Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_2.1.3.html

see section A - Rights and Obligations

For stays of over three months: the right of residence is subject to certain conditions. EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period.

 

Kind of irrelevant if you've decided any immigration is designed simply to line the pockets of the rich

and don't buy the notion of united Europe v rising China

 

yep, a post fact, post truth world


almost like the age of reason and the enlightenment never happened!!!!!

 

of course we plundered our way round the world to get to where we are now, offering the locals next to nothing in return - but presumably this is irrelevant too


I been hearing about the kind of benefits a Gambian associate collects from Belgian social security , whilst back in Gambia

makes us look incredibly miserly

 

No grants available, but under certain circumstances, you may be able to get an Advanced Learning Loan, which of course you have to pay back. There is no financial help available for getting a CPC. My son in law drives for a small family business haulier in the poorest county in the UK. He (shock, horror) is Dutch, and therefore an EU immigrant. He is highly experienced. He didn't take anyones job, he filled a desperately needed vacancy, because none of the local qualified drivers were willing to obey the tachograph rules, turn up for work on time, or to put in the 5 nights out per week, tramping the length and breadth of the UK. He is paid exactly the same as everyone else who drives for them, and could earn almost twice as much if he were to work in Holland. This is not hearsay, it's reality.

 

Well done to him, one in a thousand. Sadly not all are the same.
And I, too, have evidence of immigrants taking jobs from those already employed and working for less wages. Why do you think they often live ten or twelve to a house, and sleep in shifts?


And where do you think the poorest county is, out of interest?

 

think back to the 50's i remember my mum telling me about seeing men's boots on the doorstep in the morning, because 2 people shared and the night worker had just come home and left them on the doorstep for the day worker to wear

 

yep , now the blighters have moved on to sharing houses !

 

If they live ten or twelve to a house, how are immigrants contributing to the housing shortage? Sounds like they're doing their bit to help out..... And do they really go for a job, and ask to be paid half the going rate? Anyway, I thought they were here for the benefits......
The poorest county in the UK is Cornwall, although it depends on how you measure it, and who publishes the information. The poorest region is said to be West Wales, which is where my daughter and hubby live. Their county, Ceredigion, voted to remain in the EU by the way. One of the factors that makes Cornwall so hard for youngsters to get on, apart from the lack of jobs, is the high cost, and shortage, of housing, which is largely because of better-off people from other regions owning second homes. Both Cornwall and West Wales have very low levels of immigration. Put simply, the increased strain on health and education services, and the housing shortage, has nothing to do with the EU or immigration, and everything to do with government policy. Inequality in the UK is greater than anywhere else in Europe, and is getting worse. Blaming the EU for this is looking in the wrong direction.

 

Previous generations immigrants have gone for the biggest cities and now they've decency to spread out among the least populated counties like Lincolnshire

youd have thought the locals would be grateful for reviving such flagging rural economies , but apparently not

 

lol, the EU are now being blamed for UK employers paying sh1te wages

 

but this blame culture is nothing new it reminds me of this sketch

"so they rang the electricity board"

 

^^^ Aaah, amazing sketch. So funny.

"Prince Phillip exploded."

"Cy'riiiiiilll..."

 

So its clear, the EU is not to blame for all the problems, everything is the electricity boards fault!

 

Nope, that's the fault of greedy employers, Lying Labour for letting anyone in uncontrolled, and the EU for then forcing us to have the rest.

 

Why would the locals be glad and WHAT flagging economies?

The immigrants are now doing the jobs the local's kids did, so their kids are out of work.

Do you HONESTLY believe this sh!te about lazy, feckless UK youth? Was there REALLY a shortage of veg before the Eastern Europeans took over picking it?

 

Are they not still occupying a property that a British family could have?

Of course not, but that's what they are offered by greedy employers.

And many, many are. Trust me, if you walk down Scunthorpe High Street during a weekday, I defy you to hear English spoken. So THEY are all working, then? unless you reckon they are all on nights? LOL


"Poorest" isn't what you really meant. Look under deprived...and you'll find Humberside and the NE very close by. And both have plenty of immigrants, trust me.

 

Mus be nice to see a bit of culture in town

Theres stacks an stacks of boarded up housing stock Middlesboro etc , this is where they'll push refugees . Locals don't want .

 

Poor old Alzheimer, all those filthy, forked tongue, house pinching immigrants heading his way. My heart bleeds.

 

Ahhhh...all is now clear; I thought it was a Swedish disco group so could never understand the vitriol

 

More efficient use of space, I'd say Those chavvy Brits would want a 4 bed house for their illegitimate kids, who would go on to claim benefits like their parents before them.


It would be at least two generations before the immigrants were dragged down to UK levels of laziness.



Lots of businesses couldn't afford to operate without the cheap (and hard working, let's not forget that) immigrant labour, so they are stimulating the economy!




I bet many more are not. As for Scunthorpe, I doubt you'd hear much of what is recognisable English anyway, they're all inbreds.





So areas without immigrants are deprived, areas with immigrants are deprived. Mmmmm, I wonder what the common ground is.......

 

so Greedy employers - Nothing to do with the EU

Lying Labour - Nothing to do with the EU


and the EU did not "force" anyone, in fact the EU allowed countries to take advantage of an migration/free movement opt out when membership expanded

many countries did, but not us - but lets blame the EU anyway

what a fantasy world you live in

 

I'm pretty sure he enjoys pulling everybody's collective chain

 

Sigh...so when Romania, Bulgaria etc were threatened with having immigrants from THEIR countries limited entry to the UK, the EU didn't get involved and tell us we couldn't now do that as we had already let in the Eastern European scum that came first? And they didn't threaten us with the ECHR if we went ahead and limited them? And fines? They didn't threaten fines? All because under EU rules, we aren't now allowed to treat citizens of one country differently to how we treat/treated others. EU RULES..what part of that are YOU not getting, dumbass?

 

Tell you what lads, (for that is what you are), I've withdrawn from this thread once and am going to do so again now.

I'm just going round in circles with you, and 99% of your arguments are like the Fast Show Politician...Martin 2005 knows him well.

NO-ONE KNOWS what is actually going to happen.

But you remoaners just go on and on and on moaning...no wonder the Aussies refer to UK southerners as Whinging Poms.

Why not embrace what has happened, sit down and make it work, for you, for others, for our kids. Instead of wanting to go back to a status quo that wasn't what the MAJORITY wanted?

WE agitated and got change. You lot want to sit around moaning, spouting vitriol, whining, telling lies, winding folk up, etc and yet you, your surveys, your politicians have actually NO IDEA what is going to happen. You are simply afraid of change, of upsetting your easy, wealthy lives. The world is changing. The lying liberals and the lying left have had their day, made their own bed and must now lie in it.

Bye now. XXXX

 

What id like to know , is when and what will mark a SUCCESFUL conclusion to the whole sorry saga as far as a diehard or even slightly less than diehard brexiter

 

So long Alcazar !

least he left xxxx's

 

I get the feeling ( but maybe I'm completely wrong ) average brexiter isn't really that happy with immigration from anywhere not just Eu

 

lol,