings plan so perhaps not so wacko?

I'm no labour supporter BTW; Corbyn is an ***...
im only going on whats coming out of their party conference.

32 hour working week, ban meat etc etc hahahahaha
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
i doubt he will, it took 5 court cases to decide so was obviously a very very grey area, it might cost the lawyers that advised him, but i doubt that either tbh

If parliment is recalled then he could now kick it out again without legal challenge, so i doubt it will get recalled.
In the Supreme Court hearing, the govt's own QC said that Parliament could have passed primary legislation to prevent the prorogation but had declined to do, but that could backfire on them as if Parliament get's it's house in order, it can pass legislation to prevent Boris doing this. The govt would have to through the process of prorogation, but depending on how long that can take, Parliament could legislate against him before, they did push through the no deal/extension legislation in 4 days.
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In the Supreme Court hearing, the govt's own QC said that Parliament could have passed primary legislation to prevent the prorogation but had declined to do, but that could backfire on them as if Parliament get's it's house in order, it can pass legislation to prevent Boris doing this. The govt would have to through the process of prorogation, but depending on how long that can take, Parliament could legislate against him before, they did push through the no deal/extension legislation in 4 days.
so short version the sheet show goes on lol
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
im only going on whats coming out of their party conference.

32 hour working week, ban meat etc etc hahahahaha
32 hour week is achievable, it entirely depends on their approach.

Currently people eat too much meat and it has a variety of consequences both to health of individuals and globally in the form of climate change...whilst meat may not be banned immediately a new approach is needed.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
ah apparently no one needs to it just starts again
Prorogation was unlawful, so in effect Parliament was only suspended. So yes, as you say, it just starts again when the Speaker says so (11:30 tomorrow).
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32 hour week is achievable, it entirely depends on their approach.

Currently people eat too much meat and it has a variety of consequences both to health of individuals and globally in the form of climate change...whilst meat may not be banned immediately a new approach is needed.
would raise the price of everything. so people would work longer hours. they tried it and found it didnt work iirc
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32 hour week is achievable, it entirely depends on their approach.
If laws are passed in this country that say I only have to work 32 hours but get paid the same, I give it 2 years before our UK offices are all but closed. It makes a great headline, and hey, who wouldn't want to work 32 hours instead of 38-40+ for the same pay, but it ain't going to happen - or what am I missing?
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
would raise the price of everything. so people would work longer hours. they tried it and found it didnt work iirc
not sure why it would raise prices...and not sure when it was tried before?
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
If laws are passed in this country that say I only have to work 32 hours but get paid the same, I give it 2 years before our UK offices are all but closed. It makes a great headline, and hey, who wouldn't want to work 32 hours instead of 38-40+ for the same pay, but it ain't going to happen - or what am I missing?
Most industries are adopting smart working because they know with pragmatic management looking at outputs rather than presenteeism, employees are happier so productivity improves...works at 35 hours for the French and has done for almost 20 years iirc.
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Wasn't it set out as a goal, long term proposal

No less absurd than the immediate free trade deal criminal Boris is apparently setting up now wth trump

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Originally Posted by trails
Most industries are adopting smart working because they know with pragmatic management looking at outputs rather than presenteeism, employees are happier so productivity improves...works at 35 hours for the French and has done for almost 20 years iirc.
There are a number of studies that put the optimal working week at around 30-33 hours in terms of productivity. Obviously there will be variations between sectors and individuals, but a happier employee is generally a more productive employee. Shorter working hours with more free time will make people happier.

On a side note, I used to work for a company that had a four day week with 9:15 days (37h week). The days were pretty long, but having the Friday off every week and a three day weekend made up for it and it certainly motivated me more. I now work a 35 hour week with flexy time and get 30 days holiday plus around 10 bank holidays and unlimited flexy days per year, which is also a pretty sweet deal! I've already had 32 days off this year and still have 11 days holiday and 4 bank holidays left before the end of the year, oh and 180h flexy time which equates to 25.7 days holiday
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
There are a number of studies that put the optimal working week at around 30-33 hours in terms of productivity. Obviously there will be variations between sectors and individuals, but a happier employee is generally a more productive employee. Shorter working hours with more free time will make people happier.

On a side note, I used to work for a company that had a four day week with 9:15 days (37h week). The days were pretty long, but having the Friday off every week and a three day weekend made up for it and it certainly motivated me more. I now work a 35 hour week with flexy time and get 30 days holiday plus around 10 bank holidays and unlimited flexy days per year, which is also a pretty sweet deal! I've already had 32 days off this year and still have 11 days holiday and 4 bank holidays left before the end of the year, oh and 180h flexy time which equates to 25.7 days holiday
Very nice...it's the way forward for sure. I'm a smart working champion at my place of work and have found those that are most resistant typically do the least
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Originally Posted by dpb
Wasn't it set out as a goal, long term proposal

