So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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The nhs is in a mess because of miss management not lack of staff.
When the nhs will pay agency staff nesrly 3 times the wage of a nurse there is no incentive for nurses.
They would be better increasing tbe wage of a nurse, they would have more peopl apply, less useless agency staff.
The it sides just as bad, an it manager openly admitted to me they over spent on a 3m budget by spending 7m
Its this poor management thats hurting the nhs. So much waste.
Nurses do such a hard job and there pushed so much .the nhs carries so much deadwood its untrue .
When the nhs will pay agency staff nesrly 3 times the wage of a nurse there is no incentive for nurses.
They would be better increasing tbe wage of a nurse, they would have more peopl apply, less useless agency staff.
The it sides just as bad, an it manager openly admitted to me they over spent on a 3m budget by spending 7m
Its this poor management thats hurting the nhs. So much waste.
Nurses do such a hard job and there pushed so much .the nhs carries so much deadwood its untrue .
together with offing older people
I dont think people want it to collapse. But if the uk were to come out then it puts massive strain on the other key contributors.
People are lead by the media and things shown told to us a small minority will do their reseach and think for themselves,
Since the leave vote media has been doom and gloom.
The government doesnt do itself any favours in the way they act, it feels so cloak n dagger.
People respond to truth .
People are lead by the media and things shown told to us a small minority will do their reseach and think for themselves,
Since the leave vote media has been doom and gloom.
The government doesnt do itself any favours in the way they act, it feels so cloak n dagger.
People respond to truth .
Yeah get to like 66 then push um off a cliff
You jest but we do have an aging population thata being kept alive with advances in medicine that would of simply died many moons ago. Like the saying died of old age.
You jest but we do have an aging population thata being kept alive with advances in medicine that would of simply died many moons ago. Like the saying died of old age.
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Who's she? 
Joking apart, whilst the NHS may well be mismanaged (and I too have experience of this as my wife works there), it faces a real shortage of healthcare staff. No amount of efficiencies can solve that, they simply cannot get the nurses, GPs etc they need. They have the money, they cannot get them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45485814
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4831
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nk-tanks-warn/
https://nhsfunding.info/symptoms/10-...aff-shortages/
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-staff-by-2030
Agency staff is always a contentious issue. They are expensive, but quite often cheaper than normal staff, as long as they are not there permanently. If they push up the wages of normal staff, the cost is huge, plus all their pensions, holiday pay, you name it. I'm not necessarily defending it, but that's just how it is.
Sadly there is waste and dead wood in all large organisations, private and public, it's not an easy thing to fix.
But, essentially, the NHS needs a shed load of people, and we cannot supply them.
Joking apart, whilst the NHS may well be mismanaged (and I too have experience of this as my wife works there), it faces a real shortage of healthcare staff. No amount of efficiencies can solve that, they simply cannot get the nurses, GPs etc they need. They have the money, they cannot get them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45485814
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4831
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nk-tanks-warn/
https://nhsfunding.info/symptoms/10-...aff-shortages/
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-staff-by-2030
When the nhs will pay agency staff nesrly 3 times the wage of a nurse there is no incentive for nurses.
They would be better increasing tbe wage of a nurse, they would have more peopl apply, less useless agency staff.
The it sides just as bad, an it manager openly admitted to me they over spent on a 3m budget by spending 7m
Its this poor management thats hurting the nhs. So much waste.
Nurses do such a hard job and there pushed so much .the nhs carries so much deadwood its untrue .
They would be better increasing tbe wage of a nurse, they would have more peopl apply, less useless agency staff.
The it sides just as bad, an it manager openly admitted to me they over spent on a 3m budget by spending 7m
Its this poor management thats hurting the nhs. So much waste.
Nurses do such a hard job and there pushed so much .the nhs carries so much deadwood its untrue .
Sadly there is waste and dead wood in all large organisations, private and public, it's not an easy thing to fix.
But, essentially, the NHS needs a shed load of people, and we cannot supply them.
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And you do know that the immigrant population pay for the care of the old, but generally don't stay here until they are old? That massive injection of income will be lost, so we will have a smaller working population to support a larger older population!
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I dont think people want it to collapse. But if the uk were to come out then it puts massive strain on the other key contributors.
People are lead by the media and things shown told to us a small minority will do their reseach and think for themselves,
Since the leave vote media has been doom and gloom.
The government doesnt do itself any favours in the way they act, it feels so cloak n dagger.
People respond to truth .
People are lead by the media and things shown told to us a small minority will do their reseach and think for themselves,
Since the leave vote media has been doom and gloom.
