So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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In your opinion. Others will argue differently
Exactly, you can also flip the argument and see the terrible consequences in not changing things, avoiding risks and just keeping things as they area
Exactly, you can also flip the argument and see the terrible consequences in not changing things, avoiding risks and just keeping things as they area
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Why can’t the rest of the UK have our cake and eat it
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9195776.html
A superb advert for voting lib dem
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9195776.html
A superb advert for voting lib dem
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Why can’t the rest of the UK have our cake and eat it
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9195776.html
A superb advert for voting lib dem
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9195776.html
A superb advert for voting lib dem
I have mostly tried to resist labelling them as dumb motherf*ckers, but if it looks like cheese, smells like cheese and tastes like cheese there can be only one logical conclusion. <shrugs shouldes>.
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I'd love a Hanko with a Steel Flame Clip but I can't afford the £500 EU Import tax. The EU think I should be buying American made and sold Hanko's from within the EU. They think the USA will sell it cheaper so they'll add £500 onto the purchase price to encourage me to buy this USA made and sold Hanko from France or Germany etc. I wish the USA would join the EU.
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I've no idea what a Hanko or Steel Flame Clip are, I'm guessing they are not hugely popular products if your only choices are to buy direct from the US or via French/German importers!
An importer in the EU will still have to pay the same rate of import duty as you when importing the product from the US. If the EU importer is not getting a significant discount (if any) from the manufacturer, then after they have added their own profit margin, it may well be more expensive than for you to import directly from the US.
When we leave the EU, then tariffs will still be applicable, but the tariff will be set by the UK rather than the EU. If you then buy from the EU importer, then they will still be paying the EU tariffs on their import from the US, but you will now also have to pay the UK import tariffs from the EU. It's true the UK can set its own tariffs which it can't currently do, but that means it could both reduce or increase any import tariffs.
While the UK is likely to reduce many tariffs after[/if] we leave, it is also likely to increase many other tariffs to balance the books. Most likely tariffs will be reduced, maybe even to zero, on essential imports such as food, it will also likely significantly increase tariffs on non-essential goods! My guess is a Hanko with Steel Flame Clip would fall into the non-essential category and your tariffs are only likely to increase post Brexit! Plus, with a weakened pound, it's going to cost your more anyway!
You should have bought your Hanko before the referendum when the pound was really strong, both the price you pay and therefore the tariffs would have been less!
An importer in the EU will still have to pay the same rate of import duty as you when importing the product from the US. If the EU importer is not getting a significant discount (if any) from the manufacturer, then after they have added their own profit margin, it may well be more expensive than for you to import directly from the US.
When we leave the EU, then tariffs will still be applicable, but the tariff will be set by the UK rather than the EU. If you then buy from the EU importer, then they will still be paying the EU tariffs on their import from the US, but you will now also have to pay the UK import tariffs from the EU. It's true the UK can set its own tariffs which it can't currently do, but that means it could both reduce or increase any import tariffs.
While the UK is likely to reduce many tariffs after[/if] we leave, it is also likely to increase many other tariffs to balance the books. Most likely tariffs will be reduced, maybe even to zero, on essential imports such as food, it will also likely significantly increase tariffs on non-essential goods! My guess is a Hanko with Steel Flame Clip would fall into the non-essential category and your tariffs are only likely to increase post Brexit! Plus, with a weakened pound, it's going to cost your more anyway!
You should have bought your Hanko before the referendum when the pound was really strong, both the price you pay and therefore the tariffs would have been less!
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50426569
This is something I really don't get and really annoys me about the whole EU debate.
Why the hell can't we just appoint a new commissioner, even if its only temporary. This will probably end up costing Britain a fortune and for what, so BJ can puff out his chest and say we're leaving deal or no deal! How absolutely, pathetically childish!
This is something I really don't get and really annoys me about the whole EU debate.
Why the hell can't we just appoint a new commissioner, even if its only temporary. This will probably end up costing Britain a fortune and for what, so BJ can puff out his chest and say we're leaving deal or no deal! How absolutely, pathetically childish!
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Seems like Brexit is gonna cost the UK some serious coin if this goes through.
https://news.sky.com/story/australia...anges-11861698
https://news.sky.com/story/australia...anges-11861698
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50426569
This is something I really don't get and really annoys me about the whole EU debate.
Why the hell can't we just appoint a new commissioner, even if its only temporary. This will probably end up costing Britain a fortune and for what, so BJ can puff out his chest and say we're leaving deal or no deal! How absolutely, pathetically childish!
This is something I really don't get and really annoys me about the whole EU debate.
Why the hell can't we just appoint a new commissioner, even if its only temporary. This will probably end up costing Britain a fortune and for what, so BJ can puff out his chest and say we're leaving deal or no deal! How absolutely, pathetically childish!
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So...
Trump says the NHS is off the table.
Johnson says NHS is off the table.
... The NHS is definitely on the table then!
Trump says the NHS is off the table.
Johnson says NHS is off the table.
... The NHS is definitely on the table then!
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We’re not being given the full picture on this from either side: We are consistently the worst developed country for cancer survival rates. When countries like the US have key importance in treatments, pharma and equipment in this sector. It would be arrogant to discount everything out of pure spite ‘cuz r NHS ain’t 4 sale’
FWIW this is hitting home now that I currently have four family members with cancer, two terminal, and lost a further four close friends and family to various cancers over the last five years. For me detection and treatment as of current is pretty grim.
FWIW this is hitting home now that I currently have four family members with cancer, two terminal, and lost a further four close friends and family to various cancers over the last five years. For me detection and treatment as of current is pretty grim.
