ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I'm still not so sure Trump is going to give us such a good deal, after all he is a business man and a patriot, but I suppose it's nice to be at the front of the line and will no doubt shake the EU if we do in fact get a good deal.

I've taken a bit of a hit on the fall in the pound over the past few months but it seems to be coming back a little bit at the moment, against the Kuna anyway.

I've also sorted out my permanent residency in the past few weeks, just by way of getting in ahead of the crowd and any triggering of article 50, so I'm a happy man, they can do what they like now.

Waits for the comments from Mr 'A' about me being an I'm alright jack FEE.

hodgy0_2

yes, I would be wary of celebrating a Trump endorsement

his new Business secretary Wilbur Ross, acknowledged (post EU vote) that it was a "God-given opportunity" for foreign business to take business away from the UK

"I recommend that Cyprus should adopt and immediately announce even more liberal financial service policies than it already has so that it can try to take advantage of the inevitable relocations that will occur during the period of confusion," he is quoted as saying.

He is said to have added that the UK's withdrawal from the EU was a "God-given opportunity" for financial rivals of the City of London, naming Frankfurt and Dublin in particular"


but a trade deal with the US will be interesting - it would be quite hard for our Farmers to compete with the massive US agro industry

in addition presumably we would have to accept their meat / food products - which are pumped full of cra4p that is banned in the EU

jonc

Trump's economic strategy is basically to penalise foreign manufactures with a hike in tariffs and prevent native companies from investing in foreign countries. His administration will inherit a national debt of nearly $20tn and he wants to stifle foreign investment into the US and alienate the US from the rest of the world. So the likely outlook is that any deal that the UK can negotiate will weigh heavily in the US's favour. It'll probably be negotiated via Twitter.

dpb

i cant imagine what trumps hairdo is going to look like in couple years time from the frustration not getting exactly his own way

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Yep and he has the backing of the people too... fiercely nationalistic nation the yanks.

Ring any bells over here.

dpb

( if some redneck crazy hasn't offed him before then )

jonc

I think Clinton won more votes (hundreds of thousands more) than Trump, but due to the electoral college system, Trump won more states, he got in instead.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Yes I realise that, but I think his popularity will increase, as having many,many relatives in the states and having been there quite a few times, I can confirm the red neck mentality is alive and well over there, even in my relatives of African origin, who are by the way all quite well educated, and the Italian origin ones on my wife's side (her brother married yank) are even worse and they essentially work in the US stock market, so not you average shoot em up cowboy type.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

I cringed when Gove, all childlike, interjected expectantly with, "To the front of the queue?"

JackClark

I cringe whenever that **** opens his mouth, but that was spectacular and he got a very The Donald response.

hodgy0_2

the chuckle brothers




to me - to you

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Cranks. The lot of 'em.

BMWhere?

So, hard brexit it is!

Not sure about Little Britain, this is probably the start of Little America! Wave goodbye to the NHS and your workers rights

dpb

But we're free to export masses to China, with no tariff ,.LOL

Brexiteers will be ecstatic

Dingdongler

Now I'm not saying all is rosy by any stretch but the IMF have just increased their UK growth predictions for 2017 and 2018.

I'm a glass half full kind of guy

hodgy0_2

whats the source for that

I have IMF forecast increased for 2017, but decreased for 2108

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rade-us-europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7529536.html

"Brexit latest: IMF upgrades 2017 UK growth but downgrades 2018


Fund projects 2017 growth for Britain of 1.5 per cent, up from 1.1 per cent, but forecast in 2018 is slashed to 1.4 per cent, down from 1.7 per cent"

forecasters have just got the inflation figures wrong - so I don't put much faith in any of them tbh

a hard brexit was the only option really - the Boris Johnson et al have your cake and eat was always delusional nonsense

interesting times ahead

JTaylor

Britain hasn't chosen hard Brexit, it's been imposed upon us. And Johnson and his mates knew it would be, they were just buying time.

hodgy0_2

Paul Nuttall was on the radio this morning still spouting b0ll0x about doing trade deals with Germany / France etc

they still don't have a fvcking clue

JTaylor

How sweet. But then I guess that given you're complicit in this farce you have little choice. It seems unlikely that you'd have the minerals to admit you voted for an omni-shambles.

JTaylor

Do you think they actually believe it, Hodgy? I think he and they are just stalling.

trails

iTrader: (41)

I have to change channels; he is a horrible little turd.

BMWhere?

In other (related) news, Apple have announced today they are increasing prices in the app store by 25% due to the weak £!

This is the biggest problem with Brexit as there was never an agreed alternative that people voted for!

In New Zealand last year, they had a referendum to change their flag. Actually, they had two referendums; the first one was to select an alternative flag from a shortlist of 5 designs and the second referendum was to keep the flag or accept the new (most popular) design! They chose to keep the original flag!

Brexit should have been done the same way; first a referendum on what Brexit would actually mean and then give people a choice to remain or accept a defined Brexit which is aggreed as the best alternative!

Theresa May is now boldly claiming that the country is now coming together in unity about Brexit, but in reality, the delusional unelected dictator is creating an even bigger divide!

dpb

Outers/ nutter et all are counting on the implicit understanding that eu will collapse - and therefore they have to give us a good deal

as far as I can see

hodgy0_2

yes, I think some of them do - irrespective of the facts, they have a sort of maniacal belief in what they do - unshakable and unapologetic

take IDS - he should be hauled up before a court, he presided over a "work assessment" policy that killed people - not spouting 7 shades of **** about the EU on the radio

just google

"ids atos deaths" - an utter scandal

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Problem is... I think the ruling classes don't give a t0$$ really as it won't matter to the likes of May, Johnson etc as long as they give the appearance of trying to do something about getting us good deals, then when they don't, they'll just blame the EU... as usual. They all have money, investments etc and they'll just move them around... of course with the benefit of inside knowledge before any of said information becomes public.

As mentioned before, it's the likes of the majority of working folks that will pay the real price/ foot the bill.

I don't see it hitting hard immediately, but more over a 5 to 10yr period before things settle back down, batten the hatches and hold on tight, because after the 5yr mark... there's a storm coming. and maybe even a vote to re-join.

Just remember where you heard it first.

Dingdongler

Sorry my mistake, its upgraded for 2017 but not 2018. The language used in your bolded quote is interesting though. When the forecast is increased from 1.1 % to 1.5 % its just described as up, when it is downgraded from 1.7% to 1.4% it is described as 'slashed'

Dingdongler

I sense a lot of anger.

BMWhere?

The only way we can compete globally, without the economic protection the EU offers, is to be cheap! At the moment, our labour costs are way too high to compete against the likes of China! To compete with China, we need the workers rights and pay and conditions of China! Time to sends the kids to the pits or the mill to earn their keep! Welcome to 19th.... sorry 21st century Britain!

JTaylor

I'm not being vitriolic because your opinion differs to mine, it was the stupid "cup half-full" donkey dung that made my blood boil.

Well, at least you've not relinquished all your powers of reason.

hodgy0_2

yes, we have seen that with the recent furore over the NHS, blame people for using A&E, blame GP's, blame foreigners

yes - agreed you always have to be sceptical of all/any claims and wary of language

lets see where we are in 5 years time

obviously, as Ditchy has said, the one set of people who it won't really effect are the politicians

and we know they are pretty good at polishing a turd anyway