andy97

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Doesn't stop the Eu pushing ahead with plans, only for there to be an almighty big argument/fallout when country/countries don't want it.

David Lock

Like Eire and NI


Just can't believe they agreed to this temporary con


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dpb

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp


Canada plus plus plus ..!!

dpb

I can only suppose Davis must know Something of what hes talking about !

David Lock

The only chap who talks any sense is Tony Blair but don't take that to mean I am a fan of his.


dl

hodgy0_2

yes David Davis is talking nonsense, it will be at best Canada +

the delusion that we can cherry-pick the best bits of all the EU trade deals (Canada, Japan South Korea et al) and amalgamate them into a "spescal" deal, is simply fantasy fuelled claptrap

and the utter nonsense and frankly bizarre belief that we wont pay if we don't get a deal - omg this really is fantasy land stuff - as Phil Hammond has admitted, we will pay

do Brexidiots really believe all this b0ll0x, just how thick do you have to be to believe anything David Davis actually says

he said he had done 58 impact assessment "in excruciating detail" - then on the Marr show this morning he just bull****ted like a 5 year old caught ****ting on the toilet seat - but Brexidiots must buy it hook line and sinker - amazing

and how thick do you have to be to still believe BMW are going to ride to the rescue!!!! - it was all the rage on the original EU referendum thread !!!!!!!!

the recent statement has simply kicked the can down the road a bit - It has been worded so that each faction can see what the want to see, I suspect that the EU simply could not face an election/more turmoil from the UK if they played hardball at this stage,

in any case they pretty much got what they wanted tbh their patience must be wearing thin

what will be interesting is when they tell the UK that any transition period will be full acceptance of the "acquis communautaire" (payments & FOM etc) but with no MEP's no ECJ judges etc etc

essentially "pay but no say", how ironic

Brexit will be a very costly exercise in getting a ****tier deal than we already had

I suspect the calculation of the Brexiteers is that Brexidiots are too thick to actually notice, the reduction in immigration will simply be because the UK is a basket case

Tidgy

you do realise if you stoped hurling abuse and name calling you might come across a bit less as a sore looser?

dpb

I guess if it directly concerned you , you would take it personal

Tidgy

most of the stuff being argued about is bickering about different opinions, seems to be people can't accept others are allowed different opinions.

alcazar

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Nah...it's the ladies meeting discussing their monthlys pains again. Agreement 100% how awful it all is

Mr Fuji

Aw, upset your Wrexit is falling apart? It's growing more and more likely we will remain in the EU in all but name.

Still, we'll be in control.....

Oh sorry we won't.

David Lock

Do we have a right to pull out of the whole process? This was asked a while back and there were differing views. David

Tidgy

of course we have a right to, however it was voted on and the decision was made to leave by the majority.

Mr Fuji

There is nothing in the leaving process which says we have to leave once triggered.

Mr Fuji

Yes, but seeing as no one knew how the post exit situation would be, there should always have been a provision to allow a vote on what it turned out like was acceptable.

With current debacle unfolding as it is, it would be interesting to see what the result would be.

Tidgy

while i agree there was a lack of knowledge and alot of spin from both sides, it's irrelevant. the vote was made and a majority spoke. You can't change it just because you in the minority don't like the outcome.

alcazar

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Sniggers. Wrong again, and STILL in denial.

We is going. LOL

Mr Fuji

Well, I don't necessarily wish to start overturning majority votes as that is undemocratic. However, this is not like our parliamentary elections is it? It's not like we undo it in 5 years because we do not like it. I accept outcomes of elections, but I do not have to like it, nor keep quiet about it. Some people have moaned about being in the EU since 1973, why shouldn't I air my views?

It is perfectly reasonable on something this major to have confirmation at more than one stage.

Imagine if someone said to you " I can guarantee to lose you 25lbs in weight" and you signed up for that without asking how they would achieve it, and they said "I'm going to cut your leg off".

The ramifications for the UK are quite possibly very serious,don't you think that something which may prove very tough for us should not be given our approval? If the deal is **** and the population vote for it then so be it, but forcing them to accept a **** deal with no say is not the way forward, wouldn't you agree?

madscoob

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in 1973 it was the eec all about trade deals etc not the undemocratic gestapo bully boy wanna be federal state it is now,

Mr Fuji

It's still all about trade deals, which is the whole point

If you think the EU is any way like the gestapo, then there really is no hope!

As for democracy, no country on Earth has democracy, so I'm not really sure why people get so hung about it.

Mr Fuji

You're so thick you cannot even understand what I have written. I suppose education was in thin supply when you were young

madscoob

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to be fair they are all making it as complicated as poss to keep themselves in jobs, trade deals or no trade deals british companies will still deal with companies all over the world, the trade deals are only relavent if you are talking about oil gas arms etc, any one who thinks some little unelected brussels bellend should be able to overrule a british court needs thier head read, they have done next to **** all to help us as a country in fact they have given millions to former british companies to move over to europe, to name a few, ROOTS GROUP £80 MILLION, SMC £UN KNOWN FAFNER£UNKNOWN the list go's on and on

dpb

Rootes ?

made a few peugeot dint they

David Lock

But it wasn't really a vote was it because no one knew what they were voting for? And it's stupid to argue that they did.


See also
What if we have a change of heart and want to join up again?

We are certainly allowed to do that if we want. But we would have to start from scratch and apply all over again. Britain would be treated no differently to any other state wanting to become an EU member. It would be as if we were applying for the first time - there is no special procedure for rejoining and no special route back for previous members. Prime Minister David Cameron has said there would be no way back.




Or forget it and buy a new spade for May and Davis so that they can dig an even bigger hole for UK's future.


dl

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I knew what I was voting for. Its a flaccid argument by remainers. You make choices and live with them. There is no going back, either the UK gets a good deal or we're having WTO. The EU will not offer a better deal to rejoin than we had. The UK has a golden opportunity to get out there.

dpb

Have we left yet ?


i think the golden opportunity outlook can only be really be leveraged if you believe its EU v Rest of the world , and that EU is in imminent collapse

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

I don't understand this. What did you vote for, in regard to the main issues - Irish border, divorce bill, rights of EU citizens here and ours there, customs union, single market access, security? Is what you want for the country and yourself the same as what other leavers want? I'm sure all leavers have their own wish lists, but where is the consensus on what we are aiming for? What's the plan?
The referendum was an over-simplified choice, leave or remain. In Rumsfeld-speak, it was a choice between a known known, or a known unknown. Turns out there's a lot of unknown unknowns.

markjmd

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The biggest unknown of all of course is who will the Brexitw@ts blame for the country's many and various ills once we're finally out of the EU, and they can no longer finger J-P Juncker or whoever else for them

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL, I'm probably educated to a far higher level than you, boy...and at least I am not a ****!

See what I did there? What you give, ****, you get back.

Tidgy

It was a one time vote, that was perfectly clear at the time.