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And therein lies the issue, and unfortunately, proof again that the person we should be blaming here is David Cameron (or whoever it was pulling his strings) for going ahead and holding the referendum to start with. He (or they) should have known all along that it was far too subtle and complex an issue to be left to every Tom, Dick or Harriett in the country to decide on. And to head off the predictable retorts from the Brexiters (or the select subset of them who'll be able to read and understand what I'm currently typing ), I wouldn't any more want some random unqualified geezer from down the pub to operate on my appendix or synchronize the carburetors on my Countach than I would want him to make epoch-defining decisions on the future of the country. I prefer to leave such important and delicate matters to trained professionals.
Above is 100% correct. Cameron should never had held the referendum in the first place. The electorate had no idea of what an exit might mean. A simply appalling misjudgement by him. And now May is digging an even deeper hole.
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And therein lies the issue, and unfortunately, proof again that the person we should be blaming here is David Cameron (or whoever it was pulling his strings) for going ahead and holding the referendum to start with. He (or they) should have known all along that it was far too subtle and complex an issue to be left to every Tom, Dick or Harriett in the country to decide on. And to head off the predictable retorts from the Brexiters (or the select subset of them who'll be able to read and understand what I'm currently typing ), I wouldn't any more want some random unqualified geezer from down the pub to operate on my appendix or synchronize the carburetors on my Countach than I would want him to make epoch-defining decisions on the future of the country. I prefer to leave such important and delicate matters to trained professionals.
Above is 100% correct. Cameron should never had held the referendum in the first place. The electorate had no idea of what an exit might mean. A simply appalling misjudgement by him. And now May is digging an even deeper hole.
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So I said this a whhile back during one of various Brexit threads and was shouted down as an elitist arsehole...
And therein lies the issue, and unfortunately, proof again that the person we should be blaming here is David Cameron (or whoever it was pulling his strings) for going ahead and holding the referendum to start with. He (or they) should have known all along that it was far too subtle and complex an issue to be left to every Tom, Dick or Harriett in the country to decide on. And to head off the predictable retorts from the Brexiters (or the select subset of them who'll be able to read and understand what I'm currently typing ), I wouldn't any more want some random unqualified geezer from down the pub to operate on my appendix or synchronize the carburetors on my Countach than I would want him to make epoch-defining decisions on the future of the country. I prefer to leave such important and delicate matters to trained professionals.
Interesting suggestion that only dimwits voted Brexit while those with superior intellects voted remain. Here's a little list that perhaps indicates otherwise:
Pro Brexit
Bernie Ecclestone; Roger Daltrey; John Cleese; James Dyson; Keith Chegwin; Duncan Bannatyne; Julian Fellows; Theo Paphitis; Arthur Scargill; Katie Hopkins
Pro Remain
JK Rowling; Gary Lineker; Simon Cowell; Jeremy Clarkson; David Walliams; the Beckhams; Elton John; Bobby George; Steven Hawking; Bob Geldorf
Interesting suggestion that only dimwits voted Brexit while those with superior intellects voted remain. Here's a little list that perhaps indicates otherwise:
Pro Brexit
Bernie Ecclestone; Roger Daltrey; John Cleese; James Dyson; Keith Chegwin; Duncan Bannatyne; Julian Fellows; Theo Paphitis; Arthur Scargill; Katie Hopkins
Pro Remain
JK Rowling; Gary Lineker; Simon Cowell; Jeremy Clarkson; David Walliams; the Beckhams; Elton John; Bobby George; Steven Hawking; Bob Geldorf
Yep, halfwits and brainy people in both camps
I could point out the fallacy of your cherry picking, but I'll stick to this: none of them should have had the vote. Being an F1 impresario or writer of fine children's books in no way qualifies one to affect a decision as nuanced as in or out of the EU. As Hodgy said months ago, the referendum was brought to settle a Tory squabble and to consolidate power. It was outrageous and as a former Cameron supporter I'm saddened that he'll go down on the wrong side of history.
Interesting suggestion that only dimwits voted Brexit while those with superior intellects voted remain. Here's a little list that perhaps indicates otherwise:
Pro Brexit
Bernie Ecclestone; Roger Daltrey; John Cleese; James Dyson; Keith Chegwin; Duncan Bannatyne; Julian Fellows; Theo Paphitis; Arthur Scargill; Katie Hopkins
Pro Remain
JK Rowling; Gary Lineker; Simon Cowell; Jeremy Clarkson; David Walliams; the Beckhams; Elton John; Bobby George; Steven Hawking; Bob Geldorf
Yep, halfwits and brainy people in both camps
21 well known celebrities is hardly representative of the vote distribution! The article I posted above is far more conclusive in its data and clearly shows the overwhelming link between low education and voting Brexit as the largest factor influencing the vote!
Of course, in any statistics there are anomalies but you can't use the anomalies to deny the clear facts! I believe that's what Trump likes to call alternative facts!
I detest Tony Blair completely and it cringes me to watch the smarmy c***, but what he has to say in that speech is spot on IMHO! Regardless of you're opinions on Blair or Brexit, I would recommend listening to it in full and take in and consider what he's actually saying! It will give you a very good insight into what the politicians are currently playing at from someone who understands political games and no longer stands to benefit from them!
Agree; odious little **** that he is...but he is correct in this instance.
And therein lies the issue, and unfortunately, proof again that the person we should be blaming here is David Cameron (or whoever it was pulling his strings) for going ahead and holding the referendum to start with. He (or they) should have known all along that it was far too subtle and complex an issue to be left to every Tom, Dick or Harriett in the country to decide on. And to head off the predictable retorts from the Brexiters (or the select subset of them who'll be able to read and understand what I'm currently typing ), I wouldn't any more want some random unqualified geezer from down the pub to operate on my appendix or synchronize the carburetors on my Countach than I would want him to make epoch-defining decisions on the future of the country. I prefer to leave such important and delicate matters to trained professionals.
You know as well as I do that agreeing to the referendum was integral to Cameron becoming PM in the first place. Essentially he was forced into it, do you really believe he wanted it? And had he subsequently refused to follow through with it, how would that have worked out?
His biggest failure was the lame campaigning prior to the vote, they ultimately thought they would walk it and underestimated the ease with which the out camp stoked up the prejudice of the voters.
And here we are.
And Blair is still a ****** and I don't care about this 'play the ball, not the man' garbage. Get a new man if you've got something worth listening to.
But either way, the ship categorically has sailed whether it's still sitting in the port or not.
I detest Tony Blair completely and it cringes me to watch the smarmy c***, but what he has to say in that speech is spot on IMHO! Regardless of you're opinions on Blair or Brexit, I would recommend listening to it in full and take in and consider what he's actually saying! It will give you a very good insight into what the politicians are currently playing at from someone who understands political games and no longer stands to benefit from them!
'No longer stands to benefit from them'
Really? He'll need an oak casket before that becomes true, assuming he's actually in it.
Cornwall to receive just £6M per year development funding compared to the £60M they currently receive from the EU! That's a 90% cut in development funding! Although at least Cornwall voted for Brexit despite being one of the regions that benefited the most from EU funding, so I guess they're getting what they wanted! Its Scotland and Northern Ireland who I feel sorry for, they voted against Brexit and will also see similar cuts to regional development!
), I wouldn't any more want some random unqualified geezer from down the pub to operate on my appendix or synchronize the carburetors on my Countach than I would want him to make epoch-defining decisions on the future of the country. I prefer to leave such important and delicate matters to trained professionals. 
