Felix.

You can never tell with her - she might go on to support a no deal Brexit if she's elected. She supported the U turn in tuition fees and the pay cap on public sector pay.
So I think I would prefer to vote for the Marx Brothers if given the choice!

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

You really should stop smoking so much of that confiscated ganja from the evidence room, it'll turn your brain funny.

trails

iTrader: (41)

but aren’t you voting at a local level for the party best suited to your specific needs?

Felix.

I am - I merely answering a post by dpb

Felix.

And is any of this untrue?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

The fact that the leader of the Lib-Dems would ever support a No-Deal Brexit? Seriously?

trails

iTrader: (41)

If you were to compare the widely reported dishonest words from the three main party leaders, De Pfeffel has already won the world championship.

Felix.

Well Jo Swinson must be a very close second then.

trails

iTrader: (41)

Whataboutism...they all do that. It’s the nature of being a politician. I don’t think anyone is trying to canonise her, do you know what her husband does for a living?

Felix.

So, its the best of a bad bunch then

trails

iTrader: (41)

Hasn’t it always been that way?

Felix.

I'll go back then to choosing my local MP, basing it on local issues

dpb

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9188666.html

So hes not actually ever been Labour

what a twisted ****

BMWhere?

Don't expect anything to change then!

Felix.

Well, my current MP has done nothing during his tenure like he promised he would - so I'm not voting for them
He won't even reply to any emails I have sent over the years despite his newsletters asking for people to 'get in touch'
Most of his surgeries are cancelled at last minute.

So for me, its time for a change where we are - and most of the local community seem to agree

BMWhere?

You said he was Labour, what exactly can he do as an opposition MP other trying to stop the government inflicting more damage?
This is the fundamental flaw of FPTP voting system which usually delivers majority governments, the government can do what they want and opposition MPs have little to no influence in parliament.
Add to that, that the previous parliament has been so wrapped up in Brexit, very little else has been done. Add to that, the government is only focused on national issues, not local issues and the Tory austerity policy has caused much of the crime and poverty related issues seen on a local level. In the end, its up to local councils to address local issues, but with council budgets having been slashed under the Tories, its no wonder things seem to be getting worse!
If you want change, then you need to change the government, not necessarily your local MP. The idea that we need a local MP is anyway an outdated principle based on historic requirements where transport and communication channels were slow compared to today's world with high speed transport links and the internet! If we really want change, then we need a new election system and neither of the big parties want that because they will lose out. We need to end majority government where only the views of those who voted for the winning party are considered. We need to end the system where your vote is irrelevant unless you vote for the winning local MP and if you're in a safe seat it is pointless even registering to vote! If we want real, meaningful change, then we have to stop voting for the same two parties who have no real vested interest in changing anything! Vote Lib Dem, Green, Brexit, UKIP, SNP or Plaid, anything is better than the status quo of Labour and Conservative!
Ultimately, there is nothing wrong with EU membership, Brexit is not the change we are looking for. We want change, but the problems we have are our own unrepresentative system of government, Brexit is merely a distraction from the real issues closer to home!

trails

iTrader: (41)

Good measured post that

Human nature seems to always seek out the villain in the piece and the EU is a convenient scapegoat...

BMWhere?

The problems we really have in the UK are at a local level. The local council deflects responsibility onto the government and cuts to local financing. The government then shirks its responsibility onto previous governments and the EU. Then you get stupid ideas like leaving the EU will save £350M a week, which the public then says yeah, that should fix things around here! The reality is, your local community and every other local community in the UK all need that £350M a week alone for themselves, and the real figure we save from the EU is barely half that anyway. In reality, local councils won't see a penny of the money we save from the EU. The NHS is also unlikely to see any of it. More likely, and particularly under a Tory government, that money will go on tax cuts to corporations and the rich. If we really want to fix the local problems in the UK, we need to properly finance the local councils and the only way we can afford that, with or without Brexit, is to increase tax income, in particular for multinational corporations who drain the wealth out of the UK to off shore tax havens!

Felix.

I don't disagree with anything you say, but where money is available to spend it should be spent wisely.
If you have an MP a Council and a PCC that isn't doing that - then things need to change, particularly when they are all from the same political party
So here is our chance to start to change things

trails

iTrader: (41)

Every GE gives us that opportunity, but I'm unsure how leaving the EU does?

Felix.

Depends on which side of the fence you sit - a lot of people think its a good idea to leave and will vote accordingly

trails

iTrader: (41)

Sorry, I do not understand your response...I asked you how you think leaving the EU will make a difference to the way this country is run in comparison to a GE being held

Mr Fuji

Alot of people think the Earth is 6000 years old, doesn't make it right

BMWhere?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/05/eus-...of-brexit.html

This is the whole problem! Sure we can leave the EU, but what does it achieve that is any better?

Yes, we can take back control, but what are we going to do with that self control to improve anything?
Yes, we can make our own trade deals, but how are they going to be any better than the trade deals we already have with the EU?

There are lots of "we can do this" or "we can do that", but what exactly are we going to do and what are the projected benefits? BJ won't even do an impact assessment of his own deal, that doesn't sound like a good way to go about making the biggest decision the country has faced since we joined the EU 40 years ago!

3 years after the referendum, there is still no clear plan about the direction we really want to take and the benefits it will bring! Why should anyone just accept this? We must be crazy to blindly accept Brexit with no definite commitment to what Brexit actually means! 3 years of Tory failure to define Brexit, we are still no further than Brexit means Brexit!

Felix.

I think the differences have been explained during numerous previous post on the subject of leaving/remaining.
Comparing this to GE is that Brexit will be the main topic of discussion - but not the only one. This will therefore effect various people's vote on how important they view leaving, remaining - or they may have other issues both locally and nationally which may be of more importance to them.

Felix.

Indeed- and a lot of people think that the Apple logo is based on Alan Turin - doesn't make that right either

Felix.

That has all been discussed throughout this thread.
Some people think its a good idea, others don't. So to the public they went and the referendum came back as leave.

trails

iTrader: (41)

Thats reason to vote, NOT reasons why Brexit will make things better.

Your second point is not correct either though is it; anecdote, opinion and blind faith are all that have really been voiced from leave on this or any forum thread I've read.

trails

iTrader: (41)

But they have based those opinions on BS Felix...would you condone a course of action you knew was a mistake, just because people thought it was a good idea? Surely in your occupation you see the terrible consequences of poor risk management and decision making?

Felix.

These have been voiced throughout the thread by various different people. You might not agree, but those are the reasons why people have voted the way they have.

You can argue the same for remain - as no one knows what will happen in the future. Its all based on personal experience, opinion and faith on both sides.