No less absurd than the immediate free trade deal criminal Boris is apparently setting up now wth trump
One of these objectives stands a chance of being implemented successfully...the other is Santa
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Old Sep 24, 2019 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by trails
Most industries are adopting smart working because they know with pragmatic management looking at outputs rather than presenteeism, employees are happier so productivity improves...works at 35 hours for the French and has done for almost 20 years iirc.
Yeah, I get that, and you shouldn't measure an employees performance by how many hours they put on the clock, but a lot of companies do and will continue to do so. It's a big ship to turn around, so I'd still stand by my original comment that where possible, companies will up sticks and leave the UK if a 'big bang' 32 hour week for the same money is introduced - especially by a government that would hate people making money in the first place.
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Yeah, I get that, and you shouldn't measure an employees performance by how many hours they put on the clock, but a lot of companies do and will continue to do so. It's a big ship to turn around, so I'd still stand by my original comment that where possible, companies will up sticks and leave the UK if a 'big bang' 32 hour week for the same money is introduced - especially by a government that would hate people making money in the first place.
it's labour trying to buy votes, again. that all they have been doing past year.
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Yeah, I get that, and you shouldn't measure an employees performance by how many hours they put on the clock, but a lot of companies do and will continue to do so. It's a big ship to turn around, so I'd still stand by my original comment that where possible, companies will up sticks and leave the UK if a 'big bang' 32 hour week for the same money is introduced - especially by a government that would hate people making money in the first place.
Any change of that magnitude would have to be managed sensitively and transparently to bring the population along the same journey...I guess you could apply that approach to all most anything with the right planning
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
it's labour trying to buy votes, again. that all they have been doing past year.
Isn’t that what they all do...it’s called campaigning
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Isn’t that what they all do...it’s called campaigning
yeah but theres reasonable/not too far a stretch and down right daft, which labour has wandered right into.

would you really want corbyn in power?
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Over Rees Mogg?

Everytime
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
yeah but theres reasonable/not too far a stretch and down right daft, which labour has wandered right into.

would you really want corbyn in power?
Only from your perspective...some people think Tory policy is unreasonable...

Hell no...but Boris is also demonstrably a terrible prospect. Therein lies the underlying issue
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Only from your perspective...some people think Tory policy is unreasonable...

Hell no...but Boris is also demonstrably a terrible prospect. Therein lies the underlying issue
While I think he can be a bit of a baffon, I dont think his policies are anywhere near as bad a labour. Take brexit for example. He has set a date to leave and said he prefers a deal, however of the deal is bad he wont accept it and wont carry on extending it just for the sake of it.

Right now clarity of action is what's needed
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
While I think he can be a bit of a baffon, I dont think his policies are anywhere near as bad a labour. Take brexit for example. He has set a date to leave and said he prefers a deal, however of the deal is bad he wont accept it and wont carry on extending it just for the sake of it.

Right now clarity of action is what's needed
Dude it's all bluster...he does not give a crap about Brexit or leaving, he just wants to be in charge...do you really think Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a hero of the common man

I have no idea what his policies are, all I know is he likes ******** blond birds with big ****!

What clarity of action are you after Tidg?
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all I know is he likes ******** blond birds with big ****!
Who doesn't ;-)
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Dude it's all bluster...he does not give a crap about Brexit or leaving, he just wants to be in charge...do you really think Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a hero of the common man

I have no idea what his policies are, all I know is he likes ******** blond birds with big ****!

What clarity of action are you after Tidg?
Roght now the single biggest thing is brexit, we have a date of 31st, we should stick to it.

The other parties have no Intention , lib dems at least have the ***** to say they will flat out cancel, labour are swinging in the wind and are going g to go the way of what they think will get them elected.

That's why I despise corbyn and labour, they chop and change to try to get the most votes or go with what twitter tells them is popular.

If they put up a proper opposition with decent/workable policies even I would consider voting for them. But they dont and Corbyn is the worst of them all, it's why I despise him.
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Roght now the single biggest thing is brexit, we have a date of 31st, we should stick to it.

The other parties have no Intention , lib dems at least have the ***** to say they will flat out cancel, labour are swinging in the wind and are going g to go the way of what they think will get them elected.

That's why I despise corbyn and labour, they chop and change to try to get the most votes or go with what twitter tells them is popular.

If they put up a proper opposition with decent/workable policies even I would consider voting for them. But they dont and Corbyn is the worst of them all, it's why I despise him.
In fairness, the whole Brexit policy of the David Cameron and the Conservative was because they were chasing votes from UKIP supporters! Boris has been electioneering since his first day as PM!

But I agree, at a time when we need a stong and consistent opposition, we've got far left loony! Oh to have Blair back right now!

Sticking to the 31st date is all very good, everyone wants Brexit to be over. The question is what should we do if they have not agreed a deal before then! Nobody voted for no deal and there is very little public or political support for it. Maybe if we can't leave with a deal on the 31st we should remain!
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Well the vote was to leave, not leave with a deal even if that is a better option. It's pretty obvious the eu wont change and the only deal has been rejected, so only really leave with no deal option.
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