The government doesnt do itself any favours in the way they act, it feels so cloak n dagger.
People respond to truth .
Newsflash!!! Boris Johnson, Jacob Reece Mogg, Nigel Farage ARE THE ELITE!
And yes, it is probably a consipricy, by those elite! Nigel Farage was an investment banker before he entered politics. Jacob Reece Mogg runs an investment fund - he has so much certainty in Brexit that he moved his fund from London to Dublin to protect it from the Brexit disaster. All those Brexiteers are heavily involved in speculative investment and they make the most money during market instability. Brexit has created a prolonged period of instability in the financial markets which will be making those guys a serious amount of money. Every time the markets start to settle, they chirp up again with some Brexit nonsense and create more instability and make even more money. What they are doing is essentially market manipulation which as business owners or bankers would be highly illegal, but as politicians is perfectly ok.
Just watch the financial markets at the moment while also watching the Brexit news, there is virtually a daily switch between the stock market gaining and currencies falling or currencies gaining and the stock market falling. The big investors are just moving the money between stocks and currencies and its really quite predictable. For the last two years I've doubled my money swapping the same cash between £ and € while watching the Brexit debates on the parliament channel. Watch the £ creap up during the debate, usually with big jumps after ammendments are accepted and transfer to € when they go in for the final vote. The next morning or at latest a couple of days later and transfer back to £ and each time you're a little bit richer.
I doubt that the likes of Reece-Mogg and Farage care one bit about whether we actually leave the EU or not, they only care about the instability that the whole debate creates and that is what is making them rich(er). If there is a conspiricy from the elites, its not to defy the will of the people to remain in the EU, its not even to leave the EU, its to create the market instability that makes them super-rich!
In fairness, its also making me better off, but I have more of a concience and put what's best for the country above my own fortunes!
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Dont call me rasict you have no clue about me, or my up bringing.
Youre right tho i dont care whos in charge. None of them are any good .
Just because i dont agree you doesnt make you better . They should never of put the vote to the public. They didnt think they would loose.
Youre right tho i dont care whos in charge. None of them are any good .
Just because i dont agree you doesnt make you better . They should never of put the vote to the public. They didnt think they would loose.
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Really , what is it, besides a launatic anyway, that drives an Outer to make such threats ?
what do they know that the rest of us dont , about the evil eu cabal ( presumbaly)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8856961.html
what do they know that the rest of us dont , about the evil eu cabal ( presumbaly)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8856961.html
It is. Its a mess, its split the country, its made us a laughing stock, prob damaged many businesses relationships.
The vote was too black and white, the government havent delivered on the outcome too, which makes people even more angry.
Im personally sick of it now, its taken over everything,
The vote was too black and white, the government havent delivered on the outcome too, which makes people even more angry.
Im personally sick of it now, its taken over everything,
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The only slighlty amusing and rather sad aspect is the quantity of interviewees who've been duped by the these ex 'ankers into believing that Great Britian is going to resurrect the empire , as far im concerned thats pure cringe worthy
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It is. Its a mess, its split the country, its made us a laughing stock, prob damaged many businesses relationships.
The vote was too black and white, the government havent delivered on the outcome too, which makes people even more angry.
Im personally sick of it now, its taken over everything,
The vote was too black and white, the government havent delivered on the outcome too, which makes people even more angry.
Im personally sick of it now, its taken over everything,
My daughter, his eldest granddaughter, is currently studying at Seville university on an EU funded Erasmus scheme - a right she has as an EU citizen - he voted to deny her that right - what a fvcking cvnt - so yes to me its personal, I will never ever forgive my father for ****ing up the life chances of his grand children
my eldest daughter is exercising her right to study in Seville , it is a right, (a right that your children have too) not a gift at the largess of Rees Mogg et al but a right - and he voted to deny her that right (my gorgeous eldest daughter). I will never forgive him and I will never forgive my brothers who also voted to deny my children (their nieces and nephews) their rights either
Brexit has devastated my family - I can't forgive my younger brother(s) (he has a very well paid job in the city) who voted Brexit to "shake it up a bit" - ****ing up his nieces and nephew's opportunities
Brexit has no winners, only losers
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Many people thought it can't get any worse so try something different and voted to leave and others just followed the brexit trend without knowing anything about it. And i bet they still don't know anything about it.
