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Sorry my mistake, its upgraded for 2017 but not 2018. The language used in your bolded quote is interesting though. When the forecast is increased from 1.1 % to 1.5 % its just described as up, when it is downgraded from 1.7% to 1.4% it is described as 'slashed'
presumably you except the benefit of being outside the EU/Customs union is we do trade deals with other countries
a lot of people are talking up the US / Trump
lets not bother with all the food/agriculture (meat pumped with hormones, chicken bleached in chlorine) that would inevitably be part of any reciprocal deal
what about the US privatised healthcare industry (massive in the states btw) do you think access to our NHS will be on the table
do you think that will be part of any negotiations - they are a pretty big lobby group in the US
do you think they would want a part of the NHS pie
presumably you except the benefit of being outside the EU/Customs union is we do trade deals with other countries
a lot of people are talking up the US / Trump
lets not bother with all the food/agriculture (meat pumped with hormones, chicken bleached in chlorine) that would inevitably be part of any reciprocal deal
what about the US privatised healthcare industry (massive in the states btw) do you think access to our NHS will be on the table
do you think that will be part of any negotiations - they are a pretty big lobby group in the US
do you think they would want a part of the NHS pie
what should the UK's response be
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Privatisation isn't officially on the cards even though many (including myself) believe that it probably is. But what would stop a US company bidding for such a contract right now? And how would giving a US company a NHS contract differ from us giving them to Virgin? (which we have already done btw)
I'm not sure I quite understand the question. Privatisation isn't officially on the cards even though many (including myself) believe that it probably is. But what would stop a US company bidding for such a contract right now? And how would giving a US company a NHS contract differ from us giving them to Virgin? (which we have already done btw)
sure contracts are given, I suspect the US health providers would seek to widen and deepen the terms of the contracts
that is what a free trade agreement does, after all the US can trade with us, as we can trade which every single country on the planet
the question is on what terms
I would suggest the terms they would want would be deleterious to the future of the NHS
As I said in an earlier post - I see a direct line between Brexit and the breakup of the NHS
Especially as May threatened in her speech to create an economy based on the UK becoming a tax haven
Good for London house prices - but not really a model that would provide much north of Birmingham or west of Bristol
The only way we can compete globally, without the economic protection the EU offers, is to be cheap! At the moment, our labour costs are way too high to compete against the likes of China! To compete with China, we need the workers rights and pay and conditions of China! Time to sends the kids to the pits or the mill to earn their keep! Welcome to 19th.... sorry 21st century Britain!
i think its pretty obvious our 'in' to get reasonable terms will include giving lots more infrastructure contracts to india /china/africa , along with granting lots 100 thousands student / work visas to their inhabitants
I don't see problem here , they've endless supplies of much more qualified and able candidates than indigenous
maybe they'll be able teach locals english
( not sure its what your average brexiteer wanted mind you)
i think its pretty obvious our 'in' to get reasonable terms will include giving lots more infrastructure contracts to india /china/africa , along with granting lots 100 thousands student / work visas to their inhabitants
I don't see problem here , they've endless supplies of much more qualified and able candidates than indigenous
maybe they'll be able teach locals english
( not sure its what your average brexiteer wanted mind you)
I know from personal experience that they also have almost as extensive supplies of utterly clueless, rude, and linguistically challenged people in their IT sector. Still, there has to be a flip-side to every coin.
I know from personal experience that they also have almost as extensive supplies of utterly clueless, rude, and linguistically challenged people in their IT sector. Still, there has to be a flip-side to every coin.
if you read the letters from business owners who went on the recent India trade trip
they said, almost exclusively, that the India want two things
1. to sell us stuff - (they have little interest in buying from us, maybe whisky and laura Ashley i.e. a few high end bits and bobs)
2. Free movement
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what is the view in Germany, in the press, your work colleagues
Basically, that the British are completely crazy for voting for populist politics over common sense! For most Germans, the idea of leaving the EU is inconcievable, particularly a country like the UK who has benefitted greatly from membership - they are very much aware of the benefits of EU membership!
Saying that, they are also not totally surprised that the UK is leaving as the UK has never really been seen as being totally committed to EU membership. They also find it quite fascinating that the British press is alowed to print such untruth - or perhaps more that the British public allow it! The German press is strictly regulated about printing the truth - they had an unfortunate incident some time ago when the press was alowed to tell lies!
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
And that's the crux of it... which to be fair, is totally understandable. The UK and more importantly the Brexiters were/are totally deluded in thinking otherwise... I mean seriously, I can't think what it is we have to offer that's going to get the UK this fabled good deal, sure we are a reasonably well sized market... but only if we're doing good will we be consuming significant quantities of goods... bad times equal low consumer confidence and poor sales.
Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
Last edited by ditchmyster; 19 January 2017 at 04:10 AM.
I doubt it, he'll probably have to sell his French bolt hole and maybe even his gaff in sunny scunny by the time we're out of the EU.
My mrs step mom passed away over the weekend, between her care and my father in laws care before his death and subsequent funeral expenses... there's nothing left from a few sensible investments and a very nice 4 bed detached in a desirable area, which also included a head mistresses and accountants pensions combined into the pot... soon get's sucked up at £700 a week each.
Basically, that the British are completely crazy for voting for populist politics over common sense! For most Germans, the idea of leaving the EU is inconcievable, particularly a country like the UK who has benefitted greatly from membership - they are very much aware of the benefits of EU membership!
Saying that, they are also not totally surprised that the UK is leaving as the UK has never really been seen as being totally committed to EU membership. They also find it quite fascinating that the British press is alowed to print such untruth - or perhaps more that the British public allow it! The German press is strictly regulated about printing the truth - they had an unfortunate incident some time ago when the press was alowed to tell lies!
The general feeling now, is that the UK cannot be given a deal that would make leaving attractive to other countries. Its not that they want to punnish the UK, they just want to protect the EU.
yep - I agree, the UK have been told such rubbish about the EU for the last 40 years, most are still trying to get over the fact that the recent referendum in Italy was not about the EU - contrary to what they had been told - bless
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
And that's the crux of it... which to be fair, is totally understandable. The UK and more importantly the Brexiters were/are totally deluded in thinking otherwise... I mean seriously, I can't think what it is we have to offer that's going to get the UK this fabled good deal, sure we are a reasonably well sized market... but only if we're doing good will we be consuming significant quantities of goods... bad times equal low consumer confidence and poor sales.
Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
agree 100%, the delusion I heat from the brixiteers is simply astonishing
anyway what is absolutely certain is that when we don't get a better deal that we have
The EU will inevitably get the blame - and sadly quite a few people will buy that hook line and sinker too
even though they were repeatedly told this would be the case
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 19 January 2017 at 08:01 AM.
Simple fact is... we as a nation are not the force we once were, people need to get that into their heads.
Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
We have never been a great independent nation ffs, we got great by exploiting other nations and that isn't going to happen again any time soon. NOBODY is independent in the 21st century, everybody relies on somebody...your attitude is delusional not positive
We have never been a great independent nation ffs, we got great by exploiting other nations and that isn't going to happen again any time soon. NOBODY is independent in the 21st century, everybody relies on somebody...your attitude is delusional not positive
lol, they all live in the past - Johnson is still using war time rhetoric
delusional
and even more delusional because it seems to have escaped them, but the UK doesn't own anything anymore
we have sold most of it off (as I have pointed out before)
most of our infrastructure is owned by foreign state owned companies - from Ports, to energy production, to transport, to the car industry, to steel production to...... the list is extensive and endless
"The British are giving up on owning things. For a generation there has been an extraordinary selling-off of public and private assets to all comers. It is not just the privatisation of former public assets, with the government last week congratulating itself on the sale of its stake in Eurostar for £750m – the latest mindless cashing in of a key public asset.
This is matched by the private sale of companies – cumulatively £440bn sold abroad over the last 10 years alone. The average Briton will now work, drink, travel, eat, drive, and use energy from assets and services supplied by foreign owners more than ever before "
That bus you boarded at Trafalgar Square is run by a German company. Boots fell to the Italians in 2007. Selfridges, Fortnum & Mason and the Savoy are owned by Canadians; Harrods has been bought by a firm based in Qatar; the Dorchester by one based in Brunei. As for our airports, most of them are now run by a Spanish firm.
Maybe a tourist wouldn’t care all that much, even if he knew. But should we? After all, does it make any real difference if a British company has a foreign master?
For the past three decades, the UK has had a completely relaxed attitude about selling off its assets to companies based abroad. Indeed, most of the time, the swallowing up of yet another great British institution barely makes a headline.
Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Lol, I see you've already been set straight
FYI... I'm the most positive person I know I'm also a realist, believing isn't going to make it happen, much like the 2nd coming... it's going to be a long wait.
Pleas tell me what it is... beyond faith that's going to make Britain great again, seriously I'd really like to know.
Jesus fuffing Christ, cheer up. Who is to say we can't be a great independent nation once again. Absolutely nothing if people believe it and work hard to achieve it.
Such negative attitudes like this must make your life a depressing place to be. Thank goodness there seems to be more positive people out there than not
Just be thankful the miserable doom and gloom merchants on here aren't responsible for sorting out the country as the inevitable problems arise. You wouldn't want them anywhere near, spreading their negativity and dragging others down with them.
17 January 2017, 05:35 PM
