andy97

iTrader: (1)

Please explain where you propose to house/educate/provide health care? It is accepted that there is a massive housing shortage, even before we take into account imigration. Schools are at maximum capacity, again before you factor in 330,000 extra people, some with families. NHS, surgeries can't cope with numbers.

Are you suggesting the UK constantly keeps accepting this level of people?

Lets mention the less publicised fact that many of the eastern/southern European countries are suffering huge loss of youth. Which will lead into further economic misery increasing funding/propping up from wealthier EU countries. There has to be a balance.

I am doing very well out of migration, it's not sustainable though

The Trooper 1815

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There is a huge number of empty properties that could be renovated, which would make jobs, produce a need and provide housing.

andy97

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So that goes some way, but by no means covers the needs to house UK citizens, mainly ftb. Now what about the 330000 immigrants?

Geezer

Depending on whose figures you look at, there are between 400,000 and a million empty residential properties in the UK, that's more than enough, I'd say!

andy97

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So that only covers a couple of years. What about the rest of the time? You do realise that a city the size of Coventry needs to be built each year and every year until immigration is got under control. That is roughly 100km square built on the side of your town or city. This is only to cope with immigrants, not including UK‘s population growth. You have not given a viable sustainable solution for the housing. Schools and health care hasn't been discussed yet. There has been only a handful (in relative terms to numbers arriving) of schools built across the UK

It is unsustainable and radical steps need to be faced up to . Brexit is the first of those steps

dpb

Is being out the single market/paying for access more sustainable?

andy97

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Stay on point

dpb

I was !

Martin2005

Given the aging population, it is entirely necessary. It's a happy fact that we're just not dying at the rate we used to. This is the primary issue, not immigration.
You'd have to be economically iliterate not to understand this.

dpb

We don't need them as much as Say , Germany

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...roid-orange-gb

hodgy0_2

from what I understand - the theory is old people will be required to pick the fruit and veg

ditchmyster

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Yep, the people that voted out just don't seem to get it, the uk needs people that are willing to work and have their own children that are also willing to work.

As the population ages and the sewer rats and leaches of society have more children than those who contribute something the situation is only going to get worse.

Glad I voted with my feet and hopefully will leave enough behind so that my boy can get off the rat infested sinking pile of **** called Britain.

I seriously don't envy those who will be living there in 20/30yrs.

Geezer

You haven't answered my question as to why yo think the govt is going to control immigration by leaving the EU when they clearly cannot control immigration from outside of the EU, which they have total control of?

As for the other question, that is an issue the UK govt, it will not be solved by leaving the EU, and as the UK population grows in the decades to come, increases of 330,00 a year may well just come from the natural growth. That is still an issue for us, as we have insufficient plans or process in place. Not really an EU problem, is it?

I suppose uou could even argue we could ask for money from the EU to help build that infrastructure Only if we are in the EU, of course.......

alcazar

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This again.

A quick trip to the ONS shows a graph which proves that while people ARE living longer, it's only by 4 years or so at the moment, whereas the lower quartile age has upped buy well over 6 years...more migrants and more children.
And has everyone forgotten that VAST numbers of pensioners pay income tax, as well as whole swathes of other taxes from VAT to insurance? They are NOT simply there to be supported. AND they paid into the system big time over their working lives in order to be able to get something back...it's NOT a benefit, it's a right...they paid for it.

I note that all the pro-migrant respondees above mentioned housing, to which they think there is a solution, albeit a VERY expensive one, but none have responded in any way about the pressures on schools, health, the infrastructure etc etc.

Have at it you pro-migrants, please.

alcazar

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You need to stop quoting the Mail and the Express, buddy.

JTaylor

I think your idea of what Britain is has been forged by being brought up in the slums. I can trace my British roots back 700 years and object to you, the son of an immigrant, saying what you say. You're basically a gypsy.

dpb

I believe the only answer, now, would be to raid the faridge coffers

He must be good for it now he's in the trump employ

dpb

And you and I essentially an overseer

Geezer

As are immigrants, what's your point?

hodgy0_2

good luck with that

Geezer

indeed

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

You just don't get it do you?

Obtuse, or plain daft, I dunno. But here, in simple terms is "my point".

1. Pensioners have paid in all their lives, they continue to pay taxes so supporting the system, during their all too often brief pension life.

They probably had children who CONTINUE to pay into the system. Maybe even grandchildren, ditto. But NOT all at once.

2. Migrants come over here, work for next to nowt, often on the black (no taxes), and often living ten or more to a house...no council taxes.
Their children clog up our schools, they themselves clog up the health service and they clog up the infrastructure. This country CANNOT support a city bigger than Cardiff arriving every year. Not enough housing, school places, doctors, hospitals, dentists and above all SPACE!

A quick visit to ONS will show that the idea that it's an ageing population as the problem is just wrong. the younger population is growing faster than the old, and it's NOT down to more live births.

Still, IAJFEE rules as it always does.....if it doesn't affect YOU, fek the others and how they are affected. Why should YOU care, YOUR ideology is sound...isn't it?

alcazar

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Understanding it...aye, all of you.

Caring, since it doesn't affect you? yep, same.

IAJFEE eh?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

brek ek ek ek, coax, coax.......

dpb

i guess we have different class migrant round these parts , I don't know any that avoid taxes /sleep 10 to room.

neil-h

Oooh ooooh, IAJFEE is back (and still not understanding the irony that one of those E's is for everybody).

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Sorry wrong again, don't read either, never have, that said I did used to read the Sun back in the day, purely for entertainment value, I'm more of a radio 4 kind of a guy, The archers and the odd play, also used to like some of the discussions they had, but to be fair I don't bother with any of it these days as it's mostly not my problem anymore.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Not sure what's going on with you, in the past week or so you seem to be spoiling for a fight, have you slipped off your perch or maybe the wagon

I wouldn't quite call ALL of my upbringing being in the 'slums' we managed to drag our asses out when I was around 15 but that said BOTH my parents worked, mum nurse and dad was a miner for the most part, it was more to do with the fact that my old man was black, which is why they struggled to find accommodation in the nicer areas, you probably won't know much about the signs in peoples windows that said, " No blacks, Irish or dogs" so yeah my parents options were limited despite my mother being theatre and mental health trained nurse when I was a child.

As for the gypsy part, my mother traced her roots a few years back, which is quite easy for her as her maiden name is quite rare and VERY old English and my father is a DIRECT descendant of AFRICA so we go back to the beginning of mankind.

I think it was the white folks that had to leave the garden of eden and wander the waste lands

So my gypsy friend, glass houses and stones spring to mind.

JTaylor

I took umbrage with the comment above and reacted. I ought not have and regret what I posted. All I ask is that you consider what you write about my homeland.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Well it's my homeland too but it's gone to the dogs in my lifetime unfortunately, in my opinion that's down to the ruling class, ie the middle class politicians that have screwed it for as much as they can with little regard for anything or one but their own bank balances.

Since this situation is beyond my control I did various things that were within my control to reduce the effects on me and mine, after all in a society where everyone else only looks out for themselves and those charged with looking after us do the same what is one to do but serve ones best interests.

If my seeing the UK for what it has become offends you then I really don't know what to tell you beyond maybe take off the rose tinted spectacles and have a peek from the perspective of the less fortunate.