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it has split my family into bits, my father died last year, I will never forgive him for voting to deny my five children (his grand children ) rights they have as EU citizens
My daughter, his eldest granddaughter, is currently studying at Seville university on an EU funded Erasmus scheme - a right she has as an EU citizen - he voted to deny her that right - what a fvcking cvnt - so yes to me its personal, I will never ever forgive my father for ****ing up the life chances of his grand children
my eldest daughter is exercising her right to study in Seville , it is a right, (a right that your children have too) not a gift at the largess of Rees Mogg et al but a right - and he voted to deny her that right (my gorgeous eldest daughter). I will never forgive him and I will never forgive my brothers who also voted to deny my children (their nieces and nephews) their rights either
Brexit has devastated my family - I can't forgive my younger brother(s) (he has a very well paid job in the city) who voted Brexit to "shake it up a bit" - ****ing up his nieces and nephew's opportunities
Brexit has no winners, only losers
My daughter, his eldest granddaughter, is currently studying at Seville university on an EU funded Erasmus scheme - a right she has as an EU citizen - he voted to deny her that right - what a fvcking cvnt - so yes to me its personal, I will never ever forgive my father for ****ing up the life chances of his grand children
my eldest daughter is exercising her right to study in Seville , it is a right, (a right that your children have too) not a gift at the largess of Rees Mogg et al but a right - and he voted to deny her that right (my gorgeous eldest daughter). I will never forgive him and I will never forgive my brothers who also voted to deny my children (their nieces and nephews) their rights either
Brexit has devastated my family - I can't forgive my younger brother(s) (he has a very well paid job in the city) who voted Brexit to "shake it up a bit" - ****ing up his nieces and nephew's opportunities
Brexit has no winners, only losers
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Rather below the belt that 
If anything whilst it appears to shows a deep rooted problem with respect and understanding of each other for their own opinion no matter how diverse, that given my experiences it is likely to have existed already before Brexit. And if it wasn’t Brexit, something else would have blown it all apart.
So we’re all heading for yet another massive recession mixed up with even more red tape and restrictive policies to satisfy whatever group or treaty that has been or will be signed. We will have hardship, its not the first time that’s happened and it won’t be the last.
Life will go on, regardless of how sh*t it may become. Why waste what precious time making bitter enemies of friends and family? I’m only saying this because I’ve lived through issues that tore my family apart during the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s that now what’s left of our family is far more important than a political opinion. To be honest opinion on Brexit is pales into insignificance.
The TV/radio gets turned off/over if it ever crops up, we’re only mutually interested when its either finished with or there is an election (more likely than another referendum).
If anything whilst it appears to shows a deep rooted problem with respect and understanding of each other for their own opinion no matter how diverse, that given my experiences it is likely to have existed already before Brexit. And if it wasn’t Brexit, something else would have blown it all apart.So we’re all heading for yet another massive recession mixed up with even more red tape and restrictive policies to satisfy whatever group or treaty that has been or will be signed. We will have hardship, its not the first time that’s happened and it won’t be the last.
Life will go on, regardless of how sh*t it may become. Why waste what precious time making bitter enemies of friends and family? I’m only saying this because I’ve lived through issues that tore my family apart during the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s that now what’s left of our family is far more important than a political opinion. To be honest opinion on Brexit is pales into insignificance.
The TV/radio gets turned off/over if it ever crops up, we’re only mutually interested when its either finished with or there is an election (more likely than another referendum).
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Yes it'll only be the rich ( like those ones in the brexit party) the gifted and workers from ex colonies who will study abroad
We better Actually come up with an apology for Amritsar now
We better Actually come up with an apology for Amritsar now
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It's all just a bit of a larf this brexit stuff
See how many punters get sucked in
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...461.html%3famp
See how many punters get sucked in
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...461.html%3famp
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It's all just a bit of a larf this brexit stuff
See how many punters get sucked in
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...461.html%3famp
See how many punters get sucked in
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...461.html%3famp
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That pesky EU protecting workers rights again 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47947220
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47936682
What we really need is more zero hours contracts with no workers rights whatsoever and corporate bosses should be protected from their illegal activities! The sooner we can leave the EU and improve things for rich corporate bosses at the expense of the workers the better!
Another interesting and honest read from a Farage supporter who started to question the over simplicity in the Brexit campaign:
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/04/16/f...y-boss-busted/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47947220
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47936682
What we really need is more zero hours contracts with no workers rights whatsoever and corporate bosses should be protected from their illegal activities! The sooner we can leave the EU and improve things for rich corporate bosses at the expense of the workers the better!
Another interesting and honest read from a Farage supporter who started to question the over simplicity in the Brexit campaign:
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/04/16/f...y-boss-busted/
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This Barry Lewis is breaking the law isnt he ?
and really ,who cares who's head the tory party - it doesnt make any difference
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/to...it-919081.html
and really ,who cares who's head the tory party - it doesnt make any difference
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/to...it-919081.html