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https://www.yourworldhealthcare.com/...k-vs-australia
now if youve got some stashed away you wouldnt bother to realise the facts
now if youve got some stashed away you wouldnt bother to realise the facts
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Facts? Struggled to google that didn’t you?
Horses mouth:
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...l#heading-Zero
Obligatory Guardian article (a pro NHS publication):
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-recent-surge
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ival-rates-nhs
Official acknowledgement: https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/uk-st...pite-advances/
Horses mouth:
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...l#heading-Zero
- Five-year relative survival for cancer in men is below the European average in England, Wales and Scotland.
- Five-year relative survival for cancer in women is below the European average in England, Wales and Scotland.
Obligatory Guardian article (a pro NHS publication):
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...e-recent-surge
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ival-rates-nhs
Official acknowledgement: https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/uk-st...pite-advances/
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The USA spends approx 17%* of its GDP on healthcare with roughly 30 million people with limited access,
France 11.2
Germany 11.2%
UK 9.8%
Yes, our NHS delivers a second-rate service, but it's doing pretty well on its third-rate funding.
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* source: statista, WorldBank
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You do not want an American style health insurance service. My mate in Colorado pays about 20 grand a year for insurance and has to pay the first 8k of any claim so basically unless he is having major surgery his insurance is useless. His 6yr old son cut his head in the summer and needed 3 stitches, this cost $300 and they had insurance.
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
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And Trump (funded by US 'Big Pharma') wants the NHS to stop insisting on low drug prices over here because "Americans are subsiding low drug prices in Europe".
In truth, US pharma are just charging what the rip-off US insurance companies will let them get away with.
My American friends who've had any involvement with the NHS think it's the greatest thing since sliced sourdough.
In truth, US pharma are just charging what the rip-off US insurance companies will let them get away with.
My American friends who've had any involvement with the NHS think it's the greatest thing since sliced sourdough.
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You do not want an American style health insurance service. My mate in Colorado pays about 20 grand a year for insurance and has to pay the first 8k of any claim so basically unless he is having major surgery his insurance is useless. His 6yr old son cut his head in the summer and needed 3 stitches, this cost $300 and they had insurance.
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
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You do not want an American style health insurance service. My mate in Colorado pays about 20 grand a year for insurance and has to pay the first 8k of any claim so basically unless he is having major surgery his insurance is useless. His 6yr old son cut his head in the summer and needed 3 stitches, this cost $300 and they had insurance.
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
American health insurance is not worth the paper it is written on and the cost of their drugs is horrendous.
Just take a look at the cost of this cream in the US.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/soolantra
I can get the same 45g tube in Germany for €5
Right, great example..here’s the rub...it’s no cheaper for the NHS:
https://bnf.nice.org.uk/medicinal-forms/ivermectin.html
The above drug costs the NHS and therefore UK tax payer £18.
Why is the likes of the NHS/NICE not getting it for €5 ???
One huge issue with the NHS is procurement costs, the left wing will argue that the NHS has a monopoly power to hammer down drug procurement prices, when actually, if the drug has no competing equivalent its the reverse. It either pays up or it doesn’t buy it at all...then in cases of mircacle/wonder drugs we have activists demanding the NHS to buy it in anyway effectively forcing it to pay full fee.
If the NHS procurement costs need to reduced our government needs to create a diaglogue to see if some policy or agreement can achieve a saving. But there will be a but...and that may mean offering something in return. That does not mean the NHS is up for sale...wake up, it was sold off down the sewers when the likes of PFi came in and milked it to its knees...I bet Carillion’s liquidators (pwc?) are still earning from those contracts whilst winding it up.
Fact of the matter is the current situation needs to change, how is a tricky one, but it’ll probably mean a more two tiered system requiring top-up fees for more expensive/specialist treatments. That could mean full insurance based or partly tax payer subsidised where the patient pays additional amounts, the latter I think will be unavoidable unless all procurement goes in-house (i.e the UK patents and makes its own drugs and equipment...pretty certain that boat has long since sailed).
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Oh bless the simplicity. Just throwing more money will not fix it: You are still getting ripped off by big pharma. Still funding PFI rip off contracts (80billion at last estimate). Still funding the training of doctors who then jump ship, still pouring money out in legal compensation costs (2.4 billion), managers, admin, bullying cultures, closed ranks, blame shifting. Meanwhile expecting more varied treatments more drugs, more hospitals, more medical staff, lower prescription charges, blah, blah as well as covering the shortfall of all those that have not worked or paid into the system for the treatment they want back out. You want that wonder drug? NICE says no because it costs too much.
Yeah yeah 30billion extra will cover it...nope, not even close..thats to cover the current shortfall to keep it as it is which is well behind the curve...If you want to fix it and improve it try 300billion....you paying?
Spending over recent year accounted to £2249 per person per year (2016) that accounted for about 4% GDP...it needs to be 8% to keep the status quo (kind of addressed now...ish), to improve it for future needs..it’s actually 10% so we’re talking about £6k out of your wages to cover it ON TOP of the tax already taken and ignoring inflation, that should then put us above Norway. Assuming good employment levels and enough working population paying in.
Alternatively, make it means tested and contribution orientated...working age workshy obese smoker? Oh no, that’d be too easy
#5668
So now we can see how Trump is going manipulate us. He knows we are leaving, we need a trade deal with them, they have struck Iran. Noises have already been made about 'our western and European allies need to step up', let's see what Boris has to agree to to get this wonderful trade deal.
Popcorn at the ready
Popcorn at the ready